Current Events Establishing why Luffy will end up beating Kaido in a 1 on 1

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Bogard

Bogard

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#61
#61
Cinera said:
Do you expect the other Supernova to be defeated?
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Yes
How do you figure Big Mom plays into this? She also wants to kill Luffy, and Luffy has preexisting conflicts with her.Wano is not like Alabasta or Dressrosa with one sole clear antagonist. I'm not sure how well the story can accommodate a dedicated 1 vs 1 between Luffy and Kaido to resolve things.
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Whatever Oda will do with Big Mom is still unknown, but she isn't even mentioned in the prophecy, with Kaido being the antagonist that need to be defeat to save Wano, with Luffy being the one to carry the burden of Oden and the scabbards to beat Kaido and free Wano, so for these reasons then, i believe that whatever Big Mom will do, will have no impact with Luffy, whose sole focus will be Kaido

Furthermore, for this battle specifically, the narrative is about the Supernova beating the Yonkou, not just Luffy defeating Kaido. That's not the prophecy being prescribed.
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The prophecy say this because they'd be the keypoints in the battle, but it can happen with Luffy still ending up beating Kaido in a 1 on 1 at the same time, just like how the alliance between Luffy and Law was considered together in the donquixote pirates' defeat, but Luffy ultimately beating Doflamingo in a 1 on 1, so the SNs will get their contribution in the fight, but Luffy will be the one to beat Kaido in a 1 on 1. Oden also said Wano and the entire world was waiting for a figure they'd have to work with


And i believe that figure is supposed to be the reincarnation of Joyboy who happens to be Luffy: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...ncient-weapons-and-the-world-government.2029/

Who is carrying the burden of Oden and his scabbards, and attempting to accomplish Ace's will in his stead




It was also the purpose of Yamato saying it was fate that brought Luffy here while highlighting the significance of the D word in his name



Who also originally thought Ace would be the leader of the group(with it ultimately being Luffy)

And even in the latest chapter, despite Luffy coming out the last, the rest of the SNs didn't move an inch infront of the 2 yonko, with Law only deciding to teleport the scabbards away the moment Luffy request him to

With the moment Luffy comes, he passes by both of the yonko, with Kaido deciding to target Luffy right away, just like the leader of group.

Point then is that, yes the SNs will have their contribution in the fight, just like the prophecy implied, but ultimately the one who'd get the most contribution will be the strongest of them, Joyboy's reincarnation, who will end up beating Kaido in a 1 on 1
 
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Jo_Ndule

#62
#62
Bogard said:
Yes
Whatever Oda will do with Big Mom is still unknown, but she isn't even mentioned in the prophecy, with Kaido being the antagonist that need to be defeat to save Wano, with Luffy being the one to carry the burden of Oden and the scabbards to beat Kaido and free Wano, so for these reasons then, i believe that whatever Big Mom will do, will have no impact with Luffy, whose sole focus will be Kaido

The prophecy say this because they'd be the keypoints in the battle, but it can happen with Luffy still ending up beating Kaido in a 1 on 1 at the same time, just like how the alliance between Luffy and Law was considered together in the donquixote pirates' defeat, but Luffy ultimately beating Doflamingo in a 1 on 1, so the SNs will get their contribution in the fight, but Luffy will be the one to beat Kaido in a 1 on 1. Oden also said Wano and the entire world was waiting for a figure they'd have to work with


And i believe that figure is supposed to be the reincarnation of Joyboy who happens to be Luffy: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...ncient-weapons-and-the-world-government.2029/

Who is carrying the burden of Oden and his scabbards, and attempting to accomplish Ace's will in his stead




It was also the purpose of Yamato saying it was fate that brought Luffy here while highlighting the significance of the D word in his name



Who also originally thought Ace would be the leader of the group(with it ultimately being Luffy)

And even in the latest chapter, despite Luffy coming out the last, the rest of the SNs didn't move an inch infront of the 2 yonko, with Law only deciding to teleport the scabbards away the moment Luffy request him to

With the moment Luffy comes, he passes by both of the yonko, with Kaido deciding to target Luffy right away, just like the leader of group.

Point then is that, yes the SNs will have their contribution in the fight, just like the prophecy implied, but ultimately the one who'd get the most contribution will be the strongest of them, Joyboy's reincarnation, who will end up beating Kaido in a 1 on 1
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One mistake,

Law wasn't a Conqueror that's why the battle ended only between Luffy and Doffy. So far Oda has been making Conquerors have their battles alone at the end even back in Old eras.

I don't see how Kidd will be shafted away.

Yes Luffy might have 1 v 1 against weakened Kaido but if Kidd isn't taking down Linlin then
Kidd and Luffy will both land the finishing blows on kaido.

