General & Others Why have we not seen a single character who aspires to be WSS?

[Rosella.Fiamingo]

Among all relevant characters we've seen, not one has had any aspiration to be WSS nor do they even care about the title. We are in Wano Kuni, a country full of strong swordsmen but not once have we heard of Mihawk. Why is there such a stark discrepancy between how much of the fanbase values WSS title and its relevancy in power scaling and the in verse perceptions of the title?

The title would be legitimized greatly if Zoro had an actual rival or a character in passing who aspires to be WSS or aspires to beat Mihawk but we have no such thing.

So this begs the question, does the fanbase value this title way too much when Oda himself hasn't even done anything to progress or build up any tension towards Zoro's goal. It's not hyperbole to assert that there is not development in Zoro's goal to becoming WSS. There is no tension, no tug, it all falls flat when you realize that over 400 chapters of the TS, this aspiration has not been hinted at once by any other character. No one cares about Mihawk and WSS so, why should we as fans place such emphasis on a title without any story points legitimizing it?

For example, if we get that Beckman is the World Greatest/Strongest Marksman, does that really do anything for power scaling? It would be cool info sure but, that changes nothing about the power scaling. At this point, learning that Beckman is the greatest Marksman would have as much weight as Mihawk being the Greatest Swordsman. They both would have similar levels of build up and development (Zero).

 

[Buusatan94]

Because they aim for a higher mountain and a bigger prize: the Pirate King title.

 

[kurwa]

What's the point of WSS title tho?
Why would anyone want to have it?

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Because Oda hasn't handled this properly, and in my personal opinion he is well aware of the issues with someone like Fujitora or Law aiming to become WSS since their fruits are a huge part of their fighting styles in spite of carrying a sword and, since his manga is full of amazing superpowers like those and a very small number of current top dogs rely on their swordsmanship as main source of power (and part of them don't even seem to care about the title, on top of this), the result is that the mighty run for the title is reduced to a bromance between two guys that are now master and pupil.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It's not hyperbole to assert that there is not development in Zoro's goal to becoming WSS.

This is hyperbole. Every time Zoro fights the swordsman of the arc he's progressing his dream.

You remember Mihawk telling Zoro that he had to travel and see the world in order to get any chance at him. And then Zoro says he will never lose again.

Well there you have it. The prerequisite to progressing Zoro's dreams is TRAVELLING and WINNING fights.

Which are things he's been doing

 

[RayanOO]

The prerequisite to progressing Zoro's dreams is TRAVELLING and WINNING fights.

yeah but everyone does that, traveling and winning fights, all the SH are doing that and only one wants to become WSS.

I agree that it is a shame that not a single soul wants to be WSS in the younger gen except Zoro, or even in the 30s gen etc.

The Yonko, Dragon, Marines, SN etc have more important things to do ^^

 

[Red Admiral]

look at Mihawk

he is a man farming in an island of his own ....

why would any one want to be like that when they can be part of the big game

that's boring .... of course people don't want to end up like that

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Because Oda hasn't handled this properly, and in my personal opinion he is well aware of the issues with someone like Fujitora or Law aiming to become WSS since their fruits are a huge part of their fighting styles in spite of carrying a sword and, since his manga is full of amazing superpowers like those and a very small number of current top dogs rely on their swordsmanship as main source of power (and part of them don't even seem to care about the title, on top of this), the result is that the mighty run for the title is reduced to a bromance between two guys that are now master and pupil.

Thing is though, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO BE WSS.

You realise that there's no reward for being WSS right? Fujitora as the character he is now, gains NOTHING from trying to become WSS. Like he joined the marines to get political power to abolish the warlords and fight crime. Law's motivation ranges from revenge to the will of d to anarchy to the one piece.

Explain to me exactly how gain the title of WSS helps any of these guys?

