Powers & Abilities Is Law and the Ope Ope no Mi fair game in the WSS competition?

wym his swordmanship is mediocre
do you think he cuts up punk hazard like he did with mediocre swordsmanship?
Law has a non-graded sword which he didn't even coat in Haki, yet bisected Vergo through his super hard Haki (this is how the vivre card labels his Haki) and the entire mountain of Punk Hazard in the process. And he would've accomplished the same with a knife too. So yes, Law bisecting Vergo along with the mountain is by no means a demonstration of how good of a swordsman Law is.
 
still makes him a swordsman
and that has never stopped zoro in viewing his opponents as such
whether you want to call it icing on the cake or not. just like fujitora.
if anyone should be blamed, its Oda. dude always introduces meh abilities in the series in term of hax. the moment we got something as mediocre as spatial manipulation it got ppls panties twisted "muh hax":whitepress:
bitch pls spatial manip is nothing fancy at least at the level OPverse operate:kayneshrug:
 
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Law has a non-graded sword which he didn't even coat in Haki, yet bisected Vergo through his super hard Haki (this is how the vivre card labels his Haki) and the entire mountain of Punk Hazard in the process. And he would've accomplished the same with a knife too. So yes, Law bisecting Vergo along with the mountain is by no means a demonstration of how good of a swordsman Law is.
Actually he probably used haki since Vergo’s haki was supposed to bypass his power. If it didn’t, it should mean Law used haki and his CoA was stronger than Vergo’s.
 
Law has a non-graded sword which he didn't even coat in Haki, yet bisected Vergo through his super hard Haki (this is how the vivre card labels his Haki) and the entire mountain of Punk Hazard in the process. And he would've accomplished the same with a knife too. So yes, Law bisecting Vergo along with the mountain is by no means a demonstration of how good of a swordsman Law is.
haki doesnt have to be coated ( tashigi, sanji)
not once did fujitora coat his blade in haki
does that mean he is a mediocre swordsman at best ?
knowing fully well he became an admiral likely without his df which he just seemed to have got shortly before dressrossa.

its not mediocre
just means swordsmen without op df have to do a lot more to achieve the same result than law does.
 
Oda would never strip off the WSS title of Mihawk because Law stole his sword with shambles and cut him into 10 pieces with Radio Knife. Or do you believe he would? Oda won't ever use Law in the context of the WSS debate. The Marines in the Novel did neither. They compared Zoro to Vista, Shanks and Mihawk based on him cutting Pica, but they didn't mention Law at all judging his performance against Doflamingo, even though Law had higher importance in that arc.

Actually he probably used haki
haki doesnt have to be coated ( tashigi, sanji)
No, Law didn't use Haki. We know Law can use koka. He turned his arms black when blocking Doffy's strings. Doffy was confident that Vergo's Haki will be strong enough to withstand Law's ability, without taking Law's Haki into account. But Law has disproven them, his DF was stronger.
not once did fujitora coat his blade in haki
He did, when stalling the birdcage.
 
Oda would never strip off the WSS title of Mihawk because Law stole his sword with shambles and cut him into 10 pieces with Radio Knife. Or do you believe he would? Oda won't ever use Law in the context of the WSS debate. The Marines in the Novel did neither. They compared Zoro to Vista, Shanks and Mihawk based on him cutting Pica, but they didn't mention Law at all judging his performance against Doflamingo, even though Law had higher importance in that arc.



No, Law didn't use Haki. We know Law can use koka. He turned his arms black when blocking Doffy's strings. Doffy was confident that Vergo's Haki will be strong enough to withstand Law's ability, without taking Law's Haki into account. But Law has disproven them, his DF was stronger.

He did, when stalling the birdcage.
tashigi didn t coated her sword when she cut monet :cheers: or kinemon or scabbards when they cut kaido
 
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Yeah, these spoon memes are nonsensical. Since no one disagrees with the fact that Law is at his best with a sword and a sword is a better weapon than a knife or a spoon. The point still stands, that the vast majority of his power comes from his DF and has nothing to do with the sword. The sword is a side ability, the icing on the cake.
That’s not really an argument though. You can literally apply to that any relevant swordsman worth his salt.

The vast majority of Zoro’s power comes from his physical strength, speed and haki.

The vast majority of Brook’s power comes from his DF ability, hyponotizing music and speed.


The vast majority of Law’s power comes from his DF and his haki.

