Powers & Abilities Pre-Wano Luffy CoA vs Zoro CoA

[M944]

Where are they pushing? The only ones shown pushing were Fuji n co. The rest of the marine fodders went to push the factory

Do you really think all dressrosa + Mugiwara and fleet + Marine push the factory ?

Tontatta were with franky and just them was enough to not let any space for someone.
Stop this nonsense.

Birdcage isn't even a real attack it's more a trap.

Where do you draw that conclusion from?

He applied force to stop the cage

Fujitora, Kinemon, Kanjuro and all CoA users didn't create any shockwawe.
Can you explain why ?
They all tried so where is their shockwawes ?

That goes both ways so go search it for yourself

Lmao no. You claim something you need to back it up.
Not me.
With your logic I can say luffy overpowered Rayleigh CoA don't ask me panel search it.

 

[Uncle Van]

I've already provided the example. You accepting it or not is irrelevant.
He applied force to the cage enough to cause a shockwave which means he wasn't just Merely pushing..that comes after

You can go argue that at another thread. This is haki thread

Also the actual question you are asking is as irrelevant as they come. Zoro doesn't need to block a blow in order for us to know that his haki hasn't broken or know his haki strength.
This was already proven when he had the flashback after defeating Pica

So you admit you just assume Zoro's haki is better. Got it.

 

[Geo]

Do you really think all dressrosa + Mugiwara and fleet + Marine push the factory ?

Tontatta were with franky and just them was enough to not let any space for someone.
Stop this nonsense.

Birdcage isn't even a real attack it's more a trap

Where did I say that?

How do you know there was no space?

Irrelevant

Fujitora, Kinemon, Kanjuro and all CoA users didn't create any shockwawe.
Can you explain why ?
They all tried so where is their

Because they didn't apply force before pushing unlike Zoro who applied force enough to cause a shockwave

Lmao no. You claim something you need to back it up.
Not me.
With your logic I can say luffy overpowered Rayleigh CoA don't ask me panel search

I backed it up with what was in the manga. Posting a panel is just extra and not a necessity to backing up a claim.
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So you admit you just assume Zoro's haki is better. Got it.

So you admit you have no argument. Got it.

 

[Tripod]

Lmaoo the birdcage is a terrible example
And there’s no similarity between Zoro showing adequate haki without top tier swords and helping slow down the birdcage

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Put zoro in the same situations luffy was in without his swords to help protect him i dont see him doin as good at all
Even if he knows how to use coa to protect his body

Zoro can't use haki on his body parts easily as lufdy does
He doesn't have that haki control...he only coats his arms , he only use swords when he blocks


Thats why zoro even asks franky to shield him
Zoro is yet to use coa as fluidly as Luffy does

 

[duckman]

Zoro can't use haki on his body parts easily as lufdy does
He doesn't have that haki control...he only coats his arms , he only u swords when he attacks


Thats why zoro even asks franky to shield him
Zoro is yet to use coa as fluidly as Luffy does

Zoro used Haki to cover his arms in Movie Gold and Oda showed him doing that on a Cover page as well, no reason to assume he can't

 

[HA001]

Zoro used Haki to cover his arms in Movie Gold and Oda showed him doing that on a Cover page as well, no reason to assume he can't

Haki comes from the body. Flowing into a weapon shows better mastery than using it on your body.

 

[Uncle Van]

Where did I say that?

How do you know there was no space?

Irrelevant



Because they didn't apply force before pushing unlike Zoro who applied force enough to cause a shockwave



I backed it up with what was in the manga. Posting a panel is just extra and not a necessity to backing up a claim.
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So you admit you have no argument. Got it.

I clearly asked you for the panels of Zoro using haki to block attacks. He never used haki to block attacks so claiming its better than Luffy's for not being broken is faulty. How is that so difficult to comprehend?

If you want to claim Zoro can defeat yonko commanders, you have to show me the panels of him doing so from now on since haki panels doesnt matter apparantly.

 

[M944]

Where did I say that?

How do you know there was no space?

Irrelevant

Just look fujitora Zoro Kienemon and Kanjuro weren't alone to push the birdcage.
It is specified that citizens helped them.
It's not only marines that's worse.

