Powers & Abilities Should Zoro deserve to be equal with Luffy in Strength?

[Fn Lucci]

Physical feat- Destroying half of Dressrosa in one punch with his King Kong gun (which is, in all probability, even stronger now)

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Speed feat- The whole G4 Snakeman form was on another level in terms of speed.

Zoro hasn't shown any feats which are near both of these. Yes, maybe anger was something that fucked him up against Kaido in the last round but I won't trust you if you say that Luffy doesn't look the calmest he ever has, in Chapter 1000.


Yes, it is. Dude can look into the future, lol. What else do you need in a fight? Only thing is that he needs to be calm and as I said earlier, he looked super calm-minded last chapter.


Luffy isn't getting struck out in one move, lmfao. He's the one defeating Kaido. (If this is indeed the last round)

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No, because endurance is Zoro's thing, Other than that, Luffy fucks him up in almost every other aspect of the fight.

The problem with your speed feat is that it depends on an arbitrary level of speed with nothing for a comparison. Snakeman is top speed but we haven't seen anything like a top speed for Zoro. We haven't seen Zoro at that speed but the idea that he can't compete with it is based on nothing. When I posted Luffy being impressed with Zoro's instant kill shot in Wano, it's wasn't to suggest a comparison but to say that Zoro is quick enough to impress Luffy.

As for the power... LMAO. You don't remember the hyperbolic statements about the Golem? Look

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Zoro cut that one thing at the waist. Is it the same or better? Who the hell knows because Oda doesn't adhere to a true size scale. But it's easily comparable, especially since Zoro doesn't have an overdrive power... that leaves him depleted.

Like I'm not saying Gear 4 isn't strong but Doflamingo, Cracker, Big Mom, Katakuri, and Kaido have all withstood its strength long enough to beat it or watch it fade in the first round. The only time he beat someone with it cleanly was a number, lol. Even if you swear that cutting Pica or other feats don't show a comparable output, Zoro can do it all day so that stamina is his own advantage.

 

[Kromage911]

The problem with your speed feat is that it depends on an arbitrary level of speed with nothing for a comparison. Snakeman is top speed but we haven't seen anything like a top speed for Zoro. We haven't seen Zoro at that speed but the idea that he can't compete with it is based on nothing. When I posted Luffy being impressed with Zoro's instant kill shot in Wano, it's wasn't to suggest a comparison but to say that Zoro is quick enough to impress Luffy.

As for the power... LMAO. You don't remember the hyperbolic statements about the Golem? Look

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Zoro cut that one thing at the waist. Is it the same or better? Who the hell knows because Oda doesn't adhere to a true size scale. But it's easily comparable, especially since Zoro doesn't have an overdrive power... that leaves him depleted.

Like I'm not saying Gear 4 isn't strong but Doflamingo, Cracker, Big Mom, Katakuri, and Kaido have all withstood its strength long enough to beat it or watch it fade in the first round. The only time he beat someone with it cleanly was a number, lol. Even if you swear that cutting Pica or other feats don't show a comparable output, Zoro can do it all day so that stamina is his own advantage.

Good points for the most part but need more Zoro action to confirm anything at this point. It's almost entirely portrayal at this point except the Pica fight and portrayal is extremely subjective. Also, maybe I'm forgetting something but when did Zoro get an amazing stamina feat? It was Luffy who fought with Katakuri for 12 hours. When did Zoro get a long fight?

 

[Fn Lucci]

Zoro's stamina is in finishing fights on his feet. It's not like he fights opponents essentially stronger than who Luffy fights but you can't make the case of him not handling the opposition if he's not as greatly challenged by what he does face.

Also I like the Katakuri fight but achievement wise it's pretty dubious. I mean the end is Katakuri choosing to appear defeated. Zoro has never had to endure an all night ass kicking in victory or defeat (unless we're getting into the time he ate all of the knocked out Luffy's pain and fatigue in addition to his own) but then he also hasn't had that look of uncertain fear at the conclusion as we saw when Luffy got up to find Katakuri standing.

