Powers & Abilities Oda is being very one dimensional with Kid’s power

[HopOnTheHype]

Nope it doesn't.

1 hit with Kidd still standing and then he falls down is another possibility, just like 2 hits that were less potent than Thunder Bagua is another too.

If Kid stood up and then fell down, that's already better than Luffy did.

In the end, "till they couldn't fight anymore" implies that he kept standing up. Honestly we know next to nothing about Kid except that Shanks took his arm. I'm expecting some impressive feats from him, Hawkins, and Drake when they finally get into the big fights.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Pirate alliances don’t end well and they won’t end well even in Luffy’s case, you’ll see.

You think law will betray luffy?

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Kid ain't the strongest SN. Behind Luffy and Zoro and as things stand would be lucky to be above Law

But since you prefaced it with saying in your opinion then fair enough. Still wrong though.

Kid and Luffy > Drake > Law and Hawkins > Apoo > Capone and Urouge > Killer and Zoro

Sorry not sorry.

Since your'e obsessed with Katakuri, I'll do a prediction:

Next you'll hype up Zoro cheap shotting Apoo and stalemating a nerfed Killer, along with defeating one of the creations of Hawkins.

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You think law will betray luffy?

There needs to be an asterisk on that button considering Zoro can only defeat worst gen supernova if Drake is distracting them and completely taking their attention as they desparately defend against him.

Also zoro one hits anyone he can defeat, it's kind how all swordsmanship in one piece is done. Even the people who zoro admitted were his equal or who he was weaker than until the end of the fight, were still one hits.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Kid except that Shanks took his arm

Nope. This isnt true

Kid lost his arm facing the Red hair pirates. That does not mean he ever fought shanks even once.

I can just as easily say Kid lost his arm to Rockstar

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There needs to be an asterisk on that button considering Zoro can only defeat worst gen supernova if Drake is distracting them and completely taking their attention as they desparately defend against him.

Also zoro one hits anyone he can defeat, it's kind how all swordsmanship in one piece is done. Even the people who zoro admitted were his equal or who he was weaker than until the end of the fight, were still one hits.

@HopOnTheHype How is this a reply to what i was saying

And if you wanna go down that route, you know thaat if Zoro can singlehandedly reopen Kaido's scar, that means he's even above commanders right? Among the scabbards there's a minimum of about four commander level people and together none of them could damage akido substantially with MULTPLE ATTACKS.

You realise that if Zoro with one attack can do more damage than all these guys together, that literally means he's above commanders and can one shot them as well.

You seem to be caught up in these weird haze of trying to downplay the feats on display. Good luck

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Nope. This isnt true

Kid lost his arm facing the Red hair pirates. That does not mean he ever fought shanks even once.

I can just as easily say Kid lost his arm to Rockstar

We all know Shanks is the type to accept a 1 on 1 after his crew just lets the enemy crew walk in. Big Mom sends out her henchman, Whitebeard, Kaidou, and Shanks baptize supernovas and stuff.

As evidenced by stuff like Kaidou baptizing Luffy and Kid.
Whitebeard baptizing Crocodile
And just shanks' general demeaner.

You gave me a good meme thread idea.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

We all know Shanks is the type to accept a 1 on 1 after his crew just lets the enemy crew walk in.

Shanks didnt raise a finger during the entire Chapter 1 situation. Remember. With the bandits. Lucky roo and Beckman cleared up everyone and shanks only saved luffy coz he happened to be the one to find him drowning.

The only three times Shanks actually gets involved directly when his crew is around is Akainu Mihawk and when Blackbeard tried to challenge him with his whole crew.

Now. Do you think Kid is a big enough deal like Akainu or Mihawk where Shanks has to step in? Or do you think Kid presented his whole crew and Shanks actually got shook and decided he also needed his whole crew to match up with Kid's crew? You think Killer faced Beckman, and Heaat faced Lucky roo and wire faced Yassop and Kid even had someone who could face Rockstar. Is this how you believe it went? That Beckman alone couldn't just beat all of Kid's crew together by himself?

Okay. Sure. either Kid has a crew that actually squared up to Shanks' crew so that Shanks would decide to 1v1 Kid or Kid himself is just around Akainu or Mihawk threat level that Shanks decides to fight Kid directly despite his crew being around.

This is how Shanks has operated and this is how strong you think either kid or his crew are. okay

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Shanks didnt raise a finger during the entire Chapter 1 situation. Remember. With the bandits. Lucky roo and Beckman cleared up everyone and shanks only saved luffy coz he happened to be the one to find him drowning.