Because they didn't apply force before pushing unlike Zoro who applied force enough to cause a shockwave

So you think they didn't try to push with all their powers ?
You think only zoro used all his power ?
That's sound stupid.
Birdcage won't create a shockwawe if you try to push hit no matter how much power you put.
They don't have such things in OP.

I backed it up with what was in the manga. Posting a panel is just extra and not a necessity to backing up a claim

You are the only one who saw this scene.
I guess Luffy really overpowered Rayleigh CoA.
You can't say you see something in the manga and back it up without panel.

 

[Geo]

Just look fujitora Zoro Kienemon and Kanjuro weren't alone to push the birdcage.
It is specified that citizens helped them.
It's not only marines that's worse.

So you see in that panel you've posted citizens cladding themselves and pushing the BC right?
It's right in your face. They are pushing Bart's Barrier.

So you think they didn't try to push with all their powers ?
You think only zoro used all his power ?
That's sound stupid.
Birdcage won't create a shockwawe if you try to push hit no matter how much power you put.
They don't have such things in OP.

Non of these are relevant to my point.
Unless you are claiming one can't block an attack with force

You are the only one who saw this scene.
I guess Luffy really overpowered Rayleigh CoA.
You can't say you see something in the manga and back it up without panel.

Actually I can because it is in there
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I clearly asked you for the panels of Zoro using haki to block attacks. He never used haki to block attacks so claiming its better than Luffy's for not being broken is faulty. How is that so difficult to comprehend?

If you want to claim Zoro can defeat yonko commanders, you have to show me the panels of him doing so from now on since haki panels doesnt matter apparantly.

And I've clearly told you that:
BC was an attack
Zoro clad his swords to block the BC
Zoro blocked the BC with force
His swords weren't chipped.

And I've said, Zoro's COA strength doesn't need to be hit by another person for us to determine. From Mihawk's statement, cutting huge structures and keeping your sword from chipping is a haki strength feat. Hence Zoro's haki was string enough to resist the force it took to cut a mountain sized structure several times

 

[Tripod]

Kinemon and Kanjuro have Zoro level haki<<Apoo

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

- Pica CoA = mountain level force + > Force required to cut Golem stones ( as he said ) .
and Zoro CoA didn't let his swords gets scratched and one of them is a wazamono far weaker .

 

[MD25]

How can one use the birdcage for Zorro ? If we use the birdcagefor Zorro not only is Luffy's COA massivly greater than hi to the point where a finger clad Haki would break through his entire body and blow it apart but if Luffy were to punch him Zorro would relieve his life multiple times fold. Let's stop this. Luffy' COA is massively greater. Zorro does not have Doffy's slashing and cutting power to this day at least without spamming all of his Haki.

 

[sanjikun]

Luffy specifically stated his Haki is not strong enough in Fishman Island. If Zoro, a CoA specialist, had an even weaker Haki than THAT...lol.

I think it's pretty clear Zoro had better CoA than Luffy at FI, just like Sanji had better CoO. Now that's not the case anymore for either.

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

How can one use the birdcage for Zorro ? If we use the birdcagefor Zorro not only is Luffy's COA massivly greater than hi to the point where a finger clad Haki would break through his entire body and blow it apart but if Luffy were to punch him Zorro would relieve his life multiple times fold. Let's stop this. Luffy' COA is massively greater. Zorro does not have Doffy's slashing and cutting power to this day at least without spamming all of his Haki.

- Pica CoA = mountain level force + > Force required to cut Golem stones ( as he said ) .
and Zoro CoA didn't let his swords gets scratched and one of them is a wazamono far weaker .

 

[Albino 👑]

Luffy specifically stated his Haki is not strong enough in Fishman Island. If Zoro, a CoA specialist, had an even weaker Haki than THAT...lol.

I think it's pretty clear Zoro had better CoA than Luffy at FI, just like Sanji had better CoO. Now that's not the case anymore for either.

Tbf specializing in 1 haki more than another doesn't automatically make it stronger than someone who specializes in a different one

And i don't think either zoro or sanji have shown overall better haki than luffy

Most of rayleighs training was specifically dedicated to teaching luffy haki off the bat too with it being his main focus

 

[Tripod]

Luffy specifically stated his Haki is not strong enough in Fishman Island. If Zoro, a CoA specialist, had an even weaker Haki than THAT...lol.

