Questions & Mysteries Is Blackbeard the Earth God?

[The White Crane]

--In the latest chapter we see imu having the ability to turn giants to devils/demons with a contract. Imu gunko also looks like devil which looks similar to devil figure at the left side of mural.

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--This also strongly suggest that imu is forest god or is related to it given the second world text includes "The forest god tamed demons" which look similar to making devil contracts. Imu also was joyboy opponent during second world.

--This leaves the question of what is going to be the role of earth god in current era.

--I have seen some saying that imu , forest god and earth god are same but then why are they known as two different gods?

--Luffy , joyboy and nika all are sun god. It doesn't make sense for both forest god and earth god to be same being where as nika and his reincarnates all known as sun god.

--Blackbeard being related to earth god is good possibility given he will be endgame villain and just like BB has darkness fruit , earth god in first world shrouded the world in death and "darkness"

--Imu also seemed to be interested in 3 beings in reverie - Poseidon (Storm god) , Luffy (Sun god) and BB (Earth God)

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--Earth god is also related to hell serpent which can be red line.

--If Earth God is neither related to Blackbeard or Imu , I don't see why they created outside of adding more lore.

Thoughts?

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Well, @Blackbeard does look round like the earth, so...

 

[Sir Yasheen]

That is my point. Why would they be named as 2 different gods. Seems bizarre. JB , luffy , nika are all sun god for comparison. Anyways we shall see.

But even they have different titles in Elbaf Joyboy the destroyer vs Nika the liberator.

 

[MonsterKaido]

But even they have different titles in Elbaf Joyboy the destroyer vs Nika the liberator.

Sun God Nika

JB and luffy are simply names of people. Earth god or forest god are not names per say.

 

[Peppercore]

At this point i dont know what that stuff slightly means
Im not even sure nika existed for real tbh

Gods as they exist in myth...no of course not. Oda has gone out of his way to say gods ruling above aint right/not even real. I don't think nika was ever a real god...i think he was real but over time things got distorted. All these so called gods i believe were just people or beings at one point

 

[kekaro]

Gods as they exist in myth...no of course not. Oda has gone out of his way to say gods ruling above aint right/not even real. I don't think nika was ever a real god...i think he was real but over time things got distorted. All these so called gods i believe were just people or beings at one point

What i mean is more like if nika wasnt just a concept that the slaves dreamt of (dream = dfs)
Like as in that person is not real at all and patchwork of wishes and dreams and certain events that was not 1 person

 

[OykotsTreasure]

I don't think Blackbeard is the Earth God. But, I think he IS trying to get Fruits that are similar to the other Gods, in order to mimick their power.

Blackbeard's Darkness Fruit is a possible counter to the Sun God Fruit. The Quake Fruit seems similar to the idea of the Earth God Fruit. If he gets a third Fruit, it could be a counter or substitute for the Forest God Fruit. I think the idea is that Blackbeard is trying to get Devil Fruits that would allow him to counter all the other God-level Fruits. Allowing him to solo all the Gods, if necessary.



I think it's likely that the "Gods" were actually created by large groups of people all wishing for the same basic things together. Potentially a large group of slaves wishing for things together that they didn't have.

The Sun God Fruit is the wish for "freedom". That seems pretty obvious at the moment. It's basically been outright stated.

The Forest God Fruit (the one Imu likely just displayed) is most likely the wish for "play" or "fun". Since Imu's Fruit powers seem to revolve around games like Othello and Onigokko/Tag and Clue, it seems this is the most likely "inspiration" for this God Fruit. It also explains why the Celestial Dragons are so obsessed with games.

The other two Gods we really don't know enough about yet. But, if we want to purely speculate, I think they could be:

The Earth God Fruit could be the wish for "strength" or "justice". The wish that the slaves could be stronger than those who oppressed them. I'm basing this PURELY on the Hellflame Serpent in the 1138 Mural going on a rampage.

The Sea God Fruit could be the wish for "revenge" or "control". The wish to punish those who did them wrong. Given the stories about the "Sea Devil" or "Mother Ocean" cursing Devil Fruit users, I could see this God Fruit as being the only God born from a "negative" wish. And putting this God at odds with the Sun God, who wants everyone to be free.

