Powers & Abilities Can Kiku cut through Diamond Jozu?

[ImmaIvanoM]

This isn't necessarily a powerscaling question. It's more of a question regarding the mechanics of the story. And specifically, I want to show durability basically doesn't make much sense in this story anymore.

First of all, let's address the "real physics" arguments. In "real physics" diamond isn't that hard. Seriously, it's the hardest substance but that doesn't mean it's unbreakable (despite Jojo part 4). In fact A LOT of the casual physical strength abilities in this story can already break "real" diamond. For example the amount of force Luffy used to break out of those two buildings he was stuck in Water Seven. If Luffy used that amount force in a punch, he'd break diamond. Of course the harder thing to do is cutting diamond. Diamond has higher durability to cutting but then again, diamonds are cut in real life already so cuts like the one Zoro did to Pica is potentially thousands or millions of times stronger than what's required to cut diamond.

But of course Jozu is tougher than All the above. We shall have to say Jozu's diamond is "Mystic diamond" kind of like Luffy is "Mystic rubber" since Luffy has extremely exaggerated rubber properties.

So secondly, we have to address what Haki can do here. Or specifically Advanced Haki. Or Specifically Kiku piercing Kaido. This situations brings up the question of whether Kaido has more durability than Diamond Jozu. Or maybe Kaido has a DIFFERENT kind of durability than Jozu on which different properties apply. Either way, Haki seems to be the ultimate nullifier of all here. Which ever the actual explanation is, it's begs the question can Kiku cut Diamond Jozu?

Yes. If Jozu has weaker Haki than her. This seems to be the final answer. That at some point, everything is based on Haki in the end and Mr Jozu's durability only matters to stuff like bombs exploding in his face or whatever else type of damage that doesn't carry Haki. Of course this doesn't mean Kiku has more Haki than Kaido and that's why she cut him, Kaido is seemingly perpetually drunk and seems to barely want to defend himself with Haki even if he can.

Therefore if the situation was similar, Jozu is in full diamond form but is caught unaware or gets speed blitzed before he can Haki up, Kiku could just cut clean through him.

What do you guys think?

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

Don't ask stupid questions

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Don't ask stupid questions

Is that a yes or no?

 

[HA001]

Yes.

 

[Green_Shanks]

yes

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

Is that a yes or no?

I SAID DON'T ASK STUIPD QUESTIONS!!!

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I SAID DON'T ASK STUIPD QUESTIONS!!!

The answer is yes then. Okay

 

[duckman]

O-Kiku > Sanji

Luffy himself told Sanji he had no chance to impress her because she too strong for that, only chad like Kine'mon who found a wife so loyal she wait for him 20 years(!) can made O-Kiku fall of her legs.
Simps like Sanji had no chance with her.

Sanji wasn't even mentioned here...wtf

 

[Olimaat]

O-Kiku > Sanji

Luffy himself told Sanji he had no chance to impress her because she too strong for that, only chad like Kine'mon who found a wife so loyal she wait for him 20 years(!) can made O-Kiku fall of her legs.
Simps like Sanji had no chance with her.

It becomes obsessional

 

[XGoldrogeRX]

yes if she uses adv coa.

 

[trav]

Yes. If Jozu has weaker Haki than her.

this is the part where I mostly disagree with the popular opinion.

superior haki is not the only deciding factor in this. its an additional defense on top of the regular one. like armor.
Jozu is already durable by being diamond. add haki on top and he becomes more durable still.
if Jozu defends himself with haki clad arms then Kiku will most likely do nothing to him.
if Kiku manages to strike an undefended part of the bodie that is only (...) diamond then I guess she will give Jozu a serious wound.

Luffy already beat opponents with superior haki than his. he even beat haki users without having access to haki himself.
haki is a powerful tool, but its not the only thing that matters.

 

[Gauntlet]

Expecting Oda to be realistic when it comes to physics is laughable. Luffy would be dead against Enel and Fuji would of killed everyone including himself with those meteors.