I think it's pretty clear Zoro had better CoA than Luffy at FI, just like Sanji had better CoO. Now that's not the case anymore for either.

When do you think it changed?

 

[M944]

So you see in that panel you've posted citizens cladding themselves and pushing the BC right?
It's right in your face. They are pushing Bart's Barrier.

Look closer Zoro's group have citizens and Bartolomeo's group have too.
Moreover they are in the opposite place from each other.
If they don't push with CoA what do you think they are using. Bartolomeo's barrier is invincible, Kairoseki is very hard.
Do you think Dressrora is entirely made with Kairoseki ?

Non of these are relevant to my point.
Unless you are claiming one can't block an attack with force

They don't try to block an attack because :
First it's ain't an attack
Second : They just try to slow it down no to stop it
Third : Even injured fodders were able to put pressure on it.

Explain why Fujitora didn't create this shockwawe ? Kinemon ? Kanjuro and so on ?

Actually I can because it is in there

Luffy overpowering Rayleigh's CoA too
So Luffy's CoA >Rayleigh's CoA>>>>>>Zoro's Coa

 

[MD25]

Bringing up Hody is useles. Luffy has gone against ridiculous slashing power and Haki power ever since, and pretty much was the strongest for the most part. I mean anything past Doffy is not a debate anymore. Oda gave Luffy Doffy first to flex how durable his Haki is because that's about the only way to fight someone like Doffy, either be uncuttable or have crazy Haki and Doffy's slashing power is so great that it even reached plothole levels. Even the most lowballed version of Doffy is as best of a cutting power you can get. The mid version is busted. The most wanked version of Doffy is above toonstatus. And Luffy scales to any of this by Dressrssa alone.
Also just a funny sidenote all character in new wolrd use Haki for everything. Bellamy hurting Luffy is funny but the poor guy was goivg all out and Luffy was conflicted plus narratively he just had to hurt Luffy in that moment. For Hody there was a lot of plot involved there too and really sometimes characters gets blitzed and can't put enough Haki even Zorro gets damaged that way and he has better control of armament Haki than Luffy for sure since the beginving of timeksip but like I said that is complete uoutler (all those moments) are now anyway you look at it Zorro wouldn't be compared to Hody or Bellamy but Doffy. I am sure Zorro is close to Doffy but that would be a Haki less Doffy while he would have to use all his Haki to replicate Doffy's cutting power who can just spam it with his DF alone at freightening "casually" levels, in casual power you could even say awakened Doffy might go as far as dwarf him even completely , let's not forget even G4 Luffy had to dodge most of it he wasn't trying to tank and bulldoze through it freely. And Luffy has been going against people which much stronger Haki than Doffy and more skilled to the point of making Doffy's' entire power be partially rivaled by the Haki alone of those guys like Cracker and Kat and for the most part Luffy's Haki was either stronger or comparable.

 

[trav]

Zoro can't use haki on his body parts easily as lufdy does

its a crutch for Luffy. for any brawler. necessary so they do not get dismembered anytime someone swings a butter knife their way.
we will rarely ever see a swordsman block with his limbs. coated or not. its not what swordsman do. they block with their weapon.
Luffy has no other choice than to block with his limbs. conveniently hes steering clear of almost all bladed weapons. well, or he gets overpowered by them. like with Cracker or with Katakuri. even Hody. Doffys slicing attacks also cut him up good.

He doesn't have that haki control...

Zoro during the TS learned to control haki in a way that Luffy barely just learned now. hes more experienced and already pulled of feats with this technique while all Luffy did was clap fodder and punch a tree.
Zoro busted a mountain and cut off a cliff. theres a huge difference in what we have seen boths CoA do and Zoro is pulling a landslide victory so far.

Thats why zoro even asks franky to shield him
Zoro is yet to use coa as fluidly as Luffy does

why waste haki when you have someone immune to most projectiles close by? Luffy would have wished for a Franky shield any time Doffy cut him and he failed to block himself. oh, and Luffy cowered behind Zoro when Hawkins attacked. so much for that.
its a moot point.

clearly asked you for the panels of Zoro using haki to block attacks.

sorry. you ask for something that does not exist.
anytime Zoro used ryou his enemies fell. one of them another Supernova.

not much to block if any of Zoros inferior haki ryou moves one shots.