All 3 use swordsmanship to put those abilities to use during combat. That’s the case with Law as well.
Sabo enhances his previous fighting style with the Mera Mera no Mi. But Law isn't enhancing anything. Cutting things is purely his DF ability. The cutting comes from his DF alone. That's why he cuts through Vergo's super hard Haki and an entire mountain in the process, using a hakiless, non-graded sword.
His sword swing was what channeled the severing power of his fruit though, you can’t just say his swordsmanship is playing absolutely no role in how he fights. There’s no reason to assume abilities like his amputate and others will be utilized in the same manner if he had a different fighting style.

Like Law ain’t just gonna swing his right arm and make a clean horizontal cut.
 
tashigi didn t coated her sword when she cut monet :cheers: or kinemon or scabbards when they cut kaido
But the usage of Haki was implied, since you cannot hurt Logias nor Kaido without Haki. But in Law's case the narrative was "Vergo's Haki is strong enough to withstand Law's DF", Doffy didn't take Law's Haki into account at all. And Law disproved them by showing his DF is stronger.

The burden of proof is upon you. If he used Haki, feel free to prove it.

The vast majority of Zoro’s power comes from his physical strength, speed and haki.
It's not the same. Because physical strength, speed and Haki are essential for swordsmanship. Kuina said she will never be able to compete with male swordsmen because she lacks the physical strength. Haki is essential too; Hyogoro explained that the swordsman becomes one with his blade through Ryou and is able to cut what he desires. With Mihawk emphasizing that every nick on your blade is a shame. It's still cutting technique that is amplified by his physical strength. That's why Zoro asked Mihawk "teach me the way of the sword" and not "help me get physically stronger".

For Law, it is an entirely different story. It is spatial hax. His sword has nothing to do with it. He obviously uses a sword because it's the best weapon for him and he fights at his best with a sword, but still, his DF abilities have nothing to do with the sword. He can basically use any sharp instrument to perform things like Amputate. Because the tool only draws the trajectory of the cut. The cut isn't even a real cut but separation. Because the cut doesn't harm you, you can reassemble again. A cut would assume harm. Law just pulls you into pieces like Lego without harming you.
 
Oda would never strip off the WSS title of Mihawk because Law stole his sword with shambles and cut him into 10 pieces with Radio Knife. Or do you believe he would? Oda won't ever use Law in the context of the WSS debate. The Marines in the Novel did neither. They compared Zoro to Vista, Shanks and Mihawk based on him cutting Pica, but they didn't mention Law at all judging his performance against Doflamingo, even though Law had higher importance in that arc.
Alright so let's say Law beats Mihawk by doing what you just said. Why would Mihawk still be the WSS despite just losing to another swordsman?
 
Oda would never strip off the WSS title of Mihawk because Law stole his sword with shambles and cut him into 10 pieces with Radio Knife. Or do you believe he would? Oda won't ever use Law in the context of the WSS debate. The Marines in the Novel did neither. They compared Zoro to Vista, Shanks and Mihawk based on him cutting Pica, but they didn't mention Law at all judging his performance against Doflamingo, even though Law had higher importance in that arc.



No, Law didn't use Haki. We know Law can use koka. He turned his arms black when blocking Doffy's strings. Doffy was confident that Vergo's Haki will be strong enough to withstand Law's ability, without taking Law's Haki into account. But Law has disproven them, his DF was stronger.

He did, when stalling the birdcage.
ah yeah forgot the birdcage


regardless much like law, he hasnt displayed anything above what you would describe above mediocre swordsmanship


conclusion wasnt simply his "df "was stronger . thats assuming every scrub with a knife and ope ope no mi cuts vergo
law was stronger .

assuming law didnt use haki cause it wasnt coated isnt confirmation
I will try and look for panels where haki wasnt coated with some characters but very prevalent
give me a few.


kozuki oden



kozuki oden with hardening


which attack was stronger
 
Alright so let's say Law beats Mihawk by doing what you just said. Why would Mihawk still be the WSS despite just losing to another swordsman?
For the same reason why an armored boxer equipped with knifes and machine guns would not be considered the strongest boxer because he shot a bare handed boxer down.

Would Law technically be the WSS? Maybe. Narratively? Oda would never pull that off.
 
ah yeah forgot the birdcage


regardless much like law, he hasnt displayed anything above what you would describe above mediocre swordsmanship


conclusion wasnt simply his "df "was stronger . thats assuming every scrub with a knife and ope ope no mi cuts vergo
law was stronger .

assuming law didnt use haki cause it wasnt coated isnt confirmation
I will try and look for panels where haki wasnt coated with some characters but very prevalent
give me a few.


kozuki oden



kozuki oden with hardening


which attack was stronger
 
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