Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1196 Spoilers Discussion

[Etzel Andergast]

Law doesnt love himself

 

[Sir Yasheen]

That's just headcanon. Vegapunk can't reupload his soul. He's gonna get a new body if he gets rebuilt. A clone or maybe not. No way to know because Oda just had to wrap up the Luffy promise being kept thingy

Vegapunk was actively studying the soul and its properties years ago.

It’s just going to be Stella.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Kuzan doesnt love himself

 

[Rumble]

I don't recall Sanji thinking Usopp is more important than himself when he saved him.
Is Sanji now going to stop valuing Nami over himself and let her get hurt going forward?

I've been very patient with you, so idk if you are trolling or just this stupid and need everything spelled out for you.

The point isn't that sacrificing yourself for others is inherently bad.

The point is that doing so because you think your life has inherently less value is deeply unhealthy and dangerous, like Gaban said.

 

[Devilbat]

@Devilbat
Imagine a backstory for Stussy where she's born right there in MADS's laboratory, growing up with them, and she ends up traumatized because of scumbags like Caesar Clown telling her when she was a kid that she wasn't human.

And then she's bartered off to the World Government to become one of the kids trained to be a Cipher Poll agent. Because of all that, she never saw herself as human, and Vegapunk could never manage to be a father figure either, due to his own flaws.

That would be so good

Yeah, even if VP was good to her, he's just a quirky scientist, who isn't necessary the best dad, as well-meaning as he could be.
We were robbed.
Stussy was reduced to nothing but a hot semi mysterious woman who suddenly went 180° when trying to rescue VP. Oh well this is what I get liking side characters, they never get fleshed out, even SHP don't always get the focus they deserve and kind become side characters in their own story.

 

[rohithkun]

Then oda should have focused on this.

Oda should have stated that Sanji can't use coc because he is not accepting himself which is VINSMOKE.

He literally asked zoro to kill him in wano if his personality changes to that of his brothers whom were VINSMOKE

HE LITERALLY TOLD LAW HE HATES THE FACT THAT THE INVISIBILITY THAT HE ALWAYS WANTED WAS OBTAINED THROUGH VINSMOKE TECHNOLOGY.

HE DESTROYED HIS OWN RAID SUIT BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ACCEPTING OF HIS VINSMOKE LINEAGE AND THEIR TECH

The same sanji interpreted him loving himself as ridding himself of everything vinsmoke.

Oda should have focused on sanji coming to terms with this and understand that just because he is a vinsmoke doesn't mean he is like the rest of his family. Focus on the sacrifice of his mother. Focus on the fact that his mom's.love is why he can't attack women.

Have sanji come to terms with this and accept himself and then get coc

I think you are too many of your biases onto Sanji. Sanji's destructive tendencies might have developed because of his upbringing, but not rooted in his identity as a Vinsmoke. Sanji hating Vinsmoke is not same as hating himself. He was ok with using Raid suit until it started to awaken his genes. He was afraid he will become heatless soldiers like his brothers, that's what he is scared of, not becoming "Vinsmoke"(what ever that means to you).

Half of what you said is just headcannon. You just made how this situation should go and throwing a tantrum when you are woefully wrong. Next time just stick to posting about Zoro vs Imu rematch fanfiction.

 

[Signman77]

Vegapunk was actively studying the soul and its properties years ago.

It’s just going to be Stella.

The arc made it clear he didn't reach results because the soul is something more than technology, hence Kuma reaches egghead on his own even without a coscience, just through love of his soul because he's a buccaneer. Apparently they have stronger/more lasting souls. I.e there is something more than biomass and memories to life.
He was curious because of a west blue research that stated humans loss 21g upon dying.
Seriously did he read the arc? Bonney story is about a miracle beyond science.
So no,stella vegapunk is dead. His memories will be reuploaded and lilith could be argued to be both vegapunk and another person

 

[Blackflamesanji]

i think law will awaken COC as well, his situation seems very similar with sanji

 

[yj]

Oda has his flaws, but some of you guys go overboard because you're not satisfied when your agendas do not match reality

I agree oda has his flaws and is irregular. To even have an agenda at this point is basically useless

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Then oda should have focused on this.

