Powers & Abilities Zoro and the Scabbards

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Geo

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stairs-kun said:
Oden's haki skill is way better than the scabbards. So no, Kinemon and others can't wield Enma. Also, Oden had to be a Armament Haki prodigy because he was able to wield, even when swordsmen before him couldn't. Oden childhood portrayal is similar to big mom, both we're absolute monsters as kids. Dude grew strong enough in wano alone to clash with prime beard. Then grew even stronger after his voyages. And because swords in one piece can take on the user's will/haki, Zoro's haki had to be comparable to peak Oden to even survive Enma.

Oden is easily mid-top admiral lvl, Zoro was low-mid admiral lvl in dressrosa. Thus it makes perfects sense for Zoro to be able to wield it because he was in that range.
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Facts. To cut only what is meant to be cut is peak swordsmanship.
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Yes that's understandable but what do you make of Kaido stating that they are using Oden's Ryou?
 
Lifeismeh

Lifeismeh

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Geo said:
Taming Enma depends on skill so moot point
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I don't think so

it depend if you're strong enough to survive Enma draining your haki, Zoro tamed Emma because he has more raw power than the scabbards

the scabbards on the other hand are very skilled in using ryuu,we saw Kiku and Kinemon have special abilities and I would assume the rest have as well, on the hand Zoro only use cutting attacks which all decent swordsmen can use
 
Rivaille

Rivaille

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#424
#424
Lifeismeh said:
I don't think so

it depend if you're strong enough to survive Enma draining your haki, Zoro tamed Emma because he has more raw power than the scabbards

the scabbards on the other hand are very skilled in using ryuu,we saw Kiku and Kinemon have special abilities and I would assume the rest have as well, on the hand Zoro only use cutting attacks which all decent swordsmen can use
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So you think that it is true that Kiku’s blade wound last forever and you think that it is like to Ryou?
 
Lifeismeh

Lifeismeh

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Rivaille said:
So you think that it is true that Kiku’s blade wound last forever and you think that it is like to Ryou?
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idk about forever, but yes I think her cuts stay active for a long time and its because of ryou

Kaido scar was activated even after 20 years from when Oden cut him, so we have evidence that its possible
 
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Geo

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Lifeismeh said:
I don't think so

it depend if you're strong enough to survive Enma draining your haki, Zoro tamed Emma because he has more raw power than the scabbards

the scabbards on the other hand are very skilled in using ryuu,we saw Kiku and Kinemon have special abilities and I would assume the rest have as well, on the hand Zoro only use cutting attacks which all decent swordsmen can use
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It depends on being able to draw your haki back from the sword which is based on haki flow hence skill.

Using different techniques doesn't mean one is more skillful than the other as long as one technique isn't said to be superior to another.
Zoro can produce fire from his slashes, can create illusions, etc...doesn't mean he is more skillful
 
stairs-kun

stairs-kun

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#429
#429
Geo said:
Yes that's understandable but what do you make of Kaido stating that they are using Oden's Ryou?
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Boa sisters have advanced barrier haki, but their barrier haki is nothing like rayleighs. Scabbards have Oden's ryuo, but it is nothing like Oden/Zoro's ryuo. Makes sense?:quest:
 
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Geo

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stairs-kun said:
Boa sisters have advanced barrier haki, but their barrier haki is nothing like rayleighs. Scabbards have Oden's ryuo, but it is nothing like Oden/Zoro's ryuo. Makes sense?:quest:
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Not really. Because if they said that boa sisters were using Rayleigh's Ryou, then it would mean they were using Rayleigh's level of Ryou
 
stairs-kun

stairs-kun

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#431
#431
Geo said:
Not really. Because if they said that boa sisters were using Rayleigh's Ryou, then it would mean they were using Rayleigh's level of Ryou
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Rayleigh's Ryuo is barrier techique and Above, Boa sisters use barrier technique(Rayleigh Ryuo) Is their Ryuo strong enough to compete with Rayleigh's?

No.

9 Red Scabbards are using Oden's technique, but it isn't strong like Odens. If it were Kaido would be dead, especially after Kinemon just had a free shot at Kaido's head. Their swords are hurting Kaido, but not to the extent where it hurting like how Oden hurt Kaido.

Makes sense now?:sighting:
 
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Sword God Ryuma

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#432
OmegaPsyche said:
We need explaining as to why Kinemon can cut fire, The Other Samurai haven't shown this ability.
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His sword can
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stairs-kun said:
Rayleigh's Ryuo is barrier techique and Above, Boa sisters use barrier technique(Rayleigh Ryuo) Is their Ryuo strong enough to compete with Rayleigh's?

No.

9 Red Scabbards are using Oden's technique, but it isn't strong like Odens. If it were Kaido would be dead, especially after Kinemon just had a free shot at Kaido's head. Their swords are hurting Kaido, but not to the extent where it hurting like how Oden hurt Kaido.

Makes sense now?:sighting:
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They is no oden technique lmao. Its just Ryou and the Scabbards are good at it, but Oden has better Ryou and physically stronger then them.
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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#433
#433
Geo said:
It's not really about the fire cutting ability which seems to be special for Kinemon but the fact that he cut Kaido from a
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Isn't it the opposite. I'm pretty sure all the scabbards will be able to do flying slashes. It seems cutting fire is the thing not everyone can do
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Lifeismeh said:
Emma doesn't mean Zoro is a level above them
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@Lifeismeh
You don't think taming enma is a skill ability on top of a power ability?

It's haki control. Surely anytime a person is controlling their haki, it becomes a skill.

Like this was what convinced Tenguyama that Zoro could potentially make a black blade. Surely making a black blade is both a skill and power achievement
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Lifeismeh said:
I don't think so

it depend if you're strong enough to survive Enma draining your haki, Zoro tamed Emma because he has more raw power than the scabbards

the scabbards on the other hand are very skilled in using ryuu,we saw Kiku and Kinemon have special abilities and I would assume the rest have as well, on the hand Zoro only use cutting attacks which all decent swordsmen can use
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@Lifeismeh

Zoro not only "survived" being drained by Enma, he made it give his haki back.

You can say surviving the drain is a power feat but surely being able to control the flow of haki is a skill. That's literally what luffy was learning. Controlling the flow of haki.

Also Zoro has multiple "special" abilities. He Hehehe. Like Zoro himself has even produced fire like Kin'emon at one point. And there's his demonic abilities too.
 
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