 

[Kromage911]

Zoro's stamina is in finishing fights on his feet. It's not like he fights opponents essentially stronger than who Luffy fights but you can't make the case of him not handling the opposition if he's not as greatly challenged by what he does face.

Also I like the Katakuri fight but achievement wise it's pretty dubious. I mean the end is Katakuri choosing to appear defeated. Zoro has never had to endure an all night ass kicking in victory or defeat (unless we're getting into the time he ate all of the knocked out Luffy's pain and fatigue in addition to his own) but then he also hasn't had that look of uncertain fear at the conclusion as we saw when Luffy got up to find Katakuri standing.

But that isn't really telling us anything about his stamina, is it? We just know that his endurance is really good.

I'm not debating on who won the Katakuri fight but it's just a great stamina feat for Luffy when he's being able to fight for this long.

Also, Luffy's opponents have been way stronger than Zoro's, at least since the TS. Zoro hasn't even gotten any serious fight yet. This fight vs Kaido is the best way we can scale them together.

 

[Fn Lucci]

But that isn't really telling us anything about his stamina, is it? We just know that his endurance is really good.

I'm not debating on who won the Katakuri fight but it's just a great stamina feat for Luffy when he's being able to fight for this long.

Also, Luffy's opponents have been way stronger than Zoro's, at least since the TS. Zoro hasn't even gotten any serious fight yet. This fight vs Kaido is the best way we can scale them together.

Yeah. The thing that's crazy to us though is that Zoro is the beast who jumps right into a fight with Kaido without the humble crawl up the ladder. Like Enma really isn't an excuse for him facing a guy who dropped Mr Future Sight like he's Mr Hindsight

This is our first real measure but it's not really fair to overlook what Oda has deliberately shown us. Luffy encountered Hyozo, Monet, Fujitora, Apoo, and Queen... didn't look more respectable than Zoro in those cases. When Zoro shows up, he will flex and eyes are guaranteed to bulge

 

[Hades]

I don't recall the bit where Zoro is on the ground dismembered and crying over his L

stop reading Zoro piece....and more importantly don't forget Mihawk vs Zoro

 

[HA001]

But that isn't really telling us anything about his stamina, is it? We just know that his endurance is really good.

I'm not debating on who won the Katakuri fight but it's just a great stamina feat for Luffy when he's being able to fight for this long.

Also, Luffy's opponents have been way stronger than Zoro's, at least since the TS. Zoro hasn't even gotten any serious fight yet. This fight vs Kaido is the best way we can scale them together.

We just gonna forget the breaks he took.

 

[Kromage911]

We just gonna forget the breaks he took.

That's kinda impressive anyway.

 

[HA001]

That's kinda impressive anyway.

Well its not cause he left the mirror world so kata couldnt chase him.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

stop reading Zoro piece....and more importantly don't forget Mihawk vs Zoro

he wasnt dismembered

 

[Fn Lucci]

stop reading Zoro piece....and more importantly don't forget Mihawk vs Zoro

It's ironic if you're mentioning reading. Hades, did you pay attention to the post you quoted? It was in response to a dude comparing Dressrosa Law to Dressrosa Zoro. So you have no point in bringing up Mihawk. Someone else had the same dumb response but yours is like two days later.

 

[uyuu]

Lmfao wb didnt beat akainu he fuckin snuck him. How can you surpass someone you need help to beat ? If luffys gonna be stronger why does he need the help ?

He doesn't need help actually, on the contrary, its the others who also have beef with Kaidou and Luffy doesn't have the luxury of refusing their help.

Luffy's powerlevel isn't affected by their help, Current Luffy already effortlessly dodged and even counterattacked Kaidou's sneak attack scenario, something Oden failed to do in the past in the hostage situation, and caused an extent of damage that shocks BM and Kaidou, which the scabbards failed to do. So yeah, Zoro is not Luffy's equal, its exactly because Luffy performed too well against Kaidou, that Zoro's supporters suddenly hope for Zoro to be at that level because of wishful thinking.