General & Others Garp's statement about Yonkou being most powerful pirates

#21
Yonko are Four Greatest Powers among Pirates & to reach that you need to be among Strongest Pirates there is
So yeah, Yonko are "Four of Strongest Pirates there is" but it doesn't mean there aren't others who can match them or beat them

Luffy was compared to them because he can:
Defeat their Strongest Commanders + Invade their Territory & Escape + Cause Destruction on their Main Island + Have Huge Pirate Army

So from World's View, Luffy is a Pirate who have Power to fight Yonko & Challenge them & thus being considered "Like a Fifth Emperor"

Actually from World's View, only Marine HQ, Shichibukai & Luffy's Fleet can compete with Yonko
 
#32
This has been translated and elaborated upon since OJ.


Yes, Yonko are some of the strongest characters in the series. Are they the 4 strongest? No. Individuals such as Mihawk, Sakazuki, Dragon, etc, are stronger than most if not all of them.


In order to be a Yonko one needs a strong crew and territories.
MF Gura yami Teach who had declared himself the strongest, who did the unprecedented by eating two devil fruits and was pulling off feats on WB's level, thus he was a top tier.

Yet he only became a Yonko after beating Marco and conquering territories left behind by WB. So strength alone isn't enough. You need lands. You need a strong crew. You need people to protect those lands.
Teach had to gather sufficient territories in order to be recognized as an Emperor, which the name itself implies.

Individual strength of course helps, but without a crew and territories, even if one was the strongest of all time in OP one wouldn't be an Emperor.​
How do we read the kanji/japanese?

Seems rather subjective to me, to say that the title "only refers to political power" "as opposed to strength level" and to follow it with "although of course strength helps",

...meanwhile two of the Yonkou members are the strongest beings on the planet, WSM and WSC. The other member are the Kaidou-clone in powerlevel hype (BM, Beast Pirates said there are two Kaidous). They have the strength that significantly eclipse anyone from their crews and empire.

Considering these absolute strength-related titles held by at least these two members, its almost like the ones who supports this "greatest only refers to political power as opposed to primarily individual powerlevel" notion don't want powerlevel to become the primary source of this title.

"the ruling part support that the title is about political power" is also only an interpretation of two parts of a sentence, not an actual confirmation from the author/manga team, right?

On the other hand, the "ruling the latter half" can always be considered the addition, since it was mentioned later than the "powerful/great" part.

So if the greatest term on that title is based on powerlevel, then the top individual strength (WSM/WSC level) is the primary requirement. That was what BB was doing, claiming WB's fruit transform him into an ultimate being like he himself said. The primary requirement, no one has the capability to reach that level of strength aside from WSM and WSC.

Thus he can reach the secondary requirement: attract enough followers to be able to beat Marco and take WB territories. Without him being that powerful himself, the second requirement can never be fulfilled. That's what i took from these statements.


A bit yeah, I took Japanese class in my freshman year in high school but I dropped it.
How do we read the word? Is it "Dai"? Meaning great/strong? How do you think this relate to powerlevel?

It refers to individuals who are leading the greatest organizations among pirates.
It is not representing individual strength because we know that at least two of them are weaker than Mihawk.
Greatest organizations? So why does the yonkou consist of WSM and WSC who are both superior to WSS by default? The Yonkou title interpretation is not based on your wishful thinking. Where are those organizations mentioned as more impactful than their own powerlevel?
 
#33
I like Mihawk but i'm still wondering how he is constantly put top 3 and sometimes top 1 despite no individual portrayal indicating so.
I think Perona should've said something about his power to confirm he is that strong.
Mihawk should be on Emperor level (assuming they are all on a similar level) but stronger than Them? No individual portrayal from day 1 places him that strong in my book nor does the aura and reactions around him indicate anything like that when he appears. I have Mihawk in my top 10.

OT:I think Garp's statement was a combination of individual strength and Military power. Those 2 combined maked them the 4 greatest pirates in the world
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#34
Who? Are you an owl?
Greatest organizations? So why does the yonkou consist of WSM and WSC who are both superior to WSS by default? The Yonkou title interpretation is not based on your wishful thinking. Where are those organizations mentioned as more impactful than their own powerlevel?
Yes, organizations, Garp literally describes their rule. Is wsm and wsc somehow making it hard for you to grasp that?
I like Mihawk but i'm still wondering how he is constantly put top 3 and sometimes top 1 despite no individual portrayal indicating so.
I think Perona should've said something about his power to confirm he is that strong.
Mihawk should be on Emperor level (assuming they are all on a similar level) but stronger than Them? No individual portrayal from day 1 places him that strong in my book nor does the aura and reactions around him indicate anything like that when he appears. I have Mihawk in my top 10.

OT:I think Garp's statement was a combination of individual strength and Military power. Those 2 combined maked them the 4 greatest pirates in the world
Because two of the Yonkos are swordsmen and Mihawk is stronger than them.
 
#35
Who? Are you an owl?

Yes, organizations, Garp literally describes their rule. Is wsm and wsc somehow making it hard for you to grasp that?

