General & Others Kill the myth : Kizaru is the one who injured Marco the most, not Garp and he didn't need Onigumo for that.

[Extravlad]

This is a lie.

Spoiler: Kizaru injures Marco

Here Kizaru injures Marco before he gets handcuffed, he is spitting blood.
And you can see that he's still injured right before Onigumo handcuffs him.

Spoiler: Kizaru injures Marco 2

I'm tired of reading nonsense about how Kizaru couldn't injure Marco without seastone or Garp being wanked for giving him a few scratches when Kizaru literally had him spitting blood

 

[Tejas]

How about the reality you have to come to terms with.

 

[Seraphoenix]

Marco could very easily use haki to block the lasers. He just chooses to use his fruit to heal himself.

 

[Ryuarashi]

Marco could very easily use haki to block the lasers. He just chooses to use his fruit to heal himself.

He was distracted so no, he couldn't at that time

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Kizaru did injured Marco but he heals his wounds easily with his fruit. While Garp just straight up fisted Marco into the ground and his fruit got deactivated for a second.

Garp > Kizaru

 

[Finalbeta]

How about the reality you have to come to terms with.

That is merely because offensive powerhouses fit better to front Marco's regeneration powers.

This is why Old Garp basically managed to break through Marco's regeneration.

If the admirals unleashed their awakening, not only they would become way more lethal than Big Mom but also obtain the necessary power output to destroy his regen.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

I'm tired of reading nonsense about how Kizaru couldn't injure Marco without seastone or Garp being wanked for giving him a few scratches when Kizaru literally had him spitting blood

I had to make an account real quick after seeing you (this is pwngoatvspandaman)

Anyway here's the jist of marco's power:

Marco when defending whitebeard wasn't using his own body as a shield, he was doing high speed rotations to create a wind shield of sorts, and when the weak mass produced lasers hit it, they had nowhere to go so they formed an orb (ie collapsed into each other):
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/v...est/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20180905233128

He then flew towards kizaru, who shot at him, but due to intangibility (he has to be focused to do it unlike skilled logias), the lasers went through him harmlessly. We know he wasn't healing because of when he was actually hit earlier, and the fact that he was never pushed back by the lasers, they just went through him harmlessly and we see his eyes being calm as hell, showing no pain or reaction, also as we see later, his healing factor isn't instantaneous.
https://external-preview.redd.it/KL...bp&s=6d1e4269be25b9d6910fdf2b0a0deaba526d7e06

He used his zoan stat boost in strength to force his way through Kizaru's defense (kizaru might have had a bruise on his arm from the initial attack, the follow through with the zoan stats just ragdolled him), sending him flying towards the earth, kizaru turned to light so he could avoid the crash damage that a non logia would have to take
https://external-preview.redd.it/vN...bp&s=c9cab9745e85c13e4403eb3dcc689d4904a3a803

Later he was hit while turned away to worry about Whitebeard, and as we see, his reaction to being shot is night and day than before, his healing factor isn't as all encompassing as we thought previously, it's certainly great still, but it's not instant and might be more limited than most think. But at the same time, kizaru effectively didn't land a single hit in the fair fight while marco had a very marginal lead, to the point that it'd take hours, but marco would probably win.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11112/111128182/4019857-kizaru5.jpg
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11112/111128182/4019858-kizaru6.jpg

In the end, he had a marginal advantage over kizaru in their FAIR fight, and if whitebeard hadn't got stabbed by squard, whitebeard wouldn't have had a heart attack, so whitebeard would have been 100% untouched, meaning marco wouldn't have to worry about him, meaning marco and jozu wouldn't have been hurt. Honestly speaking, if squard hadn't stabbed whitebeard, marineford would have ended with whitebeard maybe dropping akainu, marco and jozu fighting kizaru and aokiji for a while, garp and sengoku eventually join after akainu drops to hold off whitebeard, ace is freed, ace and luffy escape to whitebeard, and then the whitebeard pirates leave with ace with no real loss on both sides besides fodder and akainu's health for a week or 2. (and pride)

Marco now (he would get a boost from his increase in role as captain and losing the safety of a yonkou boss, opposite to the nerf chinjao got for retiring) > Marco at marineford > King > Katakuri > Ben Beckman (let's be honest, Kizaru made ben his little bitch). Kizaru is probably around King leveled, Akainu is probably around marco (both would get a respective boost at the same time), and Aokiji idk (but he seems to have future sight, which he used to avoid that whitebeard hit, future sight being an empathy link that he, katakuri, and luffy have, and sanji will get it eventually to prove to judge that empathy can be a strength in a tangible way)

Long time no see weeb rival, I'm a trash cosplayer and I'm on reddit with this same username.

