Controversial We need to talk about ACoC

#1
New chapter, new discussion about whether X character used ACoC.

This is embarrassing and the worst thing is that ACOC IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS ACOA, its only function is to "improve" the hits, something that ACOA already did.

LODA created two identical skills that can't even be differentiated correctly in the manga, it's a disaster
 
#2
In fact, we had extremely large lightning bolts when two Haoshoku users collided and this happened with Doffy vs Luffy, now why lightning during a clash when what is being used is COA and not Acoc? Armament vs Armament.

I will follow the logical path which is:
Kuzan
Kizaru
Gaban - does not own Acoc.

I lean more towards the possibility of Gaban owning it than the other two above.
 
#8
I'm starting to believe Oda completely made up aCOC on the spot during Wano because he knew Luffy spending 2 weeks improving his COA wouldn't be enough of a justification for him to go from being unable to hurt Kaido at all to defeating him.

In the very arc Oda introduced, he was unable to stay consistent.
We were first led "no touching" was an aspect of aCOC yet we have dozen of scenes of Kaido and Luffy using it while directly touching each other just in their fight.

Then reread Luffy vs Katakuri, the haki lightning flow like aCOC and you even got zap zap sfx even though obviously neither of them used it

:risitears:
 
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#9
Imagine CoA as a Liquid that passes through your Skin or whatever you're Touching,
Imagine CoC as same Element but in Gas Form that you release to cover Area around you,

When you Focus CoA, it Hardens your Skin or your Weapon or whatever Area you sent that Liquid to,
When you Focus CoC, you're actually weaponizing that Area that the Gas was covering & making it Compact or Compressing it,
(It's literally just like Gura Gura No Mi)

Also since CoC Users can learn to direct their CoC (That Gas) like Rayleigh did when He only wanted to Target Disco, that means CoC Coating isn't always a Sphere, it can be Re-Shaped just like Swordsmen would do

In other words,

Think of Hardening CoA as if Daz Bonez was punching you,
Think of Barrier CoA as if Bartolomeo was punching you,
Think of CoC Coating as if WB was punching you,

So yeah, they look the same cuz it's the same Haki, in all Techniques you're using your Spiritual Energy, it's just how They effect things that is different, that's all

Stop looking at Lightning Effects, They help but They aren't the Main Indicator,
Barrier CoA still requires you touch your Target, it's just that your reach extends beyond your Body, hence your Skin is Safe,
But CoC Coating is like Gura Gura No Mi, you're basically Punching the Space itself

This means Gaban didn't use Adv. CoC, that was just Hardening,
 
#10
New chapter, new discussion about whether X character used ACoC.

This is embarrassing and the worst thing is that ACOC IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS ACOA, its only function is to "improve" the hits, something that ACOA already did.

LODA created two identical skills that can't even be differentiated correctly in the manga, it's a disaster
AdCoC is both AdCoA application in one, Barrier and Internal damage..

AdCoA is either Internal Damage or Barrier, they can't be used simultaneously..

AdCoA was essentially an AdCoC training..

No AdCoC nor AdCoA was used in the last chapter..
 
#11
Haki is not even system. There is no fundamental or no rules. Who can learn , what is stage of learning, what is standard of having will power, will power is energy ? How much ysage consume it ?How can they be activated like coo csn be always active ? none of them has no answer. This universe only created based on devil fruit , then Oda made up this system and always added some thing arbitrary without no sense.
actually, oda even betrayed his original devil fruit system.
i will explain why you should not care power system.
1. Give Kaido one of the best devil fruit in one piece
2. Say devil fruit nothing compared to haki
3. But when luffy make nika transformation, leak immense amount of haki which is total bulshit. Since we know no relation betwen them.
oda just want to solve logia problem in universe since impossible to fight against them without having anything. But coa was enough to solve thet. Coo and coc unnecessary haki type make powert system suckk
 
#12
I'm starting to believe Oda completely made up aCOC on the spot during Wano because he knew Luffy spending 2 weeks improving his COA wouldn't be enough of a justification for him to go from being unable to hurt Kaido at all to defeating him.

In the very arc Oda introduced, he was unable to stay consistent.
We were first led "no touching" was an aspect of aCOC yet we have dozen of scenes of Kaido and Luffy using it while directly touching each other just in their fight.

Then reread Luffy vs Katakuri, the haki lightning flow like aCOC and you even got zap zap sfx even though obviously neither of them used it

:risitears:
This is where Oda decided to create the cOC coating concept
After this fight, Oda went on to make this possible during Oden's flashbacks

to me Zangiri mochi is adCoC move
 
#13
This is where Oda decided to create the cOC coating concept
After this fight, Oda went on to make this possible during Oden's flashbacks

to me Zangiri mochi is adCoC move
I think there's a high chance that if Katakuri comes back and gets a real fight, he will show aCOC, and Zangiri mochi might be retconned as a COC move
But I doubt Oda thought of it as aCOC back when he drew the scene, it's likely that it only truly became a thing with Roger vs Whitebeard and Oden scarring Kaido.
When Kaido and Big Mom clashed there was no haki lightning when their weapon collided, only the panel after when he drew the sky splitting meaning that visually he hasn't properly decided on how it would look at least.
 
#14
I think there's a high chance that if Katakuri comes back and gets a real fight, he will show aCOC, and Zangiri mochi might be retconned as a COC move
But I doubt Oda thought of it as aCOC back when he drew the scene, it's likely that it only truly became a thing with Roger vs Whitebeard and Oden scarring Kaido.
When Kaido and Big Mom clashed there was no haki lightning when their weapon collided, only the panel after when he drew the sky splitting meaning that visually he hasn't properly decided on how it would look at least.
Oda thought of it since katakuri vs Luffy
Look at the whole attacking pattern :
Katakuri is oozing so much from his arm
Not just CoA but also CoC
That's why you the the zap zap sfx around

Roger vs Wb was just the moment he finally said "lemme call this CoC coating"

Up until now, nobody (using basic CoC/coa) has been drawn oozing so much Haki trails like katakuri
Oda definitely did this to showcase Katakuri's haki but then realised "I can make this into advanced CoC later on"
 
#16
As far as I can see the only way to be absolutely certain is

-someone faints
-skysplitting
-character says it’s CoC

Even no touching is not enough cause that might be ACoA.

I’m (obviously) a Garp fan and I can’t even say I‘m 100% sure Garp used ACoC with Galaxy Impact. I think he did, but the lack of any fodder foaming at the mouth makes it uncertain.
Garp do have Lightening trails in Galaxy impact and blue hole if I'm not wrong.
Which is only Conqueror Coating traits.

None of the users except already confirmed Conqueror Coating has ever shown that
 
#17
As far as I can see the only way to be absolutely certain is

-someone faints
-skysplitting
-character says it’s CoC

Even no touching is not enough cause that might be ACoA.

I’m (obviously) a Garp fan and I can’t even say I‘m 100% sure Garp used ACoC with Galaxy Impact. I think he did, but the lack of any fodder foaming at the mouth makes it uncertain.
garp was confirmed as a coc user in the vivre card after hachinosu so isn't it a confirmation that he showcased acoc ?
 
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