Imagine actually saying Zoro had better CoA than Luffy at any point in time, while Luffy has always been in greater need of it because he fights enemies that are far stronger than the enemies Zoro fights. Zoro has never had CoA that approaches Luffy, just like Sanji has never had CoO that approaches Luffy. Has not and would not ever make any sense.
Powers & Abilities Pre-Wano Luffy CoA vs Zoro CoA
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Kinemon, kiku, etc. don't have stronger haki than luffy. They just had a skill luffy hadn't learned yet
Like marigold knows barrier haki, the kuja in general can imbue their arrows with haki, vergo can coat his whole body, most weapon users with haki can coat them with it
All skills luffy likely couldn't do
Yet it still doesn't make his armament weaker than theirs
Katakuri ulti and apoo are at the bottom the images just didn't load
Like marigold knows barrier haki, the kuja in general can imbue their arrows with haki, vergo can coat his whole body, most weapon users with haki can coat them with it
All skills luffy likely couldn't do
Yet it still doesn't make his armament weaker than theirs
Katakuri ulti and apoo are at the bottom the images just didn't load
I disagree
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/my-interpretation-of-the-haki-tiers.8413/post-813860
This thread outlines my thoughts in further detail, but in short, having a less advanced level of haki doesn't mean it cannot still be harder...
Meaning: Kinemon already knew how to control the flow of haki pre Wano, but Luffy IMO has feats that Kinemon couldn't replicate with his own haki
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/my-interpretation-of-the-haki-tiers.8413/post-813860
This thread outlines my thoughts in further detail, but in short, having a less advanced level of haki doesn't mean it cannot still be harder...
Meaning: Kinemon already knew how to control the flow of haki pre Wano, but Luffy IMO has feats that Kinemon couldn't replicate with his own haki
No way of really knowing for sure.
Zoro's Coa got much better hype but since he is a weapon user,the impact of an incoming attack he blocks is also mitigated by the quality of his blades. Sure his Coa made his blades strong enough to withstand the force behind his very attacks but that isn't a direct way of comparison of Coa strength between Luffy and Zoro.
Luffy Coa on the other hand was broken many times through out the new world from Hody to Katakuri but since luffy's mechanism of Coa defence is different from Zoro (weapons vs body),it is not really a proof of weaker armament on Luffy's part.
The enemies encountered are also a factor;Doffy,Cracker, Katakuri etc...all have above average to great armament haki while Zoro's opponents' hardening haki are nigh featless .
For a direct comparison,we will need Zoro to defend his body with armament and see what the result is.
For now,I think Zoro had the edge in Coa hardening pre Wano cause' much better hype .
Zoro's Coa got much better hype but since he is a weapon user,the impact of an incoming attack he blocks is also mitigated by the quality of his blades. Sure his Coa made his blades strong enough to withstand the force behind his very attacks but that isn't a direct way of comparison of Coa strength between Luffy and Zoro.
Luffy Coa on the other hand was broken many times through out the new world from Hody to Katakuri but since luffy's mechanism of Coa defence is different from Zoro (weapons vs body),it is not really a proof of weaker armament on Luffy's part.
The enemies encountered are also a factor;Doffy,Cracker, Katakuri etc...all have above average to great armament haki while Zoro's opponents' hardening haki are nigh featless .
For a direct comparison,we will need Zoro to defend his body with armament and see what the result is.
For now,I think Zoro had the edge in Coa hardening pre Wano cause' much better hype .
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The problem in this thread is that each of you guys are only use high end feats for your faves and use low end feats for the opposition.
Like right now you are saying you didn't know Luffy had greater armament than Oden.
Somebody will counter attack asking you if Apoo who blocked Zoro's attack has better armament than Oden himself.
At the end of the day,I think Zoro has better Coa but saying things like "Oden level haki" isn't helping us right now as controlling Enma isn't indicative of having same level of armament as Oden(at age 39),at least until he cuts Kaido.
But then again that's arguing future events in the present.
I want to see both of them using Coa in the same way(body to defend or sword for both) and then we can compare them directly.
Like right now you are saying you didn't know Luffy had greater armament than Oden.
Somebody will counter attack asking you if Apoo who blocked Zoro's attack has better armament than Oden himself.
At the end of the day,I think Zoro has better Coa but saying things like "Oden level haki" isn't helping us right now as controlling Enma isn't indicative of having same level of armament as Oden(at age 39),at least until he cuts Kaido.
But then again that's arguing future events in the present.
I want to see both of them using Coa in the same way(body to defend or sword for both) and then we can compare them directly.
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Zoro's CoA > Luffy's CoA before Udon training.
Sanji's CoO > Luffy's CoO before Katakuri fight.
Current Luffy's CoO and CoA shits on both Zoro and Sanji.
Sanji's CoO > Luffy's CoO before Katakuri fight.
Current Luffy's CoO and CoA shits on both Zoro and Sanji.
The latter was taught advanced haki but the former underwent a legit training instead, so if you believe they had similar CoAs before entering Wano then Zoro's is currently superior actually.
Also Zoro's training should have improved his physical stats in general as well.
I mean Luffy got training in Udon too ya knowSo far, I don't see Zoro using any barrier/internal haki that Luffy have been using right now but we shall see.
So far, I don't see Zoro using any barrier/internal haki that Luffy have been using right now but we shall see.
Long answer short: not applicable. They fight different opponents in much different ways. Zoro doesn't need his Haki to be stronger since he uses a weapon and not his body, but there's little room to believe that Haki alone would protect Luffy (as opposed to Haki and skill or even skill alone) if they were to fight, because Haki doesn't mean invincibility against any halfway respectable opponent. Like fucking Hody got through, come on now.
Much of this thread is an exercise in arbitrary bullshit on headcanon mathematics
Much of this thread is an exercise in arbitrary bullshit on headcanon mathematics