Character Discussion Better portrayal: Marco vs Katakuri
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Marco that is respected by everyone alike, Strongest Man WB first mate, only FM that served as 5th Emperor, needed to be distracted and restrained to keep him down by even Admirals.
While other can't put down Luffy in God knows how many hits, n gets taken in dozen hits. Has low bounty of just 1B something.
Portrayal is quite one sided in Marco favour. Katakuri is just a frog in a small pond with Invincible title, while Marco has served and fought all types of opponents, has vast experience n gradually trolls two YCs in latest chapter.
While other can't put down Luffy in God knows how many hits, n gets taken in dozen hits. Has low bounty of just 1B something.
Portrayal is quite one sided in Marco favour. Katakuri is just a frog in a small pond with Invincible title, while Marco has served and fought all types of opponents, has vast experience n gradually trolls two YCs in latest chapter.
bm doesn't even need protection unlike sickbeardShe herself said it
And her CoC works
What an useless argument
At the end of the day, kata will never be choked
Katakuri's track record ended the moment post WCI Luffy who defeated Katakuri got one shotted by Kaido
On the other hand, Marco clashed with multiple top tiers in the war of the best looking fine, clashed with Katakuri's mom/captain who herself admitted not to want to waste her weapons against him, chocked a YC1+YC2 together with the latter calling him invincible, was viewed as one of the few who could stop Teach in becoming a yonko, with his defeat being the reason he was acknowledged as one
Pretty clear then who has better feats and portrayal
On the other hand, Marco clashed with multiple top tiers in the war of the best looking fine, clashed with Katakuri's mom/captain who herself admitted not to want to waste her weapons against him, chocked a YC1+YC2 together with the latter calling him invincible, was viewed as one of the few who could stop Teach in becoming a yonko, with his defeat being the reason he was acknowledged as one
Pretty clear then who has better feats and portrayal
I think over the piece Marco has slightly better portrayal. I reckon it’s still close between all the YC1’s, even as hysterically funny and embarrassing as Marco treating King and Queen was King will go on to show much more impressive things in the future.
Katakuri suffers slightly imo by having very localised hype, by his siblings. And Brûlée has admitted she knew it was just a part he was playing to protect them. Katakuri’s performance would be a lot stronger if we actually knew what his undefeated record meant- who had he fought, does that include draws. Not to say he’s a fraud- he clearly is one of the strongest characters in the series, all things considered, only the top tiers are definitively above him.
But Oda’s had the chance to associate Katakuri’s hype with known qualities, and he hasn’t done it. The strongest example of what I mean by this is the chapter where Shanks meets Whitebeard. Going into that chapter, we knew that Whitebeard was the WSM, and the only one who had fought Roger and lived (that has since been discovered to be a wee bit of an exaggeration by Buggy, but we didn’t know that at the time.) We had discovered only a few chapters before that Shanks was also considered one of these Emperor type pirates, who are the most powerful and in the New World. And in that chapter
-Shanks notices Marco and asks him to join his crew
-Whitebeard reminisces about the duels between Shanks and Mihawk -Whitebeard hypes up Sengoku and Garp as leftovers of the great era with Roger
-Shanks says that he knows Ace is strong
-Shanks drops the big bombshell that Blackbeard was the one who scarred him
Because these are all known quantities to the reader, with a big role in the overarching plot, it‘s great hype for everyone involved. Marco’s gotten a lot of this in his time- clashing with the Admirals, Gorosei naming him above the other WB Pirates, him being the one the Minks want to fight in the war, BM, who is exceedingly stingy in handing out praise, implying she’s had a reasonably high opinion of him, blah blah.
Oda’s never taken that route with Katakuri, and he has had the opportunity. He could gave us examples of Katakuri’s undefeated record, saying something like “even in fights against the Whitebeard Pirates or Roger Pirates, he’s never touched the floor!” or examples of powerful pirates he’s beaten or been undefeated against. But we never got anything like that. In the chapter where Luffy was named Fifth Emperor, it could have been emphasised that Luffy managed to defeat the undefeatable Katakuri- instead he’s just lumped together with Cracker as Big Mom’s officers. Some of the Beast Pirates could react with apprehension or awe about Luffy beating Katakuri- nada. It’s little things like that that make me put Marco above Katakuri.
