Future Events Zoro Will be the MVP (or Runner Up) in the Rooftop Fight

[Guymieux]

Discussing children story get's to you so much you start calling people names. Guess it proves the point that you fit the targeted audience.

I do think he will fight and defeat King, which will be more than Killer who's standing off against the Yonko will achieve.

If you are still talking about zoro vs king then even a kid has better reading comprehension then you

 

[Kuro Ashi]

No this arc
He will make enma a kokuto and surpass odens exploits vs kaido.

Oden went at Kaido by himself. If it was meant to be a clear cut direct paralel with Zoro at that level and meant to surpass it, wouldn't he also be set up to 1 vs 1 Kaido ?

 

[rerere]

ngl its gonna be hard but not impossible

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

So it's far from set in stone that Kidd defeats Big Mom:

• Big Mom is not guaranteed to fall on Wano.
• Big Mom has a much stronger grievance with Luffy than Kidd.
  • Their beef goes back all the way to Fishman Island when Luffy declared he couldn't leave it under her jurisdiction.
  • Luffy stole Jimbe from her.
  • Luffy ruined her tea party, defeated two of her commanders and humiliated her before the entire world.
  • Luffy declared that he would defeat her.
  • In Chapter 1000, it was Luffy Big Mom was most concerned with.
• Kidd himself has a much stronger beef with Kaido.
  • Kaido crashed his meeting, beat him up and threw him in jail
  • Apoo (who betrayed him) has been working for Kaido
  • Orochi (and hence Kaido) is responsible for Killer's predicament
  • Kidd & Killer's preparations were to face Kaido.

Perhaps Kidd and Killer are responsible for defeating Big Mom, but that is not only far from guaranteed, it's not even a particularly probable outcome given what we know so far.

• Law had the second most panel time & prominence in DR.
  • Zoro has taken that role in Wano.
• DR was very much Law's character arc.
  • Wano has taken the role of Zoro's character arc.

Wano is not to Kidd what DR was to Law, the person that takes that role is Zoro.

Kidd can start beef with BM by saying he took her polygraph rubbings and injured a commander

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Like I keep saying Oda did not build Kidd back up throughout this arc to have him be outshined by not even Luffy himself but his right hand man. That is not happening, I can bet on that. Especially because it’s obvious that Kidd will be relevant post Wano. How will fans care about him as a major player if his hype is destroyed in the first arc he gets onscreen shine in? Zoro will have his big moments against Kaido fine I agree with this, but Kidd will leave Wano having rivaled Luffy in some way weather it’s against Kaido or taking down Big Mom to parallel them. Kidd is not leaving Wano on a lower standing than Zoro. Period. Quote me on it.

Thats not what i meant, and i don't have to quote u, since ur pretty credible

Post Wano: Kid leaves with the same strength, clout, power as Luffy
During Wano: Zoro will outshine Kid by cutting, killing Kaido, and saving Wano (bc thats what strawhats do)

No one in the world of OP will believe a subordinate of Luffy killed Kaido, that honor/acheivement/respect will go Luffy/Kid/Law

Only Wano will know what zoro has done

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

I’m just saying if Kidd is more important than zoro like you said Wouldn’t he have more panel time than the former? Why would Oda choose to focus on zoro thought out wano and not Kidd?? it’s just a matter of who and when and how zoro is more important. oda is going to follow on zoros plot line through to the end peep cins essay for a better understanding and how the pay off is actually more impactful and deeper for zoro than kidd. For sure kidds shine will come but not at the expense of zoros downfall and expense like you all think.

And you just proved with your “Kiku has more panel time than Kidd” point that panel time does not indicate how much impact a character will have. Unless you think Kiku, Raizo, and Kinemon will outshine Kidd too since they’ve had more “panel time” and this is the “land of samurai” right? Lmao. Kidd hasn’t gotten as much panel as some others because he doesn’t need it. He has no connection to Wanos people or history so why would Kidd dominate the screen time? This isn’t Kid Piece. Kidds connection to this arc is that he’s here to kick Kaido’s ass for what he did to him and his crew. That’s all the “relevance” he needs. Now that they are in front of the Yonko, this is where his panel time and shine will come.

 

[rerere]

Onigashima is just Kidd and Killer springboard deal with it

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

- Princess always has a great revelance in the story than the prince like shirahochi and her other brothers Hyori and Zoro interaction wasted a lot of panels time just to make a similar ones with Oden and Toki and then we have enma in relation to someone like Kaido whereas ame habikiri we saw it one time and then bahh .
I'm sad for Luffy his great role is carried by Zoro this time

Princess has no relevance to the story when Luffy not the one she begs to help. Remember it only matters if Luffy does it.

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

Princess has no relevance to the story when Luffy not the one she begs to help. Remember it only matters if Luffy does it.

that's their Logic

 

[HA001]

Oden went at Kaido by himself. If it was meant to be a clear cut direct paralel with Zoro at that level and meant to surpass it, wouldn't he also be set up to 1 vs 1 Kaido ?

Oden faced a younger kaido
And no big mom
Theres 2 yonko here

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Thats not what i meant, and i don't have to quote u, since ur pretty credible

Post Wano: Kid leaves with the same strength, clout, power as Luffy
During Wano: Zoro will outshine Kid by cutting, killing Kaido, and saving Wano (bc thats what strawhats do)

No one in the world of OP will believe a subordinate of Luffy killed Kaido, that honor/acheivement/respect will go Luffy/Kid/Law

Only Wano will know what zoro has done

I get what you’re saying man. I’m just saying I don’t think Zoro is going to outshine Kidd in Wano. As simple as that. I don’t know how Oda can justify Kidd leaving Wano on similar standing with Luffy if he gets outshined by his right hand man lol. I also don’t think he’s going to kill Kaido, but that’s a whole other discussion. Zoro will prove himself as a worthy samurai to Kaido but that’s as far as I’m going. Maybe to the characters of Wano Zoro will “outshine“ Kidd but to us as readers I don’t see it happening.