There's also potentially a "missing" fifth god, to represent all five elements. Gold or Metal. But...I'm not even sure if that's even a thing that will be brought up in the story. And it might just be Sengoku's Golden Buddha Fruit, anyway. Just bringing it up.



As for who the other Gods are?

I'll admit, I'm a little split on who our secret Earth God could be. I think it could be either Caribou or Boa Hancock. Caribou has swampy "earth" powers that lets him store a suspiciously large amount of stuff inside himself. That feels like a potentially "godly" power. Boa Hancock has the power to literally turn people to stone. And the "Snake Statues" on Amazon Lily remind me a LOT of the Hellflame Serpent. It's possible that those statues actually ARE the petrified remains of the Hellflame Serpent and that's what Blackbeard wanted Boa's Love powers to de-petrify. Maybe it's even someone we haven't met yet. But, my money is on one of these two.

And I think if anyone is our secret Sea God, it's likely Blackbeard. I think that's likely the "Fallen Angel" silhouette on the Third World portion of the 1138 Mural. Not the 3 "sparks" around the "Fallen Angel"'s hands, which mirror the 3 "sparks" around the moon on the other side of the page. Blackbeard is associated with the number 3, due to the 3 skulls on his jolly roger and the 3 guns he has on him. Also, the "Fallen Angel" is kinda-sorta shaped like a tidal wave. Blackbeard has the power to nullify Fruit powers, similar to how water affects Users. I think this fits the best.

Although, there is an alternative to this. It's possible that Blackbeard actually has ANOTHER Sun God Fruit. Only this is the "dark side" of the Sun Fruit. Instead of being formed from "freedom", Blackbeard's Sun God Fruit could be born from a wish for "chaos" or "anarchy". Luffy and Blackbeard have been shown to be mirrors of each other for a while now. And I do like the idea of different groups of people having different perspectives on the same people. Causing two Fruits to be inspired by the same person or event. Where the uprising slaves saw a righteous liberator, the overthrown former rulers saw a dangerous terrorist. That would make Blackbeard's "sun" actually a "black hole" that's collapsed in upon itself. I'm not sure which idea I actually like better.

So, maybe there's more than just the Four Gods we currently know about? One way or another? Either way, we'll probably find out about all four or more of these Gods by the end of the series.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I'll admit, I'm a little split on who our secret Earth God could be. I think it could be either Caribou or Boa Hancock. Caribou has swampy "earth" powers that lets him store a suspiciously large amount of stuff inside himself. That feels like a potentially "godly" power. Boa Hancock has the power to literally turn people to stone. And the "Snake Statues" on Amazon Lily remind me a LOT of the Hellflame Serpent. It's possible that those statues actually ARE the petrified remains of the Hellflame Serpent and that's what Blackbeard wanted Boa's Love powers to de-petrify. Maybe it's even someone we haven't met yet. But, my money is on one of these two.

And I think if anyone is our secret Sea God, it's likely Blackbeard. I think that's likely the "Fallen Angel" silhouette on the Third World portion of the 1138 Mural. Not the 3 "sparks" around the "Fallen Angel"'s hands, which mirror the 3 "sparks" around the moon on the other side of the page. Blackbeard is associated with the number 3, due to the 3 skulls on his jolly roger and the 3 guns he has on him. Also, the "Fallen Angel" is kinda-sorta shaped like a tidal wave. Blackbeard has the power to nullify Fruit powers, similar to how water affects Users. I think this fits the best.

Although, there is an alternative to this. It's possible that Blackbeard actually has ANOTHER Sun God Fruit. Only this is the "dark side" of the Sun Fruit. Instead of being formed from "freedom", Blackbeard's Sun God Fruit could be born from a wish for "chaos" or "anarchy". Luffy and Blackbeard have been shown to be mirrors of each other for a while now. And I do like the idea of different groups of people having different perspectives on the same people. Causing two Fruits to be inspired by the same person or event. Where the uprising slaves saw a righteous liberator, the overthrown former rulers saw a dangerous terrorist. That would make Blackbeard's "sun" actually a "black hole" that's collapsed in upon itself. I'm not sure which idea I actually like better.

So, maybe there's more than just the Four Gods we currently know about? One way or another? Either way, we'll probably find out about all four or more of these Gods by the end of the series.