Because two of the Yonkos are swordsmen and Mihawk is stronger than them.
If that is the case,Mihawk should be portrayed as stronger than them each time he appears.

Yet Oda never had a character mention Mihawk is stronger than Big Mom or Shanks or portray him as superior by someone fearing him more than them,we just use the Wss definition to our leisure in combination with Darabooks.

I do think Mihawk is on their level but for me to have him stronger than them,i will need to see him portrayed properly as someone stronger (greater reactions of fear/Shock from outsiders than with Shanks/Big Mom when he appears),or proper statements of him being superior than them in the manga and not a Databook which is a secondary source that comes as a trusty source of information only if it doesn't contradict manga statements/portrayal.

Hopefully Mihawk doesn't disappoint and ends up top 5 when his time comes but for now he is just in my top 10.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#36
If that is the case,Mihawk should be portrayed as stronger than them each time he appears.

Yet Oda never had a character mention Mihawk is stronger than Big Mom or Shanks or portray him as superior by someone fearing him more than them,we just use the Wss definition to our leisure in combination with Darabooks.

I do think Mihawk is on their level but for me to have him stronger than them,i will need to see him portrayed properly as someone stronger (greater reactions of fear/Shock from outsiders than with Shanks/Big Mom when he appears),or proper statements of him being superior than them in the manga and not a Databook which is a secondary source that comes as a trusty source of information only if it doesn't contradict manga statements/portrayal.

Hopefully Mihawk doesn't disappoint and ends up top 5 when his time comes but for now he is just in my top 10.
So, basically, you think Mihawk is not the strongest swordsman in the world? ...
Why would Mihawk have to be portrayed so when he is different by his own statement?
Why do you think Oda fuels the imaginary Sanji and Zoro rivalry?
Answer to that question may also answer the question about Mihawk...
How can Mihawk possibly disappoint by being the greatest challenge for the strongest swordsman in One Piece?
 
#37
So, basically, you think Mihawk is not the strongest swordsman in the world? ...
Why would Mihawk have to be portrayed so when he is different by his own statement?
Why do you think Oda fuels the imaginary Sanji and Zoro rivalry?
Answer to that question may also answer the question about Mihawk...
How can Mihawk possibly disappoint by being the greatest challenge for the strongest swordsman in One Piece?
Like I said,a title shouldn't be contradicted by portrayal of characters "supposedly" falling under him.

No individual portrayal of being stronger than any Emperor from Aura perceived,Marineford was a cluster fuck of an arc for powerlevels sure but even there, Mihawk's presence wasn't above any other top tier (in fact it looked below admirals',but that's probably because it was the Marines' war not his).

Mihawk should be on the level of the Emperors', that's good enough from the way he's been singularly portrayed,i don't take him as stronger than any of them until accurately stated/implied/portrayed in the manga.

I gave you my way of seeing things,now let's not go too much off topic.

Have a nice day Nik.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#38
Like I said,a title shouldn't be contradicted by portrayal of characters "supposedly" falling under him.

No individual portrayal of being stronger than any Emperor from Aura perceived,Marineford was a cluster fuck of an arc for powerlevels sure but even there, Mihawk's presence wasn't above any other top tier (in fact it looked below admirals',but that's probably because it was the Marines' war not his).

Mihawk should be on the level of the Emperors', that's good enough from the way he's been singularly portrayed,i don't take him as stronger than any of them until accurately stated/implied/portrayed in the manga.

I gave you my way of seeing things,now let's not go too much off topic.
Have a nice day Nik.
Portrayal shouldn't bother you because it goes from 0 to 100 in not one chapter but in a single panel.
Example: Zoro is bothering with trash on the live floor in one chapter, in the next chapter he is facing the number one of the verse.
Mihawk is clean, no swordsman can be put above him and his time is coming when Zoro is at his strongest.

Exactly, the Shichibukais didnt bother to move a finger for the Marines even tho the war started by Mihawk attacking Whitebeard...
I think the title is as accurately stated that he is above them as it gets... Oda cannot state it more clearly...
What people confuse with individual power levels is the presence of a loner and commander of a large army display.
 
#39
Whitebeard was called The Strongest Man Alive and Kaido is The Strongest Creature. They have the biggest revealed bounties and there are the strongest in their crews. One might assume, that,there are the strongest pirates. That includes Supernova and Shichibukai. Mihawk somehow got god tier level from fandom, even though he wanted to gauge the difference in strength between him and WB in Marineford, admitting that he is weaker.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#40
Whitebeard was called The Strongest Man Alive and Kaido is The Strongest Creature. They have the biggest revealed bounties and there are the strongest in their crews. One might assume, that,there are the strongest pirates. That includes Supernova and Shichibukai. Mihawk somehow got god tier level from fandom, even though he wanted to gauge the difference in strength between him and WB in Marineford, admitting that he is weaker.
Mihawk admitting that he is weaker than WB in no way diminishes his strength... WSC>WSM>WSS
Not sure how you thought it matters but oh well...
Also, Mihawk wasnt gauging the difference in strength, he was checking if WB has weakened to the point of not being stronger than him.
 
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