Kaido isn't Luffy's Accomplishments alone but SNs trio , especially kidd and Luffy.
BM and Kata are Luffy's
WB and Ace were Teach's
Shanks will be beaten by Teach or Kidd.

WB ---> Teach
Kaido ---> Luffy, Kidd & Law
BM ---> Luffy
Shanks ---> Teach/Kidd
Katakuri ---> Luffy
Doffy ---> Luffy & Law
Ace ---> Teach


WBP defeat came from Teach,
BMP will fall because of Luffy
BP will fall because of SN alliance
Shanks will fall because of Teach or Kidd or both.

Teach, Kidd, Law and Luffy are Main players
Especially Teach, Kidd and Luffy ... there's no way Oda gives Luffy 1 v 1 against Kaido with Kidd doing nothing to match that....
That will mean, kidd gotta take down weakened Linlin here.
 
Mugiwara56

Mugiwara56

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#64
Of course Luffy will have his 1 vs 1 against Kaido at some point the other supernovas like Zoro Law Kid and Killer go with Luffy to deal serious damage to Kaido to weaken him but Luffy will be the one who will have his 1 vs 1 against Kaido.

We all know it's going to happen like that. Luffy is the leader of this alliance and the strongest they all waited for Luffy to come last on the roof because they know Luffy is the Mc who destroys all the myths.

Not to mention that Hyoguro compared Luffy to the protective god Myo face to Kaido. Everything is done so that in the end Luffy has his 1 vs 1 against Kaido weakened.

Besides, apart from Zoro the other Sn's do not have the means to wound Kaido they did not learn Ryou from Hyogoro unlike Luffy and they do not have the Haki of the observation of the future like Luffy or Katakuri.

This arc is the preparation for the rise of Monkey D Luffy as a threat by defeating Emperor Kaido. Like Teach during the Marine Ford arc. The supernovas are there to witness the feat that Monkey D Luffy will achieve.

For Big Mom we were teased that she has a connection with the giants I think she will be beaten in Erbaf by Luffy.

And I think unlike Kaido Luffy will beat her from start to finish on his own. Against Kaido Luffy will be helped at the start by others and will finish him in 1v1 when he is weakened. But in the next arc i.e. Erbaf Luffy will beat an emperor totally alone

To make a small conclusion:

Wano Kuni (Kaido): Luffy defeats a weakened Yonko in 1 vs 1 after dealing damage to him with his allies

Erbaf (Big Mom): Luffy proves he outperforms a Yonko in 1v1 on his own

Last Arc (Marshall D Teach): Luffy defeats his antagonist on his own (just before Laugh Tale?) To get the One Piece
 
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Jo_Ndule

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#65
As much as I know Luffy might have 1 v1 against kaido

I wouldn't enjoy Luffy taking down 3 emperors.

Teach is enough for Luffy ti prove he is above Yonko or ~ Yonko , just like katakuri was to have Luffy > YCs.
Bm might not even be beaten.

Kaido should be a pie for Kidd and Luffy + Law to share ,
just like Doffy was for Luffy and Law
but unlike vs Doffy ,
Luffy having 1v 1 while Kidd is out and law out
Is repetitive and boring. Especially when Kidd has CoC and built up to finish kaido alongside Luffy unlike law.

Maybe we can get 1 v 1 for 30-60 min ( as long as g4 lasts ) but Luffy doesn't win, kidd comes back clutch to aid Luffy, both finish weakened with a combo attack.
 
Mugiwara56

Mugiwara56

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I understand you don't want Luffy slaughtering the 3 Emperors is boring but you know how much Oda loves Luffy right?

He will always make sure that Luffy always has the biggest share

This is how One Piece is

And I don't see Kid ending Kaido with Luffy because the fight against Kaido is also symbolic for Luffy because during the ellipse Luffy trained with animals of all kinds Tigers, Monkeys ect ...

And as luck would have it the first Yonko that Luffy has to beat is called "Kaido of a hundred beasts"

And I will recall one more thing once again Hyogoro said that Luffy in Gear 4 looks like a protective god the Myo

We don't deny the fact that there are too many elements that Oda has put in for Luffy to get his 1 vs 1 against Kaido no matter what when everyone is Ko
 
Mugiwara56

Mugiwara56

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[QUOTE = "Kuro Ashi, poste: 951871, membre: 2992"] Luffy et Kidd se retrouveront dans des combats 1 contre 1 contre Kaido et Big Mom à la fin de Wano, et chacun sortira en tête de son match respectif. up :enfin:[/ QUOTE]
Kuro Ashi said:
Luffy and Kidd will end up in 1 vs 1 fights against Kaido and Big Mom by the end of Wano, and each will come out on top of their respective match-up :finally:
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I thought that before but we must not forget that Big Mom has a link with the giants of Erbaf and that Ussop wants to go low without forgetting that Luffy told Bm a Whole Cake that after Kaido he is going to beat her in addition we surely gonna have a Luffy-Big Mom Erbaf connection for Luffy to beat Erbaf for Lola the Giant Kings and stuff
 
