Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1196 Spoilers Discussion

I think you are too many of your biases onto Sanji. Sanji's destructive tendencies might have developed because of his upbringing, but not rooted in his identity as a Vinsmoke. Sanji hating Vinsmoke is not same as hating himself. He was ok with using Raid suit until it started to awaken his genes. He was afraid he will become heatless soldiers like his brothers, that's what he is scared of, not becoming "Vinsmoke"(what ever that means to you).

Half of what you said is just headcannon. You just made how this situation should go and throwing a tantrum when you are woefully wrong. Next time just stick to posting about Zoro vs Imu rematch fanfiction.
False. He is vinsmoke. Ebery shred of hatred he had for himself came because of them (how he was treated, deatg of his mom, etc). To hate vinsmoke is to hate himself because he is vinsmoke
 
How are you both still on this Vinsmoke bullshit?

Chosen family and found family are majors themes in the story.

Sanji is not a Vinsmoke because that's HIS choice. It's not some core flaw he has to address and can only remedy by reclaiming the name.

No matter how badly fans want him to go by the name Vinsmoke Sanji, that is not his name. It hasn't been his name for the majority of his life. You can bet your balls on the fact it never will be again.
Because he is vinsmoke. To get coc is to except ones self. He hated vinsmoke so much that he HID his own family name. Everything ties back to vinsmoke including his pm trauma
 
@AverageBuggyEnjoyer
Are you still denying that Oda is just wasting time till 1200? This chapter might be the worst case:
Hybrid Loki is still being silhouetted for the second time, for 3 chapters
Imcel still has gotten to do nothing for 3 chapters
I feel like I should repeat. The King Of The World was introduced a few chapters ago and Luffy is in front of him, and Oda is just offscreening it after having Gaban hype him as unkillable and saying they'll run away
no conclusion on Zoro vs Sommers
The letter Lilly left is still "that thing"
no resolution on the obvious Gunko turning good plot
Instead we get like the third chapter entirely about Sanji's Coc without him showing it. Oda didn't even spend this much time on Luffy's COC, and Zoro's COC was like a footnote in Wano

The craziest thing is that Oda wasn't this autistic about starting the timeskip at 600. He also even rushed fucking God Valley to get to here. genuinely wtf
 

Doggo

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@AverageBuggyEnjoyer
Are you still denying that Oda is just wasting time till 1200? This chapter might be the worst case:
Hybrid Loki is still being silhouetted for the second time, for 3 chapters
Imcel still has gotten to do nothing for 3 chapters
I feel like I should repeat. The King Of The World was introduced a few chapters ago and Luffy is in front of him, and Oda is just offscreening it after having Gaban hype him as unkillable and saying they'll run away
no conclusion on Zoro vs Sommers
The letter Lilly left is still "that thing"
no resolution on the obvious Gunko turning good plot

Instead we get like the third chapter entirely about Sanji's Coc without him showing it
23:59:
Oda speedruns Zoro's mastering process with a 13 page chapter.

00:00:
Oda dedicates more time to Sanji because Sanji still needs to unlock CoC first, which means Oda is stalling.
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Oda shamelessly stalled for chapter 1000 because editors and others bothered him about having something special for it.
I legit don't see it for 1200.
xD
 
Sanji threated bad by his brothers who were vinsmoke

Sanji treated bad by his dad who was vinsmoke

Sanji lost his mother because her womb was experimented on by her own husband "vinsmoke" so she took a drug to save her own kids from being monsters resulting in her death.

Sanji ran away and joined a pirates ship because of vinsmoke

Sanji walked on eggshells with zeff because how he was treated by vinsmoke

Sanji haunted down by bigmom whom wanted him to marry his daughter BECAUSE OF THE VINSMOKE (SANJIS DAD)

Sanji's real father zeff threatened by bigmom, with the person leaking sanjis attachments to zeff being his biological father "vinsmoke judge"

Sanji wanting zoro to kill him If he acted like his brothers (vinsmoke)




THESE DUNBASSES: HOW IS SANJIS TRAUMA TIED TO BEING VINSMOKE???????


READING COMPREHENSION BE DAMNED I GUESS
 
Sanji threated bad by his brothers who were vinsmoke

Sanji treated bad by his dad who was vinsmoke

Sanji lost his mother because her womb was experimented on by her own husband "vinsmoke" so she took a drug to save her own kids from being monsters resulting in her death.

Sanji ran away and joined a pirates ship because of vinsmoke

Sanji walked on eggshells with zeff because how he was treated by vinsmoke

Sanji haunted down by bigmom whom wanted him to marry his daughter BECAUSE OF THE VINSMOKE (SANJIS DAD)

Sanji's real father zeff threatened by bigmom, with the person leaking sanjis attachments to zeff being his biological father "vinsmoke judge"

Sanji wanting zoro to kill him If he acted like his brothers (vinsmoke)




THESE DUNBASSES: HOW IS SANJIS TRAUMA TIED TO BEING VINSMOKE???????


READING COMPREHENSION BE DAMNED I GUESS
Damn, you are irredeemable. Keep crying and throw more tantrums. Keep on hating.

Not one panel in the Sanji's flashbacks is shown as him about him being a Vinsmoke. He even says he didn't mean to devalue himself in any of the scenarios. Not one dialogue saying I am better dead because of my lineage.

You : *RETARDED MONKEY NOICES*
 

Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
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Damn, you are irredeemable. Keep crying and throw more tantrums. Keep on hating.

Not one panel in the Sanji's flashbacks is shown as him about him being a Vinsmoke. He even says he didn't mean to devalue himself in any of the scenarios. Not one dialogue saying I am better dead because of my lineage.

You : *RETARDED MONKEY NOICES*
Oh, it definitely has ties to his upbringing with the Vinsmokes.

He is even surprised when NightmareIva appears because he thought it would be the Vinsmokes instead.
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Damn, you are irredeemable. Keep crying and throw more tantrums. Keep on hating.

Not one panel in the Sanji's flashbacks is shown as him about him being a Vinsmoke. He even says he didn't mean to devalue himself in any of the scenarios. Not one dialogue saying I am better dead because of my lineage.

You : *RETARDED MONKEY NOICES*
He literally asked zoro to kill him if his "vinsmoke genes" took over lmao
 
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Reborn

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Damn, you are irredeemable. Keep crying and throw more tantrums. Keep on hating.

Not one panel in the Sanji's flashbacks is shown as him about him being a Vinsmoke. He even says he didn't mean to devalue himself in any of the scenarios. Not one dialogue saying I am better dead because of my lineage.

You : *RETARDED MONKEY NOICES*
It is tied with his family. It's not due to his lineage but the treatment he received.

His behaviour of self hating and not considering himself worthy is deeply rooted in how Vinsmokes treated him during his childhood. Childhood and upbringing shape people's personality. It's like how many adults carry trauma they faced during their childhood.
 
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