Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1001 Spoilers Discussion

[Hades]

Why isnt there BM shown in background of Luffy, we literally saw her fighting and bruising Kaido for whole night

That is quite obvious that these people in the shadows parallel Luffy

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Kaido is so fast that he can even catch Luffy while he uses fs

 

[Finalbeta]

The fact that the world strongest Swordsman struggled with Vista is honestly beyond embarrassing unless Mihawk fans are willing to place Vista in the top 3 of the world.

That's the other way around though.

It was Vista to actually be glad of the postponement.

 

[Bogard]

@Bogard

Shanks gave Kaido one of his seven losses ? :kizabat:

Seems like it, either that or it's something else, maybe the people he believes could kill him, because Shanks only became an emperor 6 years ago, with the only known encounter between them(during MF) ending with Shanks coming clean, not suggesting there to have been a huge fight.

But it's possible that in the short encounter, Shanks injured him heavily(Kaido usually doesn't care about getting tagged at the beginning of battle, counting on his durability) and thus with that encounter making him realize that Shanks is among the people who could kill him.

That's why I'm even more wondering about their encounter during MF.

Knowing Oda, as Luffy's idol, with Shanks claiming before the arc that Luffy might be close to meet, he'd probably use that encounter to hype Shanks

 

[Isaac Netero]

No, Vista struggled with Mihawk.

Lol I am not getting in the discussion.but this proves nothing.

 

[Akayamii]

What does the shadows behind Luffy stand for ?

 

[Batik4ever]

Where are my scans Johnny

 

[Red Admiral]

Why would Kaido see a MARINE in LUFFY THE PIRATE?

cause that MARINE is THE ONLY blood related man to him while others are not

 

[cipy]

the blade of his weapon is fist grade he isnt a swordsman

Yeah ok, that Shanks isn't either because he use a blade (see the difference between swords and blades) also Oden he thechnically used blades not swords.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

That is quite obvious that these people in the shadows parallel Luffy

and which part of WB parallels Luffy ?

 

[Kromage911]

Lol
Overrated
Probably Roger did the heavy work in Rocks flashback, and Garp like Smoker took the credit Lmao
As WG hid the fact Roger was there

Underrated imo. Prime Garp was undoubtedly one of the strongest men in the verse. That's no Smoker-Luffy relationship, lmfao.

 

[Red Admiral]

What does the shadows behind Luffy stand for ?

the man who can fight Kaido for real?
the man who Luffy remind him?

one of this

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Lol I am not getting in the discussion.but this proves nothing.

You're not getting into a discussion because your "proves nothing" crap is baseless.

 

[Extravlad]

cause that MARINE is THE ONLY blood related man to him while others are not

Luffy is a pirate. Luffy reminds Kaido of these Pirates. Even if Garp is blood related to him he's a MARINE, nothing like Luffy

 

[Seth]

What does the shadows behind Luffy stand for ?

People who have Kaido's respect for some reason/People who gave him L.

 

[Zowo]

Yeah ok, that Shanks isn't either because he use a blade (see the difference between swords and blades) also Oden he thechnically used blades not swords.

so a spear is a sword now?
viz translation has graded weapons

 

[Fn Lucci]

I agree
But prime Sakazuki > Prime Oden

Of course because he had another two decades to get stronger. There's no telling how strong Oden could have been if he didn't get caught

 

[Kuro Ashi]

• We did not see Luffy comment that he doesn't yet have the hang of ryuo.
• We say Zoro comment that he hasn't yet fully acclimatised to Enma.

I don't think you can make the inference you want to make. I agree that Enma training will make Zoro significantly stronger (and before today, I'd been placing Enma Zoro a level above Pre Enma Zoro), but Zoro gave us something close to the equivalent of this scene from Luffy:

Given that Zoro has indicated that he hasn't yet fully acclimatised to Enma, while Luffy did not indicate any such thing for ryuo (unless he does so next chapter), I disagree that they are comparable boosts for now. They probably will when Zoro fully acclimatises to Enma (which I expect to happen this fight).

But that's not quite what Zoro says, is it.

He says that there's even more of Enma's power that he could release. The equivalent would be Luffy showing that there's also more he can do with Advanced CoA than he already did.

I think the most fair way to look at it is to not overcomplicate things. You showcase the panels where they both go through that training on the same page in preparation for this raid, after both got hyped by how much stronger they can get with this training.

Now they are on the roof facing Kaido post training. I'd say it's a fair assumption to make that they are both stronger, and significant evidence would be required to argue the contrary. Evidence such as one of them saying that they feel weaker than before, but with enough time it will be worth going "nerfed" into this life or death battle.

So i have to stand by my assumption that Zoro is stronger now, with still some room to grow, and the same is the case for Luffy.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Seems like it, either that or it's something else, maybe the people he believes could kill him, because Shanks only became an emperor 6 years ago, with the only known encounter between them(during MF) ending with Shanks coming clean, not suggesting there to have been a huge fight.

But it's possible that in the short encounter, Shanks injured him heavily(Kaido usually doesn't care about getting tagged at the beginning of battle, counting on his durability) and thus with that encounter making him realize that Shanks is among the people who could kill him.

That's why I'm even more wondering about their encounter during MF.

Knowing Oda, as Luffy's idol, with Shanks claiming before the arc that Luffy might be close to meet, he'd probably use that encounter to hype Shanks

This might actually be how Shanks convinced Kaido to turn around. Kaido realizes Shanks can hurt him, and Shanks promises him a fight in the future if he abandons his efforts to go to Marineford.

 

[Uncle Van]

Murakumogiri is a naginata and one of the 12 Supreme Grade swords. It was used by Edward Newgate for over 30 years until his death.

WB's weapon is a bisento. It was called a bisento numerous times by both official translators(Stephen and the guy before him) and is designed like one. Naginatas are different. Swords is a generalization based on the kanji and spears are not literal swords.