Chapter Discussion Is Zoro nerf?
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Because that’s what Enma’s power is, the use of Haki that the owner doesn’t want. Shusui didn’t do anything like that, it’s bonus, or it’s power was that it was bigger, heavier, more solid and harder to use. Sandai’s was that it was a “problem child” that cut more than Zoro wanted it to.
This chapter didn’t tell us anything about Enma we didn’t know beforehand. It’s special attribute is that it uses more Haki than the user would want, much like Sandai’s special attribute was that it cut more than the user would want. Zoro’s yet to get used to that.
This chapter didn’t tell us anything about Enma we didn’t know beforehand. It’s special attribute is that it uses more Haki than the user would want, much like Sandai’s special attribute was that it cut more than the user would want. Zoro’s yet to get used to that.
Agreed, does not have to do with my question though.
We have no idea how the swords relate. Is Shusui that renowned because of its prowess or because Ryuuma is the one carried it? Not specified. It´s a great sword, but it mostly has value as Ryuuma´s inheritance.
Are black blades of same rank better or worse than their counterparts which are not black? No idea, iirc not specified either. Not every sword of same rank has the exact quality, and they each have their characteristics which can align with your strengths or be an hindrance.
I agree that Enma is dangerous to use, but here is the deal. It can bring out a lot of AP, much more than you had before, even without mastering it completely. The mastering simply entails that you can control it fully, and decide how much and when you use the strength you want to use in that exact moment, basically a more advanced problem than Zoro already had with Kitetsu.
Having said that, nothing implies that the potential AP Zoro can bring out of Enma even without fully mastering it, is below that of Shusui, only thing that is implied is that with Shusui he was in complete control.
And that is indicated to me in Enma´s introduction, Zoro aimed at cutting the tree, somethign he would have done so with the other swords, but Enma forced out much more AP and cut the hill, only it was detrimental to Zoro and his Haki.
We have no idea how the swords relate. Is Shusui that renowned because of its prowess or because Ryuuma is the one carried it? Not specified. It´s a great sword, but it mostly has value as Ryuuma´s inheritance.
Are black blades of same rank better or worse than their counterparts which are not black? No idea, iirc not specified either. Not every sword of same rank has the exact quality, and they each have their characteristics which can align with your strengths or be an hindrance.
I agree that Enma is dangerous to use, but here is the deal. It can bring out a lot of AP, much more than you had before, even without mastering it completely. The mastering simply entails that you can control it fully, and decide how much and when you use the strength you want to use in that exact moment, basically a more advanced problem than Zoro already had with Kitetsu.
Having said that, nothing implies that the potential AP Zoro can bring out of Enma even without fully mastering it, is below that of Shusui, only thing that is implied is that with Shusui he was in complete control.
And that is indicated to me in Enma´s introduction, Zoro aimed at cutting the tree, somethign he would have done so with the other swords, but Enma forced out much more AP and cut the hill, only it was detrimental to Zoro and his Haki.
It is specified though. A Black Blade acts like a permanently hardened sword, that’s what the Mihawk flashback in Dressrosa told us. We know from the first time that Zoro used it on TB that it’s harder and stronger than a usual sword.
That’s not what it does. Enma didn’t make Zoro do something he couldn’t do before. We’ve seem him do more than he did to the cliff when he fought Pica. What it does is make you use your maximum regardless of intent.
Great swordsmanship is all about control. Can’t cut paper but can cut steel because you only cut what you want to cut, “a sword without subtlety is but an iron bar.” It’s obvious that if you have two swords of the exact same rank, of similar pedigree, but you can’t control one, then you’re better off with the one that you can control
That’s not what it does. Enma didn’t make Zoro do something he couldn’t do before. We’ve seem him do more than he did to the cliff when he fought Pica. What it does is make you use your maximum regardless of intent.
Great swordsmanship is all about control. Can’t cut paper but can cut steel because you only cut what you want to cut, “a sword without subtlety is but an iron bar.” It’s obvious that if you have two swords of the exact same rank, of similar pedigree, but you can’t control one, then you’re better off with the one that you can control
And swords can be harder without Haki than those with, thats jusz your Interpretation of it.
And even if you assume that, Haki is a given in anx fight now, so it used in any serious fight, and nothing says hardened shusui is above anx other hardened sword of the same rank.
Also not specified.
If the only thing Enma was doing is making Zoro force to give out his Haki without doing more than other swords with it, there would be no reason to use it, since other swords will so the exact same thing.
Too philosophical, we are talking about specified applications. Of course control is always better, control is not always stronger.
And even if you assume that, Haki is a given in anx fight now, so it used in any serious fight, and nothing says hardened shusui is above anx other hardened sword of the same rank.
Also not specified.
If the only thing Enma was doing is making Zoro force to give out his Haki without doing more than other swords with it, there would be no reason to use it, since other swords will so the exact same thing.
Too philosophical, we are talking about specified applications. Of course control is always better, control is not always stronger.
That's where you are wrong. How does Enma make him stronger if that was the case?
Enma allows sword users to draw more Haki than they normally could have, and that's the special Enma Power.
Zoro can control how much he could allow Enma to use his Ryou, and when he allows Enma to use all his Ryou in his final attack that's when he will cut Kaidou. Since he can control it, it wouldn't kill him when he make that slash.
If Oden really a legend, then that's clear present Zoro can't achieve what he was capable of, but with Enma Zoro can manage one attack of that level. Afterall 4 high tiers together couldn't do it.
Enma allows sword users to draw more Haki than they normally could have, and that's the special Enma Power.
Zoro can control how much he could allow Enma to use his Ryou, and when he allows Enma to use all his Ryou in his final attack that's when he will cut Kaidou. Since he can control it, it wouldn't kill him when he make that slash.
If Oden really a legend, then that's clear present Zoro can't achieve what he was capable of, but with Enma Zoro can manage one attack of that level. Afterall 4 high tiers together couldn't do it.