Oh and let's be honest, Imu > Garp > Kaidou > Rest. Garp is likely going to be killed by Imu in the foreseeable future to hype up Imu.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

How about the reality you have to come to terms with.

This is just unfair comparison with nitpicking. Against akainu, the next scene had akainu not injured from the attack.
Meanwhile, big mom actually escaped from marco.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

This is just unfair comparison with nitpicking. Against akainu, the next scene had akainu not injured from the attack.
Meanwhile, big mom actually escaped from marco.

I mean akainu was hurt, he just wasn't dropped. If you pay attention to akainu there, he's visibly shaking (shake lines around him), he's gritting his teeth, and if you looked at the actual panel, he's making an "argghhh" sound (ie groaning in pain).

He was fine overall but it was two unnamed haki tatacks from marco and vista. It didn't really mean that much for any of the parties.

 

[Rocks D. Buggy]

or Saka as most expect uses Future sight same way Kata did in that moment


any way , the Marco thing is really hard to talk about cause i dont even call what Garp did to him damage


the only time he was clearly damaged was when Borsalino caught him off guard when he was running towards Newgate

 

[HopOnTheHype]

or Saka as most expect uses Future sight same way Kata did in that moment


any way , the Marco thing is really hard to talk about cause i dont even call what Garp did to him damage


the only time he was clearly damaged was when Borsalino caught him off guard when he was running towards Newgate

If he was using future sight, he wouldn't be having shake lines, wouldn't be pushed back from the attack (he was clearly being shifted backwards in a lean), wouldn't be groaning in pain, wouldn't complain they were haki users, and wouldn't be groaning in pain.

Also future sight seems to be unique to people with strong empathy. (Katakuri, Luffy, and likely aokiji)

 

[Steven]

Nice off-guard attack

Basic stuff for Admirals,cant fight fair

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Nice off-guard attack

Basic stuff for Admirals,cant fight fair

The yeti cool brothers (weakling trio characters) have literally defeated zoro with off-guard attacks.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Yes, I thought that was pretty clear. The worst damage Marco has taken was from the Yasakani no Magatama that he blocked for Whitebeard which turned him into swiss cheese. Without his regeneration he would have simply died. The 2 lasers he took before he was cuffed would have temporarily taken him out just as the 2 lasers he took after he was cuffed did.

The only thing Garp did was knock him out of the sky. Of course an attack that would have killed him without his regeneration is greater than that.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Yes, I thought that was pretty clear. The worst damage Marco has taken was from the Yasakani no Magatama that he blocked for Whitebeard which turned him into swiss cheese. Without his regeneration he would have simply died. The 2 lasers he took before he was cuffed would have temporarily taken him out just as the 2 lasers he took after he was cuffed did.

The only thing Garp did was knock him out of the sky. Of course an attack that would have killed him without his regeneration is greater than that.

Take a look at the top left panel, Marco is rotating at a high speed in a circular motion with his wings. If he was ripped to pieces, the lasers wouldn't build up in front of him, they'd instead dissipate upon impact or go through him and his defense wouldn't have done anything. Essentially marco's high speed rotations created a wind pocket that stopped the momentum of the lasers, causing them to build up in front of him instead of on him or going through him. You see those jagged lines by his rotations?

So nah, marco actually was 100% untouched really in that encounter.

 

[WesMidnight]

Garp BTFO'd Marco as a Roger level legend should, it was to the point that only Luffy could save Ace in Marineford due to Garp's weakspot for his grandson. Garp was the strongest man at marineford an the ultimate roadblock stopping anyone else from saving Ace.

Kizaru sneak attacked Marco at every opportunity. Kizaru is stronger, but not to the level of dominance of Garp.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Garp BTFO'd Marco as a Roger level legend should, it was to the point that only Luffy could save Ace in Marineford due to Garp's weakspot for his grandson. Garp was the strongest man at marineford an the ultimate roadblock stopping anyone else from saving Ace.

Kizaru sneak attacked Marco at every opportunity. Kizaru is stronger, but not to the level of dominance of Garp.

If he only looked good against marco with sneak attacks, how is kizaru stronger? Marco in their actual fight had the slight edge and was the one pushing kizaru back, not the other way around.

 

[WesMidnight]

If he only looked good against marco with sneak attacks, how is kizaru stronger? Marco in their actual fight had the slight edge and was the one pushing kizaru back, not the other way around.

Kizaru was lazy and unmotivated, and despite this took no significant Ls or damage in the war.

 

[ranady]

How about the reality you have to come to terms with.

Tejas-sama and this pic, a sweeter love story than twilight

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Kizaru was lazy and unmotivated, and despite this took no significant Ls or damage in the war.

Marco and Kizaru were equally as unmotivated in their fight against each other, they literally both looked high while both literally copy pasted the same lines at each other.