There is no political power or monetary gain here. Remember that the marines DID NOT even offer Mihawk the warlord position. He WENT TO THEM for it. They offered buggy and ace warlord positions but they saw Mihawk as the WSS and even then they didn't even bother.

The title exists entirely as basis for ones own sense of accomplishment. That's all you get from it. A sense of accomplishment. I mean you can get famous from it but in one piece, fame doesn't matter outside of politics. Mihawk is famous as the strongest but then his politics are lacking so no one really cares. When Mihawk arrives at matineford everyone is surprised. When Mihawk leaves again everyone is surprised. No one sees the title of WSS as some kind if political statement so no one has to actually care. It's surprise when Mihawk helps just as much as when he doesn't.

Like can you like explicitly think of one thing that Law or Fujitora specifically NEED from a title that has no political power at all

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yeah but everyone does that, traveling and winning fights, all the SH are doing that and only one wants to become WSS

@RayanOO

Well what does everyone doing that matter to my point. The OP was saying "Zoro has no progression in his dream". I showed that he does. End of story.

That's my point

 

[Finalbeta]

What is Zoro then? :zorothink:

He is more than enough

At the end of the day Whitebeard was also the WSS of his era, worst case is Roger depending on Oda's take on Whitebeard's weapon

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Why would anyone want to have it

@kurwa

Maybe the question is, why would Zoro want it?

And we got the answer to that question right.

So maybe that's all that matters. The reason Zoro wants it is enough.

I mean no one specifically cares about All Blue, or Being a brave warrior or a world map or finding laboon. Except the strawhats we care about

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Thing is though, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO BE WSS.

You realise that there's no reward for being WSS right? Fujitora as the character he is now, gains NOTHING from trying to become WSS. Like he joined the marines to get political power to abolish the warlords and fight crime. Law's motivation ranges from revenge to the will of d to anarchy to the one piece.

Explain to me exactly how gain the title of WSS helps any of these guys?

There is no political power or monetary gain here. Remember that the marines DID NOT even offer Mihawk the warlord position. He WENT TO THEM for it. They offered buggy and ace warlord positions but they saw Mihawk as the WSS and even then they didn't even bother.

The title exists entirely as basis for ones own sense of accomplishment. That's all you get from it. A sense of accomplishment. I mean you can get famous from it but in one piece, fame doesn't matter outside of politics. Mihawk is famous as the strongest but then his politics are lacking so no one really cares. When Mihawk arrives at matineford everyone is surprised. When Mihawk leaves again everyone is surprised. No one sees the title of WSS as some kind if political statement so no one has to actually care. It's surprise when Mihawk helps just as much as when he doesn't.

Like can you like explicitly think of one thing that Law or Fujitora specifically NEED from a title that has no political power at all

And what prevents someone like Fujitora or Law from dreaming about the title out of their own sense of accomplishment no matter the little political or whatever impact it has? The point is that Oda may not want to put someone like Fujitora in the run for the title because he doesn't want that kind of fighter aiming for it, he's just an example out of any no matter the role he ultimately gave him. If you don't like these examples take any other swordsman Zoro has faced that didn't care about the title either yet had no apparent interest in going political.

 

[kurwa]

@kurwa

Maybe the question is, why would Zoro want it?

And we got the answer to that question right.

So maybe that's all that matters. The reason Zoro wants it is enough.

I mean no one specifically cares about All Blue, or Being a brave warrior or a world map or finding laboon. Except the strawhats we care about

All Blue discovery would change the world (For example: destroying red line)
World Map would change interaction, traveling and people's perception about this world (East Blue people are clueless about crazy islands and even sky islands)
Being brave warrior would mean nothing to anyone but at least it's not a title with no meaning blown out of proportion. And at least in order for Usopp to achieve his dream he needs to change his character and not just get stronger.