 

[yj]

And you just proved with your “Kiku has more panel time than Kidd” point that panel time does not indicate how much impact a character will have. Unless you think Kiku, Raizo, and Kinemon will outshine Kidd too since they’ve had more “panel time” and this is the “land of samurai” right? Lmao. Kidd hasn’t gotten as much panel as some others because he doesn’t need it. He has no connection to Wanos people or history so why would Kidd dominate the screen time? This isn’t Kid Piece. Kidds connection to this arc is that he’s here to kick Kaido’s ass for what he did to him and his crew. That’s all the “relevance” he needs. Now that they are in front of the Yonko, this is where his panel time and shine will come.

I know lol it doesnt but it does indicate a lot about his standing compared to zoro tho. but see that right there kidd having no connection to wano and it’s people is why he ain’t outshining zoro and luffy. The people of wano want a saviour a deity like ryuma and not a psychopath with no regards to life like Kidd. but still no one here is a subordinate all of them are going to lead the future of the pirate age so year ur right kidd is more important than the scabbards. ur free to believe what you want. but ngl Kidd is a wild card just like zoro who've both been tussling with top tiers. kidds shine will come no ones denying that but zoro has more going for him with odens will, his goal of wss which dictates he’s going to have to surpass oden etc. Like I said peeps cins essay it’s an eye opener

 

[rerere]

kidds shine will come no ones denying that

You joking?

 

[Cinera]

Bad news. He wont.

@Fenaker bookmark this please.

worth reading this thread from @Garp the Fist who compiled all the panel on kaido and death which really shows just how much its getting hammered home about kaido dying

You didn't link the thread?

lol look at kaidos own words in the top right you never know

but nah i expect luffy and zoro to finish it like they did the dragon before and zoro finish it by taking his head

tbf all the set up has been for luffy AND zoro not luffy OR zoro to finish this
instead of comparing @Bogard and @Fenaker points should be put together and added to all the rest
especially if you re read wano the clear emphasis has been on the 2 of them from the start
both their journeys both shown training for kaido

because of luffy they got the man power
because of zoro the men are armed

both had a moment involving a plague of queens that end with them declaring they are here for kaido

its clear through the arc how its been set up for them both.

Well said, thanks.

Zoro didn't even get flashbacks of his own or origins if this was really his arc
Law had flashbacks in DR
Sanji had it in WCI

He would have had his origins fleshed out like how Law and Sanji had during their arcs.

The arc is not yet over. It's too early to say that this wouldn't happen.

If this was Zoro's arc, he will be the one carrying the burden of wano people...like how Sanji carries the burden of BMP, Citizens and alliance by making the cake. Like how Law carried Corazoj burden.

• Zoro is carrying Oden's will in Enma.
• He's fighting to avenge Yasuie.
  • Said Yasuie lamented that no one has been able to take Kaido's head.
• Hiyori begged him to save the country and entrusted her vengeance to him.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

worth reading this thread from @Garp the Fist who compiled all the panel on kaido and death which really shows just how much its getting hammered home about kaido dying

And ? We know luffy wont kill him we also know the samurai as monstrous as oden who can open the scar is someone kaido himself thinks is worthy of killing him

What thread?

 

[yj]

You joking?

2 yonkos against 5 everyone is going to pull their weight. why Tf would anyone say otherwise

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

I know lol it doesnt but it does indicate a lot about his standing compared to zoro tho. but see that right there kidd having no connection to wano and it’s people is why he ain’t outshining zoro and luffy. The people of wano want a saviour a deity like ryuma and not a psychopath with no regards to life like Kidd. but still no one here is a subordinate all of them are going to lead the future of the pirate age so year ur right kidd is more important than the scabbards. ur free to believe what you want. but ngl Kidd is a wild card just like zoro who've both been tussling with top tiers. kidds shine will come no ones denying that but zoro has more going for him with odens will, his goal of wss which dictates he’s going to have to surpass oden etc. Like I said peeps cins essay it’s an eye opener

You’re right Kidd isn’t going to outshine Luffy
Jokes aside I can agree that to the people of Wano Zoro will “outshine” Kidd. But to us as the actual readers who witness everything that happen, I’m telling you right now Oda will not draw this fight in a way that has Kidd being overshadowed by Zoro. He will rival Luffy, this isn’t the island where their rivalry comes to a climax. That’s Lodestar.

 

[rerere]

2 yonkos against 5 everyone is going to pull their weight. why Tf would anyone say otherwise

Dude you're one of those who pushed 'useless captain mid' the most, stop joking around
Is like me saying something good about Carrot

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Dude you're one of those who pushed 'useless captain mid' the most, stop joking around
Is like me saying something good about Carrot

They’re already switching up before Kidd has even started
They need to keep the same energy. Keep calling him, “Useless Kidd” don’t switch up now lol.

 

[HA001]

What thread?

@Fenaker bookmark this please.



You didn't link the thread?




Well said, thanks.




The arc is not yet over. It's too early to say that this wouldn't happen.

• Zoro is carrying Oden's will in Enma.
• He's fighting to avenge Yasuie.
  • Said Yasuie lamented that no one has been able to take Kaido's head.
• Hiyori begged him to save the country and entrusted her vengeance to him.

Lmfao wtf how did i miss that
Here
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-grand-kaido-and-wano-death-compiliation.9505/