Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1193 Spoilers Discussion

[Cozy Sofa]

@soupongo
Some are already jumping to conclusion when it comes to the Sommers fight, thinking that next chapter will be done, and others mainly Sanji fans thinking that Zoro's fight will finish before Sanji's.

This chapter at the end with Zoro vs Sommers was to showcase Zoro learning and also show us the readers that yes the heart is the weakness.

Sommers will most likely start to take Zoro seriously now and will hopefully counter him, we also need to see a full Zoro vs Sommers chapter fight.

And Zoro will not finish his fight before Sanji, that has never happened before and it never will.

Maybe Oda will have them defeat/kill Sommers and Killingham at the same time, if not that then Sanji's fight should conclude first and then Zoro's.

Doesn't seem like it today but in many arcs Zoro also gets a second or even third fight. So even if he finishes before Sanji that could just mean that he will have another moment later.

what do you mean Gaban?

Simply that Luffy should be dead or out of commission for one month. Neither Gaban, Rayleigh, Shanks or even Roger himself could take what Luffy took and keep going. His DF defies logic.

 

[Halyup]

The weakness is stupid, and it's kind of unbelievable that Roger's pirates never saw that metal heart. The Hks have also gone back to having "weakling" status.

Means loger pirates aren't strong enough
They're just great adventurers

 

[Halyup]

Harald allowed himself to be killed pointed to the heart used zero haki to shield himself this chapter is massive loki downscale
So many loki threads will be revived after the chapter drops @nik87 @Blazing Lion @Topi Jerami

Turn off his conqueror shield and point to the heart haha

 

[Topi Jerami]

The Janitor should also be another one shot neg diff, the thorns were invisible this chapter and got crushed all the same.

The Janitor retired the legendary navy with single stab
While so called Zoro's final enemy abandoning his good old castle, farm, and baboons after being attacked by fodder Marines
Let that sink in

 

[Halyup]

@soupongo
Some are already jumping to conclusion when it comes to the Sommers fight, thinking that next chapter will be done, and others mainly Sanji fans thinking that Zoro's fight will finish before Sanji's.

This chapter at the end with Zoro vs Sommers was to showcase Zoro learning and also show us the readers that yes the heart is the weakness.

Sommers will most likely start to take Zoro seriously now and will hopefully counter him, we also need to see a full Zoro vs Sommers chapter fight.

And Zoro will not finish his fight before Sanji, that has never happened before and it never will.

Maybe Oda will have them defeat/kill Sommers and Killingham at the same time, if not that then Sanji's fight should conclude first and then Zoro's.

Thing is if Zoro finishes Sommers fast means , Zoro is guaranteed another fight

 

[omegalul]

> first hit from loki removed the mark
> harald stops fighting and goes white eyed
> doesn't fight back vs loki at this point
> comes back to his senses and points to his heart

its over for the lowki boys

 

[Halyup]

Yes, giving Zoro abilities which can turn fights into neg diff is not exciting.
This is why I hope he never learns Joyboy/Shanks haki burst.
Path of Carnage is way more entertaining.


They worked so hard to dig their own graves...
...not even mad, it is amazing.

HK Harald & Domi Xebec still clears current Loki individually

 

[Zoinks52]

Upper echelons for me, approximately: all admirals (I don't discriminate), prime Rayleigh / Gaban / Garp / Dodger / Whitebeard / Xebec / Harald, Shanks, Mihawk, base Loki.

Laido is old news.

Respectable.

I wanta put FujiRyo up there but they currently don't have enough feats yet, hope that will change.

For Kaido I'm personally giving some benefit of doubt solely because he was the main mid saga villain and got some prominence in GV, that's about it though.

 

[Halyup]

Why is the Harald Loki mecha heart thing being treated as a new revelation lol

I thought the consensus (among people rating him high) was that he overwhelmed Harald long causing the latter to regain control so he could land the finishing blow? Which makes sense with the heart thing.

Don't really think this changes that, unless anyone was dumb enough to think he oneshotted Harald or something.

If Harald turn off his conquerors and point to the heart
That changes everything

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Harald allowed himself to be killed pointed to the heart used zero haki to shield himself this chapter is massive loki downscale
So many loki threads will be revived after the chapter drops @nik87 @Blazing Lion @Topi Jerami

At least I get a Big W. I said it the same chapter it happened, probably in the spoiler thread. Harald threw the fight.