The only three times Shanks actually gets involved directly when his crew is around is Akainu Mihawk and when Blackbeard tried to challenge him with his whole crew.

Now. Do you think Kid is a big enough deal like Akainu or Mihawk where Shanks has to step in? Or do you think Kid presented his whole crew and Shanks actually got shook and decided he also needed his whole crew to match up with Kid's crew? You think Killer faced Beckman, and Heaat faced Lucky roo and wire faced Yassop and Kid even had someone who could face Rockstar. Is this how you believe it went? That Beckman alone couldn't just beat all of Kid's crew together by himself?

Okay. Sure. either Kid has a crew that actually squared up to Shanks' crew so that Shanks would decide to 1v1 Kid or Kid himself is just around Akainu or Mihawk threat level that Shanks decides to fight Kid directly despite his crew being around.

This is how Shanks has operated and this is how strong you think either kid or his crew are. okay

They were lowly scumbag bandits who were kidnapping a kid.
Kid would show up, go "fight me", and Shanks would fight.

I mean Kid would have been a top commander leveled character, so either he or like ben beckman or lucky roo would have to face Kid.
I don't see Kid showing up, challenging Shanks to a fight, then Shanks sending someone else out to fight, especially if Kid wasn't doing anything like taking hostages. Shanks would absolutely take challenges.

Also there is the theory that Shanks is Kid's father.

I think Kid defeated some allied crew members of Shanks, broke into the territory, challenged Shanks, Shanks accepted, 1 v 1, no crew members fighting, Shanks crushed him and took of his arm, Killer and the others got ready to fight, Kid went "no, we're leaving" and didn't instigate things further, then took resources and stuff from Big Mom and eventually formed the alliance so that he could go back and defeat Shanks, then Kaidou showed up instead.

Oh and wasn't it implied that Kid infiltrated whole cake island and took a copy of the ponyglyph from big mom?

No, beckman couldn't defeat Kid, Killer, Heat, and Wire. Ben Beckman is reasonably the weakest yonkou first mate based on how kizaru essentially shat on him like he was trash.

Killer is around Zoro leveled, so just below yonkou top commander leveled, Kid is higher end top commander level/yonkou first mate leveled. Heat and Wire are probably like middle trio leveled.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I mean Kid would have been a top commander leveled character, so either he or like ben beckman or lucky roo would have to face Kid.

Kid lost his hand before the post time skip started. You mean Kid was as strong as Marco and company before Luffy could even defeat Doflamingo?

HEHEHEHE, what did Kid do to get this strong exactly? Like while Luffy was training with the dark king Rayleigh, Kid did what to jump to as Strong or even STRONGER THAN MARCO THE PHOENIX?

Killer is around Zoro leveled, so just below yonkou top commander leveled, Kid is higher end top commander level/yonkou first mate leveled. Heat and Wire are probably like middle trio leveled.

How strong do you think you have to be reopen Kaido's scar? Do you think Katakuri or King can do it?

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Ace Novel also says that Shanks likes putting arrogant young pirates in their place. I’m 99% sure Shanks took Kidd’s arm.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Ace Novel also says that Shanks likes putting arrogant young pirates in their place. I’m 99% sure Shanks took Kidd’s arm.

I mean who else beside Shanks is strong enough with a sword that can beat Kidd?

 

[Shisui]

I mean who else beside Shanks is strong enough with a sword that can beat Kidd?

Rockstar

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Rockstar

Rockstar who is a rookie with a bounty of 94 million can beat Kidd?

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Kid lost his hand before the post time skip started. You mean Kid was as strong as Marco and company before Luffy could even defeat Doflamingo?

HEHEHEHE, what did Kid do to get this strong exactly? Like while Luffy was training with the dark king Rayleigh, Kid did what to jump to as Strong or even STRONGER THAN MARCO THE PHOENIX?


How strong do you think you have to be reopen Kaido's scar? Do you think Katakuri or King can do it?

I mean Marco > Ben Beckman

Anyway the point is that the worst gen supernova were STRONGER than the strawhats pre timeskip. The strawhats got a bigger power up but the supernovas still got power ups, and it overall evened out to make the supernovas rivalish of luffy, but overall weaker. Like capone can take g4 hits in big father, and probably outlast a few rounds of it, but would ultimately lose while putting up a decent fight.