WSS title would change nothing:
Defeat Mihawk- no ones cares
Don't defeat Mihawk - no ones cares

 

[bennbeckman]

Good question, who knows, why there havent been characters who've had that dream alongside Zoro

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Why hasn’t anyone else tried to mutate into a different species through force of will and challenge Kaido for the title of World’s Strongest Creature? Riddle me THAT, smart guy!! :laughmoji:

 

[silverfire]

Nobody aspires to be a yonko either.

Actually, the only other aspirational title that multiple non strawhats have coveted is that of Admiral.

 

[bennbeckman]

Why hasn’t anyone else tried to mutate into a different species through force of will and challenge Kaido for the title of World’s Strongest Creature? Riddle me THAT, smart guy!! :laughmoji:

MY MAN

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

And what prevents someone like Fujitora or Law from dreaming about the title out of their own sense of accomplishment no matter the little political or whatever impact it has? The point is that Oda may not want to put someone like Fujitora in the run for the title because he doesn't want that kind of fighter aiming for it, he's just an example out of any no matter the role he ultimately gave him. If you don't like these examples take any other swordsman Zoro has faced that didn't care about the title either yet had no apparent interest in going political.

But then you are advocating to change their characters right?

You are saying their current characters gain nothing from this so they should be changed to suit your agenda here.

And what do you mean by "that kind of fighter"? Are you really going on about "pure swordsman" here? Is this it? Is this your actual point? Please tell me it is so that you stop beating around the bush.

And if you want actually make some case then take Hyouzo. Hyouzo is the only swordsman Zoro has fought who actively evaluates his own strength compared to others like Zoro or Mihawk do. Hyouzo says "I'm the strongest swordsman in Fishman island"

So basically Hyouzo would be the closest thing to what you want right. But the problem is that he's racist weakling drunkard. According to you we should get Hyouzo's current traits and add on "I want to be WSS". But you see a problem here right, Mihawk is the WSS. A human being. Why would racist drunkard ACKNOWLEDGE Mihawk as WSS yet he's a human? The easy answer is that he doesn't. It goes against his racism to say a human is WSS so of course Mihawk isn't really WSS then. But seeing he also believes Fishmen are naturally superior, then that means him being tested strongest fishman swordman means he's ALREADY STRONGER than the human swordsmen. Meaning he's already WSS.

Are you noticing the issue here? This isn't a small little trait to just give someone for fun. Wanting to challenge Mihawk who is comparable to yonkou for just for the sense of accomplishment at the risk of your actual death to this guy is not a small thing you just add on to a character. Fujitora with his sense of justice and his mission to change the world can't also be risking hus life for essentially a cheap thrill. That's anachronistic to his entire character and motivations

Oda would've had to give WSS some kind of political power to justify any of these characters with highly political goals to want it. And the problem with that is that Zoro exists. Zoro wants the title but he has no political leanings himself. Therefore if the title had innate political power, it would have to be something Zoro recognises and is aware he would get. Therefore we would have to change Zoro-s character as well to reflect the inherent political power of the title.

And we don't want any of this right? We don't need to change Fujitora or Zoro's character just for your agenda especially when the changes are bad.

The easiest thing would be to create another Zoro. Amother character who naturally fits into someone who would want this title and be string enough to challenge Zoro. But that's not easy to do. I mean people thought it was killer and look how that turned out.

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WSS title would change nothing:
Defeat Mihawk- no ones cares
Don't defeat Mihawk - no ones cares

@kurwa
Are you saying TO ZORO, achieving his dream means nothing to him

 

[Finalbeta]

We don't really need many characters that aspire to become one

The thing is power level wise WSM and WSS might even be identical sometimes, expecially when the WSM also happens to be WSS

 

[sanji]

Even the gifters aimed to be Pirate King, WSS is a trash goal for those without ambition (e.g. Mihawk, Zolo).

 

[bennbeckman]

Even the gifters aimed to be Pirate King, WSS is a trash goal for those without ambition (e.g. Mihawk, Zolo).

That logic makes every single goal that's not PK trash because it lacks ambition