Although I still have to say that Loki has far surpassed all of my expectations. No wonder Big Mom thought gaining Elbaf would put her/their alliance as #1 in the world. Loki, Dorry, Brogy + the rest are plenty of fire power. Loki himself is way beyond Big Mom so she would definitely need to play it smart around him.

 

[nik87]

Harald allowed himself to be killed pointed to the heart used zero haki to shield himself this chapter is massive loki downscale
So many loki threads will be revived after the chapter drops @nik87 @Blazing Lion @Topi Jerami

The worst enemy of hype riding bros is always their reading comprehension.

HK Harald & Domi Xebec still clears current Loki individually

Yes, DR Xebec is still the strongest character seen, closely followed by HK Harald.
Both are a result of multiple power sources combining, not solely the strength of one individual.

 

[D. Plant]

Did King recovered from his lost right wing?

He make his own face deform with pantyhose so that no one will recognize him.

 

[nik87]

Did King recovered from his lost right wing?

I think not, just Oda inconsistency but also its a cover request, doesnt really need to be correct wing-wise.

 

[Crow]

Yes, DR Xebec is still the strongest character seen in flashbacks, closely followed by HK Harald

Fify

 

[D. Plant]

I think not, just Oda inconsistency but also its a cover request, doesnt really need to be correct wing-wise.

Maybe..he isn't chained as well.

 

[AER15]

Am I missing something or there is nothing happening with Luffy's body, he's just losing Gear 5 and his wounds are reopening...

 

[Dark-Abel]

Zoro is neg diffing that guy not funny at all

Send him against imu

 

[Blahmigooo]

It’s literally the only other time a HK has undone Imus mind control. Both had their minds altered by Imu and had multiple personalities because of it.

Harald like Gunko brought themselves back somehow just like with the heart Oda hasn’t expanded on how but we know damage isn’t the answer as Gunko took literally none.

Why is the need to forced that Gunko and Harald are same case.
It doesn't even look close enough lol.
Since Gunko is awake now, we will know the answer.
And if mind controlled isn't a permanent thing for her and will not lose control again after few seconds.
Then it's not the same with Harald.
The reason for entire plot of Loki eating the DF and get Ragnir is to stop and beat HK Harald and to hype it's power.
Why bro refuse to see this part.


Receiving enough damage to cause factory reset for a moment is not the thing....
But randomly regaining sense that have nothing to do with the fight is more logical
Lmaooo Ok I'm done

 

[nik87]

Let him try again.

 

[HeroesNZ]

Gaban was trashing HK harald, saying that harald was only strong because of his regen which he did not know how to bypass the gimmick (destroy heart)

Lord have mercy... I've been saying this since that chapter dropped

People tried to clown me into believing HK Harald was actually the strongest when Gaban and Shanks were clearly more than capable of defeating him if he wasn't immortal as they incapacitated him twice. Man I've been a victim of gaslighting this entire arc.

The only problem was regen. Harald was an actual top-tier and not just that, an ancient giant with high AP/destructive capacity and now an immortal body. Gaban figured if he couldn't stop him here, Harald would continue wreaking havoc on the world and no one could stop him not because they were weaker 1v1, but because Harald would just keep regenerating.

So they bet on Loki. Now this part is stupid as hell because wdym their immortality is just a metal heart, probably in the same way Imu could turn his omen into steel bullets. Zoro struck the metal heart in this chapter but it seemed it wasn't enough AP to destroy it.

So, my conclusion is you need to either:
1) hit the metal heart with ACoC + high enough AP to destroy the heart, which is what Loki did to Harald. We can even see Harald pointing to his heart as he lowers all his defences to let Loki strike him.

2) Or, you just need to hit the heart with strong enough ACoC and Zoro is still practicing how to maintain that level of ACoC on his blade. The scanlations will help.

Of course, this becomes dumb as hell because wdym the Roger Pirates who gave the Holy Roppo the Team Rocket treatment time and time again never discovered this, despite 3 (4 incl. Oden) members being more than strong enough to destroy the heart of any one of those bums.

Ass writing from Oda icl.