Kuro Ashi

Kuro Ashi

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Mugiwara56 said:
[QUOTE = "Kuro Ashi, poste: 951871, membre: 2992"] Luffy et Kidd se retrouveront dans des combats 1 contre 1 contre Kaido et Big Mom à la fin de Wano, et chacun sortira en tête de son match respectif. up :enfin:[/ QUOTE]

I thought that before but we must not forget that Big Mom has a link with the giants of Erbaf and that Ussop wants to go low without forgetting that Luffy told Bm a Whole Cake that after Kaido he is going to beat her in addition we surely gonna have a Luffy-Big Mom Erbaf connection for Luffy to beat Erbaf for Lola the Giant Kings and stuff
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Then she shouldn't have been brought to Wano.

If she did not come to Wano, i'd have agreed. She's here tho so she takes the fall.

I think Kidd will defeat her, because she's the one Yonko he sort of interacted with by invading her territory and wounding one of her generals + stealing something from her, but did not want to fight her.

Kidd wanted to go after Shanks, but Kaido fucked up that plan for him.

Now he wants to go after Kaido, but i think Oda will continue the trend where Kidd does not get to have what he wants, so he will be forced in a fight against Big Mom.

That way he get's the feats, but does not get to be happy, which is a trend with Kidd in the New World, not having things go as he'd wish the would.
 
Mugiwara56

Mugiwara56

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Kuro Ashi said:
Then she shouldn't have been brought to Wano.

If she did not come to Wano, i'd have agreed. She's here tho so she takes the fall.

I think Kidd will defeat her, because she's the one Yonko he sort of interacted with by invading her territory and wounding one of her generals + stealing something from her, but did not want to fight her.

Kidd wanted to go after Shanks, but Kaido fucked up that plan for him.

Now he wants to go after Kaido, but i think Oda will continue the trend where Kidd does not get to have what he wants, so he will be forced in a fight against Big Mom.

That way he get's the feats, but does not get to be happy, which is a trend with Kidd in the New World, not having things go as he'd wish the would.
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I totally understand your explanation brother but I'm sure that Bm b betray Kaido she told Perospero to trust him concerning the alliance with Kaido we know Bm well for his scheming and his betrayals I really think that she will be the winner of the arc at the end it is possible that she takes a copy of Wano's poneglyph road as well as Luffy.

Big Mom is very far from being stupid I think she uses Kaido for her own good i.e. I think she will let Kaido get beat up by Luffy and leave with precious items from Wano and a road poneglyph. For Kid I don't think he has a link with Erbaf to beat Big Mom on the other hand Luffy has him surely links with the Giants, Ussop, Lola the giant kings and other characters
 
Cinera

Cinera

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Mugiwara56 said:
The supernovas are there to witness the feat that Monkey D Luffy will achieve.
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I am not a fan of the Supernovas being glorified cheerleaders for Pirate Jesus. Besides, that's not the prophecy. They are there to defeat the Yonkou. Luffy might get his 1 vs 1 against Kaido later on, but the other SN are not there merely to witness that 1 vs 1. Their role is not to be spectators to the Luffy show.
 
Fn Lucci

Fn Lucci

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Camie said:
All good points Bogard. Would I like for it to happen? Sure I do.. at EOS. The issue I have is if Luffy 1 v 1s Kaido cleanly, that essentially means hes better than Kaido. The world's strongest creature. Where does he go from there? Like sure he can improve his DF and perhaps awaken but if he beats the best then whos to stop Luffy? We still need our MC to go through hard fights and continue to grow from them otherwise its boring.

Also whats considered a 1 v 1 to everyone here? If Zoro gets a nasty cut on Kaido, can we say that Luffy still will 1 v 1 Kaido? Zoro would have applied nasty damage and Luffy would take advantage of that. Just like Law did his attack to Doflamingo which weakened him for Luffy. Or Luffy using Brulee to get in and out of mirror world. Katakuri injuring himself. I get Luffy hardly ever has clean 1 v 1s but I dont think he'll get that with Kaido either.
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LOL he pretty much never gets a clean solo win. The other four here would literally have to step away to let that happen.

But if he did, well, don't think in terms of power level. So far beating Kaido in this form is a matter of avoiding his extreme force and chipping at his extreme durability. Extremely difficult, but straightforward. That by no means implies an answer to dealing with any of the remaining boss fights in the narrative.
 
