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Yo boys since we coming close to the legendary flashback with God valley(I hope it), how you guys would put these characters in powerlvl?
Xebec,Roger,Primebeard,Shiki,Bigmom,Kaido,Garp,Sengoku and the others?
Do you guys believe Xebec,Roger and Primebeard where on their on lvl? Like top top tier?
Yo boys since we coming close to the legendary flashback with God valley(I hope it), how you guys would put these characters in powerlvl?
Xebec,Roger,Primebeard,Shiki,Bigmom,Kaido,Garp,Sengoku and the others?
Do you guys believe Xebec,Roger and Primebeard where on their on lvl? Like top top tier?
True. Oda takes inspiration from mythologies, he doesn’t copy-paste them into his manga. It works the same way for Mythical Zoan, they have a specific form/ability that finds its origin in a mythology but the tale surrounding it is left aside.
So maybe Kaido is a mythical carp that can turn into a dragon but that would have to be the awakening or something.
So maybe Kaido is a mythical carp that can turn into a dragon but that would have to be the awakening or something.
Makes you really wonder why Oda did not just leave it at an eastern dragon fruit.
Perhaps he really just wanted to bypass that sea weakness and therefore chose to go with a leviathan like being.
Whereas "fish" basically just stands for "sea water creature". Cause let's be honest the average Joe doesn't know anything about underwater species in detail. Like I don't even know one type of Octupus by name.
But what's bugging me are all those different elemental powers he got and especially that "dragon flame" ability. And what' s up with those Shenron like dragon horns on his head.
Hopefully this all adds up somehow with the actual reveal of its name.
Perhaps he really just wanted to bypass that sea weakness and therefore chose to go with a leviathan like being.
Whereas "fish" basically just stands for "sea water creature". Cause let's be honest the average Joe doesn't know anything about underwater species in detail. Like I don't even know one type of Octupus by name.
But what's bugging me are all those different elemental powers he got and especially that "dragon flame" ability. And what' s up with those Shenron like dragon horns on his head.
Hopefully this all adds up somehow with the actual reveal of its name.
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Like the scaling and it make sense, we know Whitebeard reach his prime later.
In that case how I see the tiering during god valley:
Top top tier Xebec
High top tier Roger
High top tier Garp
High top tier Whitebeard
Mid top tier Big mom
Low top tier Kaido
Low top tier Shiki
I think Roger,Garp,Whitebeard hit the top top tier lvl few years later, I think Big mom hit high top tier also later.
In that case how I see the tiering during god valley:
Top top tier Xebec
High top tier Roger
High top tier Garp
High top tier Whitebeard
Mid top tier Big mom
Low top tier Kaido
Low top tier Shiki
I think Roger,Garp,Whitebeard hit the top top tier lvl few years later, I think Big mom hit high top tier also later.
The thing is it pretty much is an Eastern dragon fruit.
Eastern dragons are deeply related to the sea. Even though there are many variants of it, not only they have many traits of water animals (carp scales, catfish whiskers, lobster eyes) but crustaceans (especially lobsters, crayfish, shrimp...) are commonly associated to them in most if not all Eastern cultures, and in One Piece speciffically it's common that they are referred in aquatic contexts (Luffy thinks Momonosuke is an eel when transformed, Neptune's kingdom is called Ryugu and the palace has a huge dragon statue, Alabasta's baths had dragon-shaped fountains...).
There were pretty much two options with the dragon fruit:
1) Make it related to fishes or sea animals in general because of their deep cultural connections.
2) Follow a semantic approach with the "ryu" family as in saurians and make it the mythical model of what some Western readers know as "Dragon Dragon fruit", which so far only contains dinosaurs and pterosaurs.
Odds are Oda just followed the first option and the "Ryu Ryu" family was mistranslated and should have been called "Saurian Saurian" because the author didn't name it because of the ryu as dragon but the "ryu" as a particle in many Japanese reptile names like lizards, dinosaurs or pterosaurs.
Eastern dragons are deeply related to the sea. Even though there are many variants of it, not only they have many traits of water animals (carp scales, catfish whiskers, lobster eyes) but crustaceans (especially lobsters, crayfish, shrimp...) are commonly associated to them in most if not all Eastern cultures, and in One Piece speciffically it's common that they are referred in aquatic contexts (Luffy thinks Momonosuke is an eel when transformed, Neptune's kingdom is called Ryugu and the palace has a huge dragon statue, Alabasta's baths had dragon-shaped fountains...).
There were pretty much two options with the dragon fruit:
1) Make it related to fishes or sea animals in general because of their deep cultural connections.
2) Follow a semantic approach with the "ryu" family as in saurians and make it the mythical model of what some Western readers know as "Dragon Dragon fruit", which so far only contains dinosaurs and pterosaurs.
Odds are Oda just followed the first option and the "Ryu Ryu" family was mistranslated and should have been called "Saurian Saurian" because the author didn't name it because of the ryu as dragon but the "ryu" as a particle in many Japanese reptile names like lizards, dinosaurs or pterosaurs.
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Xebec >= Roger >= Prime Garp = Primebeard >= Sengoku = Bigmom > Kaido
These are the powerlevels of 40 years ago from my perspective. I put Kaido so low as he was just an apprentice at that time and should, in turn, be the weakest out of these top tiers. Probably as strong as current Luffy. He even got his devil fruit after the incident. If it were to be current Big Mom and Kaido, I would put them being equal to at least Prime Garp/Primebeard.
These are the powerlevels of 40 years ago from my perspective. I put Kaido so low as he was just an apprentice at that time and should, in turn, be the weakest out of these top tiers. Probably as strong as current Luffy. He even got his devil fruit after the incident. If it were to be current Big Mom and Kaido, I would put them being equal to at least Prime Garp/Primebeard.
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