 

[stealthblack]

no swordman can pierce jozu if even mihawk failed

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

this is the part where I mostly disagree with the popular opinion.

superior haki is not the only deciding factor in this. its an additional defense on top of the regular one. like armor.
Jozu is already durable by being diamond. add haki on top and he becomes more durable still.
if Jozu defends himself with haki clad arms then Kiku will most likely do nothing to him.
if Kiku manages to strike an undefended part of the bodie that is only (...) diamond then I guess she will give Jozu a serious wound.

Luffy already beat opponents with superior haki than his. he even beat haki users without having access to haki himself.
haki is a powerful tool, but its not the only thing that matters.

Okay but then surely Kaido's Base durability outclasses Jozu's diamond and haki durability combined right?

 

[swarna]

no swordman can pierce jozu if even mihawk failed

Good swordsman only cut what they want/need to. Mihawk's slash against Luffy was also blocked by Daz Bones clean. Jozu blocked a slash meant for Whitebeard.

It's easily plausible that Kiku or one of her peers can cut Jozu if he isn't using haki or if his haki is weaker.

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[spawn]

If Jozu is only using the diamond to protect himself, then Kiku can cut him since she can use Ryuo.
If Jozu is using CoA as well to protect himself, then it comes down to whoever has the stronger CoA. Is the will she's imposing on her sword stronger than Jozu's will to defend his body?

 

[trav]

Okay but then surely Kaido's Base durability outclasses Jozu's diamond and haki durability combined right?

why surely? it may be. thats not for sure.
Kaido was shown to be very resillient to blunt attacks like Luffys. this is the first time we see him getting stabbed without protecting himself.
even though he got stabbed through the palm of his hand by Kiku there was no indication that he was using haki to defend himself at that time.
same goes for his belly wound vs Oden.

If Jozu is only using the diamond to protect himself, then Kiku can cut him since she can use Ryuo.
If Jozu is using CoA as well to protect himself, then it comes down to whoever has the stronger CoA. Is the will she's imposing on her sword stronger than Jozu's will to defend his body?

this notion that stronger CoA always win vs weaker CoA has been proven false in the past. Luffy beat opponents with stronger CoA and even managed to break through their defenses. even by brute force alone.
if Jozu were a regular human than you may be right in what you say. hes not. hes diamond. Kiku has to break through his haki and his bodies natural defenses.

 

[spawn]

why surely? it may be. thats not for sure.
this notion that stronger CoA always win vs weaker CoA has been proven false in the past. Luffy beat opponents with stronger CoA and even managed to break through their defenses. even by brute force alone.
if Jozu were a regular human than you may be right in what you say. hes not. hes diamond. Kiku has to break through his haki and his bodies natural defenses.

Hmm, I don't know about that.
Luffy has beaten opponents with stronger CoA than him but the initial question isn't if Kiku defeats Jozu, it's if she is capable of cutting him with and without haki, e.g: when he is caught off-guard.
Which defenses did he breakthrough? Are you talking about the Boa sisters' scene?

 

[trav]

Hmm, I don't know about that.
Luffy has beaten opponents with stronger CoA than him but the initial question isn't if Kiku defeats Jozu, it's if she is capable of cutting him with and without haki, e.g: when he is caught off-guard.
Which defenses did he breakthrough? Are you talking about the Boa sisters' scene?

Luffy had weaker haki than some of his opponents and could still block their attacks without getting injured. he even went so far as to overpower them.
better CoA is just one of the stats that matters, it does not trump everything else though.

Kiku can cut Jozu imo, but only if she manages to hit him cleanly without him guarding himself.

 

[spawn]

Luffy had weaker haki than some of his opponents and could still block their attacks without getting injured. he even went so far as to overpower them.
better CoA is just one of the stats that matters, it does not trump everything else though.

Kiku can cut Jozu imo, but only if she manages to hit him cleanly without him guarding himself.

Right, he had weaker CoA than Katakuri for example, however, Oda made it a point to show Luffy getting visibly hurt by just exchanging with his hardening while using Edged Mochi.
However, punches are different from swords cuts.
When a swordsman needed to cut someone who defended themselves with haki (i.e: Zoro v Pica) the challenge was to surmount their CoA to be able to cut them.
If Jozu puts a layer of CoA on top of his diamond if his haki is inferior to Kiku's; she still has to use Ryuo to be able to cut the Diamond that follows the CoA.