Spoiler One Piece Chapter 990 Spoilers Discussion

[MarineHQ]

It's not stronger than Shusui, but requires a strong user to wield it.

It's a sort of Gravity Chamber training for Haki. Kept forcing Zoro to exert large amounts uncontrollably while using it, until he got to the point where he could hold control over that much of his aura.

I see that. Zoro's Ryou control gets better, that much is certain, but i think that Shusui is overall still the better blade in terms of Quality.

Just my opinion though. It seems balanced.

 

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Although Zoro being that strong out of the TS would make Dressrosa seem even more of a waste of time

 

[Sentinel]

Even putting them in the same ballpark @MarineHQ62 point doesnt change.

Ofc not. I've also said: If Zoro defeats King 1vs1 without any new PUs but his TS PU, I also admit that Zoro came out stronger than Luffy after the timeskip. And technically, Zoro already has very powerful Ryuo.

 

[HA001]

It's not stronger than Shusui, but requires a strong user to wield it.

It's a sort of Gravity Chamber training for Haki. Kept forcing Zoro to exert large amounts uncontrollably while using it, until he got to the point where he could hold control over that much of his aura.

Actually once tamed it becomes a normal sword and he spent the 2 weeks prior to the battle training it to just cut what he wants like the rest of his swords do

What it isnt is a power boost that made him jump levels as will invariably be suggested once we see him fight.

 

[Lifeismeh]

Just a few more chapters and i hop on the Zoro coming out of the TS stronger than Luffy ship
:cheers:

@Fenaker @HA001

only if you're gonna compare just their AP

 

[HA001]

I see that. Zoro's Ryou control gets better, that much is certain, but i think that Shusui is overall still the better blade in terms of Quality.

Just my opinion though. It seems balanced.

As a sword shusui > enma until enma becomes a black blade not only will it be a kokuto but a rank higher than shusui.

 

[Patryipe]

guys, as I said, the safest bet is still King = Katakuri.

Nah, King is looking shit for now. Hasn't embraced that sword for a second, like Oda considers it an afterthought, no fire powers, no FS...

Plus if he goes down to Sanji he's a total POS by definition.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Guys don't be silly, Luffy was obviously stronger than any SH with G4 up to this arc.

You don't retroactively go and adjust power levels based on feats coming from an amped up version of a character. Zoro and Sanji are just now pushed within WCI G4 range in certain aspects in order to compete with YC and eventually defeat them.

 

[Ganja userr]

Let's see if this breaks 500 pages lol

 

[Kuruka]

Those are just semantics to argue against Zoro coming out of the TS stronger than Luffy. It's literally a anti Zoro agenda hiding behind Katakuri's shadow.

Nothing in the story points to Kings inferiority to Kata. Basic manga telling tells u how the enemies get a notch stronger by each passing arc, while King even has a much higher bounty which to an extent is power related.

Zoro just got Emma. That was clearly a power up for him

 

[sanjikun]

Guys don't be silly, Luffy was obviously stronger than any SH with G4 up to this arc.

You don't retroactively go and adjust power levels based on feats coming from an amped up version of a character. Zoro and Sanji are just now pushed within WCI G4 range in certain aspects in order to compete with YC and eventually defeat them.

But they're not... Gear 4 was limited by time. That was its main problem. With unlimited time, Luffy would have beaten everyone including Doflamingo and Katakuri by himself. Don't confuse Luffy using Gear 4, to Gear 4 itself, which is akin to Kaioken.

If Snakeman lasted an hour for example instead of 30 minutes, Luffy doesn't even need FS.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Actually once tamed it becomes a normal sword and he spent the 2 weeks prior to the battle training it to just cut what he wants like the rest of his swords do

What it isnt is a power boost that made him jump levels as will invariably be suggested once we see him fight.

It's still a very, very good sword passed down from someone like Oden. It's on a similar level to Shusui likely, but i would not argue better.

It acted as a power boost because it forced him to improve much quicker than he would have otherwise through it's peculiar behavior.

Now Zoro has way better control over his Haki than he used to, which likely allows him to use new Haki techniques, improve all of his previous techniques, and with the passive boosts the SH's get anyway from one island to another, it stands to reason that end of Wano Zoro is a much stronger character than Dressrosa Zoro for example.

 

[sanjikun]

Gear 4 is just too fucking strong, even in Dressrosa. That's why Oda limited it to 30 mins. Only the Emperors and the Admirals could take it down with no time limit.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

I'm sorry

I accept your apology we are brothers after all

 

[HA001]

But they're not... Gear 4 was limited by time. That was its main problem. With unlimited time, Luffy would have beaten everyone including Doflamingo and Katakuri by himself. Don't confuse Luffy using Gear 4, to Gear 4 itself, which is akin to Kaioken.

If Snakeman lasted an hour for example instead of 30 minutes, Luffy doesn't even need FS.

Cap without nami he loses to cracker
Heck he only beat cracker cause oda made cracker not use haki when he stabbed tankman or luffy would be dead

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Bro, you should join the Jack wank before it's too late!

Jack massacred lots of sulong minks although one of them cut one of the number's weapon like nothing. And these things are rather comparable to Oars Jr!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awakening Jack:

 

[HA001]

It's still a very, very good sword passed down from someone like Oden. It's on a similar level to Shusui likely, but i would not argue better.

It acted as a power boost because it forced him to improve much quicker than he would have otherwise through it's peculiar behavior.

Now Zoro has way better control over his Haki than he used to, which likely allows him to use new Haki techniques, improve all of his previous techniques, and with the passive boosts the SH's get anyway from one island to another, it stands to reason that end of Wano Zoro is a much stronger character than Dressrosa Zoro for example.

He literally tamed it instantly then did standard training with it.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

But they're not... Gear 4 was limited by time. That was its main problem. With unlimited time, Luffy would have beaten everyone including Doflamingo and Katakuri by himself. Don't confuse Luffy using Gear 4, to Gear 4 itself, which is akin to Kaioken.

If Snakeman lasted an hour for example instead of 30 minutes, Luffy doesn't even need FS.

Well i am counting on them defeating top YC level character this arc, which as you said requires comparable to G4 power level.

That doesn't mean that their strengths are exactly the same as Luffy's G4, they can replicate all of the same feats as Luffy's G4, or even are straight out comparable to G4 upmost limits, but i do expect that by the end of this arc they will be somewhere up there, within G4 range, fighters of comparable caliber.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

To think I used to mock Zoro stans for saying that he was at least equal to pre-G4 Luffy during Dressrosa

If Enma wasn't a thing, there would be basis to argue. But by Zoro's own admission, just learning to use Enma will make him much stronger.

 

[WesMidnight]

Cap without nami he loses to cracker
Heck he only beat cracker cause oda made cracker not use haki when he stabbed tankman or luffy would be dead

That is a ridiculously bad take.
Just because Oda wanted a better colour contrast for his panel you assume he attacked a hardened area without haki?