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Sword God Ryuma

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Bogard said:
As title says, although the fight between Yonko vs Worstgen is starting in a 2 vs 5 right now, i think that Luffy will ultimately end up fighting Kaido in a one on one. To illustrate this, i'd take the example of dressrosa which started in a group battle, but Luffy ending up fighting Doffy in a one-on-one

Now let's talk about the reasons:

1- First of all, before the arc even started, Oda was already hyping up Luffy as a future 5th emperor of the seas

This suggest imo that Luffy should come out of the Wano arc as a powerhouse recognized on a similar threat level to that of an emperor

2- Before the arc started once again, Shanks was already suggesting that the time to meet Luffy was close, and that was before Luffy's udon training that made him much stronger

And while we're still in the Wano arc, Oda implied that Shanks is about to move

Which further suggest the time for their meeting is coming closer, a meeting that Shanks only wanted to happen when Luffy would be recognized as a great pirate(yonko)

This could once again only happen if Luffy comes out of the arc recognized as a yonko level threat

3- In the One Piece newspaper vol2 translated by Sandman, Oda pointed out that when Kaido was introduced(shortly after Doflamingo's defeat), he didn't think Luffy could defeat such a strong character yet.

The yet is important here, because it means Oda was already thinking back then about ways for Luffy to defeat him, and since then, Luffy learned new tricks like future sight from his battle with Katakuri, allowing him to predict things in advance, and level3 hardening on his way to learn level2, allowing him to bypass Kaido's durability even with a gear3 attack and thus his way not to make Kaido's defeat appear just because Luffy's punch is so strong. By giving him future sight, and level 3 hardening, it granted to Luffy new tricks that Oda thought in his mind could make Kaido's defeat satisfying for the reader

4- In his introduction, Kaido's main theme was resolving around the fact that you always have to bet on him in a 1 on 1 fight


And we know Oda always love to make Luffy destroy legendary myths like he did with Katakuri's track-record

This is why imo, Oda would at one point make Luffy fight Kaido in a 1 on 1, beat him and destroy this myth around always betting on Kaido in a 1 on 1

5- In the latest chapter, Oda decided for Luffy to be the one to carry the burden of Oden and his retainers in order to save Wano infront of the yonko


Which imo will lead to Luffy being recognized as the savior of Wano

Thanks for reading :optimistic:

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Luffy will have chapters fighting Kaido 1 v 1, but it will never be a true one because it started off 5 v 2 and Kaido already fought 9 people. Another thing is Zoro will give Kaido a significant injury which throws away any notion of a 1 v 1. This is Kaido going through a gauntlet not a 1 v 1
 
Mugiwara56

Mugiwara56

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#77
#77
Cinera said:
I am not a fan of the Supernovas being glorified cheerleaders for Pirate Jesus. Besides, that's not the prophecy. They are there to defeat the Yonkou. Luffy might get his 1 vs 1 against Kaido later on, but the other SN are not there merely to witness that 1 vs 1. Their role is not to be spectators to the Luffy show.
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I agree that the supernovas which were ridiculed by Luffy afterwards I believe that the supernovas were not planned from the base and that it was the editors who advised Oda to create them to give the Shabondy arc another dimension .

It can be understood that they are set back from Luffy who is the Mc
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Sword God Ryuma said:
Luffy will have chapters fighting Kaido 1 v 1, but it will never be a true one because it started off 5 v 2 and Kaido already fought 9 people. Another thing is Zoro will give Kaido a significant injury which throws away any notion of a 1 v 1. This is Kaido going through a gauntlet not a 1 v 1
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Correct that's what I think before Luffy beat Kaido in a last 1 vs 1 that lasted can 5 chapters see 6.

Kaido will have a weakening that started with the red scabbards then Luffy and the supernovas, an injury made by Zoro to Kaido to end in a last 1 vs 1 Luffy vs Kaido which lasted several chapters (maybe 6) with a victory for Luffy against Kaido
 
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Sword God Ryuma

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sanjikun said:
People have reading problems. That was not Ryou. Luffy clearly trained Ryou not to "touch" opponent. The only contact we've seen him make with Ryou is with handcuffs, but that's to remove them, not destroy them.

Oda went out of his way to show us Roger and Whitebeard "not touching". Ryou is an extension of your fist, so you should not touch their skin.
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That was ryou. Lmao what are you reading
 
yj

yj

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In fact thats zoros job.mihawk once shared the same pattern of thought as kaido thinking they both won’t come across a swordsman to quell their thirst. remember they both lost their counterpart swordsman. Its in clear sight Mihawk acknowledged zoro to be the once once they fought in a clear 1 vs 1. like wise in due time zoro will be acknowledged by kaido as the swordsman that can grant him his grand death. kaido will inevitably come to the same conclusion as mihawk once zoro dispells his 1 vs 1 notion before killing him
 
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