That all might sound really harsh and like I’m saying that Katakuri is a total fraud, again, that’s not what I’m saying. Marco vs Katakuri is in my opinion an extreme diff for Marco. When Oda decides to hype a character, he doesn’t really do dehyping, it‘s the fans who nitpick like I’ve done above. But I do feel Oda could have made an effort to solidify Katakuri’s hype, which would put him above the other YC1’s, and he has not done it.
When it comes to actual feats Katakuri is both blessed and cursed in that no other YC will have anywhere close to a fight of the length that Katakuri had, meaning he got to show off more, and also cursed in that he fought the protagonist so was obviously going to lose. CoC as an argument I’m happy to completely ignore until Wano is over- Katakuri showed it out of nowhere near the very end of a long fight, and showed nothing overly special with it.
Katakuri suffers slightly imo by having very localised hype, by his siblings. And Brûlée has admitted she knew it was just a part he was playing to protect them. Katakuri’s performance would be a lot stronger if we actually knew what his undefeated record meant- who had he fought, does that include draws. Not to say he’s a fraud- he clearly is one of the strongest characters in the series, all things considered, only the top tiers are definitively above him.
But Oda’s had the chance to associate Katakuri’s hype with known qualities, and he hasn’t done it. The strongest example of what I mean by this is the chapter where Shanks meets Whitebeard. Going into that chapter, we knew that Whitebeard was the WSM, and the only one who had fought Roger and lived (that has since been discovered to be a wee bit of an exaggeration by Buggy, but we didn’t know that at the time.) We had discovered only a few chapters before that Shanks was also considered one of these Emperor type pirates, who are the most powerful and in the New World. And in that chapter
-Shanks notices Marco and asks him to join his crew
-Whitebeard reminisces about the duels between Shanks and Mihawk -Whitebeard hypes up Sengoku and Garp as leftovers of the great era with Roger
-Shanks says that he knows Ace is strong
-Shanks drops the big bombshell that Blackbeard was the one who scarred him
Because these are all known quantities to the reader, with a big role in the overarching plot, it‘s great hype for everyone involved. Marco’s gotten a lot of this in his time- clashing with the Admirals, Gorosei naming him above the other WB Pirates, him being the one the Minks want to fight in the war, BM, who is exceedingly stingy in handing out praise, implying she’s had a reasonably high opinion of him, blah blah.
Oda’s never taken that route with Katakuri, and he has had the opportunity. He could gave us examples of Katakuri’s undefeated record, saying something like “even in fights against the Whitebeard Pirates or Roger Pirates, he’s never touched the floor!” or examples of powerful pirates he’s beaten or been undefeated against. But we never got anything like that. In the chapter where Luffy was named Fifth Emperor, it could have been emphasised that Luffy managed to defeat the undefeatable Katakuri- instead he’s just lumped together with Cracker as Big Mom’s officers. Some of the Beast Pirates could react with apprehension or awe about Luffy beating Katakuri- nada. It’s little things like that that make me put Marco above Katakuri.
That all might sound really harsh and like I’m saying that Katakuri is a total fraud, again, that’s not what I’m saying. Marco vs Katakuri is in my opinion an extreme diff for Marco. When Oda decides to hype a character, he doesn’t really do dehyping, it‘s the fans who nitpick like I’ve done above. But I do feel Oda could have made an effort to solidify Katakuri’s hype, which would put him above the other YC1’s, and he has not done it.
When it comes to actual feats Katakuri is both blessed and cursed in that no other YC will have anywhere close to a fight of the length that Katakuri had, meaning he got to show off more, and also cursed in that he fought the protagonist so was obviously going to lose. CoC as an argument I’m happy to completely ignore until Wano is over- Katakuri showed it out of nowhere near the very end of a long fight, and showed nothing overly special with it.
You're confusing WCI Luffy with Wano Luffy.
Kaido one shotting Katakuri would be the highlight of his life as a pirate lol. It’d be the luckiest day of his pirate life if Katakuri didn’t beat him to death first.