Oda should have stated that Sanji can't use coc because he is not accepting himself which is VINSMOKE.

He literally asked zoro to kill him in wano if his personality changes to that of his brothers whom were VINSMOKE

HE LITERALLY TOLD LAW HE HATES THE FACT THAT THE INVISIBILITY THAT HE ALWAYS WANTED WAS OBTAINED THROUGH VINSMOKE TECHNOLOGY.

HE DESTROYED HIS OWN RAID SUIT BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ACCEPTING OF HIS VINSMOKE LINEAGE AND THEIR TECH

The same sanji interpreted him loving himself as ridding himself of everything vinsmoke.

Oda should have focused on sanji coming to terms with this and understand that just because he is a vinsmoke doesn't mean he is like the rest of his family. Focus on the sacrifice of his mother. Focus on the fact that his mom's.love is why he can't attack women.

Have sanji come to terms with this and accept himself and then get coc

Sanji accepted that he’s a Vinsmoke Sanji didn’t want to lose his emotions and become an inhuman monster, it had nothing to do with the last name or family

 

[Malio]

The same old recycled, "i need to believe in myself", trauma slop. Peak writing by Hoeda

 

[mly90]

How many seconds would it take for current sanji to lol diff doffy

 

[Fn Lucci]

How many seconds would it take for current sanji to lol diff doffy

If he's using advanced Haki in 1197 it's safe to say he can mid diff now

 

[Doggo]

Law doesnt love himself

I believe in Law depression healing.
Third wheel gang supremacy

 

[Blackflamesanji]

LAW COC WAITING ROOM

 

[Rumble]

Oda should have stated that Sanji can't use coc because he is not accepting himself which is VINSMOKE.

Sanji accepted that he’s a Vinsmoke Sanji didn’t want to lose his emotions and become an inhuman monster, it had nothing to do with the last name or family

How are you both still on this Vinsmoke bullshit?

Chosen family and found family are majors themes in the story.

Sanji is not a Vinsmoke because that's HIS choice. It's not some core flaw he has to address and can only remedy by reclaiming the name.

No matter how badly fans want him to go by the name Vinsmoke Sanji, that is not his name. It hasn't been his name for the majority of his life. You can bet your balls on the fact it never will be again.

 

[Julius]

I feel like something is still missing

The eyebrows shit... that is still not explained, what is the point of it? When is it going to be adressed?

 

[uyuu]

Oda can establish this inner conflict, self-loathing stuff since Whole Cake Island, displaying subtly through the arcs, highlight it in key moments maybe his cooking is different, Zoro observing Sanji and sincerely give advice to him through the arcs and adventure's small moments or brief reflection segments, not just battle, to properly develop Sanji's character.

But no, just use battles to force instant "char development" only to never show the change again throughout maybe except in next main fights lol.

 

[Rumble]

I feel like something is still missing

The eyebrows shit... that is still not explained, what is the point of it? When is it going to be adressed?

Power of Love is its own, separate thing from Haki.

SBS 62 confirmed as much, and we have a number of PoL feats that indicate conventional strength is not a factor.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

How are you both still on this Vinsmoke bullshit?

Chosen family and found family are majors theme of the story.

Sanji is not a Vinsmoke because that's HIS choice. It's not some core flaw he has to address and can only remedy by reclaiming the name.

No matter how badly fans want him to go by the name Vinsmoke Sanji, that is not his name. It hasn't been his name for the majority of his life. You can bet your balls on the fact it never will be again.

I’m saying Sanjis done with this. He doesn’t need any more arcs connected to these 3 because he accepted that part of himself already. He will never go as Vinsmoke Sanji, but he has accepted the transformation as part of him.