I mean Urouge and Drake were kind of implied to be confident enough to solo a pacifista, and were ultimately only hit by lasers that they couldn't aim dodge (drake thought he bit into it's head and it was done and got lasered while biting down on it's head, apoo smashed it up a lot and then a laser came out of the smoke to hit urouge when urouge couldn't see it. Drake only fell to a knee for one panel and then got up ready to fight, and urouge was down for like 2 pages and then was up, ready to fight.

Then Kizaru stomped them, but like, what can you expect from them at that stage? Of course they werne't admiral leveled back then, or even close.

Honestly I think kaidou will be weakened at that state + will have a willpower hit because he sees enma and gets slight ptsd, then kaidou will one hit him. Killer could probably replicate it if he had a scythe that cut kaidou in the past and kaidou was weakened + had ptsd.

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Rockstar who is a rookie with a bounty of 94 million can beat Kidd?

You laugh, until Rockstar is confirmed to be Rocks. He was literally willing to solo the whitebeard pirates including Whitebeard ;)

English dub lines:
"Just give me a little more time, I promise, I can string this guy out" (Rockstar to Shanks, talking about Whitebeard)

"Whatever it says must be important, or he wouldn't have chosen me to deliver it"

"But it's not like it's my first pirate gig, I've been around for a while"

 

[Lion of Olympus]

I have a feeling the extent of Kidd’s power is just going to be making his arm big just to parallel with G3

 

[HopOnTheHype]

I have a feeling the extent of Kidd’s power is just going to be making his arm big just to parallel with G3

I'm sure he'll have more, but I imagine his move he's going to use on kaidou is essentially just going to be that, but like, 10,0000x bigger considering all the weapons he has. Or maybe he'll pull some sort of dropping a meteor down on kaidou feat, or pull some sort of move like ishoo did while the grand fleet retreated.

 

[Guymieux]

Kidd ain't Magneto, I don't expect anything of that level from kidd.

 

[Shuyaku]

@Mr. Anderson has speculated that Kid could be rocking something that ressembles a mech suit, covering himself in metal

This will be his final form :

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Honestly I think kaidou will be weakened at that state + will have a willpower hit because he sees enma and gets slight ptsd

How come Kaido's ptsd didn't help the scabbard beat him?

Wasn't he freaking out for like 5 chapters non-stop seeing visions of oden everywhere?

How come four commander level people along with ptsd DID NOT do anything to Kaido's?

How come Kaido's says you have to be comparable to oden to reopen his scar?

And what exactly do you mean by "kaidou will be weakened"? Are you saying his durability will go down? How? Kaido diesnt use haki for durability. Its a passive df ability. Are you saying Kaido's passive ability will reduce?

For example, luffy's durability is passive to his df. Are you saying it's possible for luffy to become less rubber? Like when katakuri was beating luffy, did luffy's rubber durability reduce as the fight went on or was it just luffy's haki durability that reduced?

Also what if Zoro cuts kaido at the start of the fight?

 

[stairs-kun]

Grandmaster Zoro>Kid so it don't matter.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

How come Kaido's ptsd didn't help the scabbard beat him?

Wasn't he freaking out for like 5 chapters non-stop seeing visions of oden everywhere?

How come four commander level people along with ptsd DID NOT do anything to Kaido's?

How come Kaido's says you have to be comparable to oden to reopen his scar?

And what exactly do you mean by "kaidou will be weakened"? Are you saying his durability will go down? How? Kaido diesnt use haki for durability. Its a passive df ability. Are you saying Kaido's passive ability will reduce?

For example, luffy's durability is passive to his df. Are you saying it's possible for luffy to become less rubber? Like when katakuri was beating luffy, did luffy's rubber durability reduce as the fight went on or was it just luffy's haki durability that reduced?

Also what if Zoro cuts kaido at the start of the fight?

Because they were stricken down by him and his men fair and square in the past, Oden meanwhile with Enma wasn't.

Also like, the scabards didn't make him bleed, they just didn't give him any lifelong wounds.

Are you claiming that kaidou doesn't know how to use haki? Also as someone's willpower goes down, so too does all their stats and defense, and as someone is weakened by a rough fight, so too does their defense.

I mean, zoro isn't going to cut kaidou at the start of the fight, so it's kind of a moot point.

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Grandmaster Zoro>Kid so it don't matter.

Must be nice to coast on Drake's overwhelming power to get some cheap potshots in.

Zoro can fight the henchman while Kid goes after the big prey.