Sun god has nothing to do with sun powers. So earth god most likely has no direct co relation with earth powers.

I do agree with BB being possibly be a dark version of nika though.

 

[OykotsTreasure]

Sun god has nothing to do with sun powers. So earth god most likely has no direct co relation with earth powers.

Well, both Caribou and Hancock's powers are still different enough from typical "Earth" powers to still be in the running, in my opinion.

Technically, Boa's powers are "love" based. Which fits the pattern if the Earth God was formed for a wish for "Love".

And Caribou's powers have more to do with having a infinite bag of holding or a pocket dimension than the Earth itself. I think they still fit the criteria. So, possibly this version of the Earth God could be formed by a wish for "Greed".

I'll admit, I am swayed by them having "earth-adjacent" powers, though. But, both characters ae also important enough that finding out they're "Secret Gods" would be a fun reveal in the story.

I suppose Law could be another potential candidate for having a God Fruit, now that I think about it. His Op-Op Fruit could be formed by a wish for "Health" or "Healing" which would fit the pattern I'm seeing for the other two Gods we know a bit more about. Not sure if he makes for a better candidate for a Earth or Sea God, though. His "Moon" Hat makes me lean toward a potentially friendly version of the Sea God, due to the moon controlling the tides. But, it'd be a toss up between the two.

I don't know, I suppose there' s a lot of characters who could be "Secret Gods". And that's not even getting into characters like Monkey D Dragon, who likely has some sort of Wind or Storm based Fruit, but it hasn't actually been revealed, yet.

 

[Garp the Fist]

But why is Blackbeard earth God, any explanation on that?

We know there’s something special about his ancestory, he’s the only person who can eat two DFs, never slept, a D, weird body. Imu hates him enough to hold him in the same light as two other gods (Luffy and Shirahoshi). So I think that’s enough for him personally to be the other god candidate.

And from a powers perspective, his DF lets him make earthquakes, which is pretty fitting for the earth god. And the Harley said that the earth god (along with the serpent) also shrouded the world in death and darkness, so the Yami is covered too.

 

[Blackbeard]

earth god in first world shrouded the world in death and "darkness"

世界を死と闇で包んだ = enveloped the world in death and darkness.

@PuckTheGreat can you confirm if the word for "darkness" here is the same for Yami?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

tamed demons" which look similar to making devil contracts

They sound like polar opposites to me.

There is also the idea that not all royal families were happy with this or the current Figarland one is not and they have not made the pact with Imu like the others and hence may stage an internal revolt too

Interesting, I've never heard of this theory. Is there more to it?

They all probably existed but I don’t think they were gods.

Nika was probably just a normal man who freed the slaves of the first world

Wouldn't be too dissimilar to how deification in various polytheistic religions works.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

They sound like polar opposites to me.

Interesting, I've never heard of this theory. Is there more to it?


Wouldn't be too dissimilar to how deification in various polytheistic religions works.

Yeah especially looking at Luffy and his abilities all of it can be explained as a regular dude who fought using island clouds. Highly flexible and stretchy, white, and incredibly strong

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Yeah especially looking at Luffy and his abilities all of it can be explained as a regular dude who fought using island clouds. Highly flexible and stretchy, white, and incredibly strong

Especially if Oda keeps following the 'magic is actually science' theme

 

[PuckTheGreat]

世界を死と闇で包んだ = enveloped the world in death and darkness.

@PuckTheGreat can you confirm if the word for "darkness" here is the same for Yami?

Yh its Yami ^^

 

[Rumble]

Blackbeard is the D Clan member Vegapunk was trying to warn the world about.

He is a possibly both a Buccaneer and the son of Rocks.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

世界を死と闇で包んだ = enveloped the world in death and darkness.

@PuckTheGreat can you confirm if the word for "darkness" here is the same for Yami?

To give a bit more context though.
The original text said ‘Earth god’ & ‘Inferno Serpent’ enveloped the world in death & darkness so it isn’t only being attributed to the earth god but both beings.

 

[Blazing Lion]

They sound like polar opposites to me.

Interesting, I've never heard of this theory. Is there more to it?


Wouldn't be too dissimilar to how deification in various polytheistic religions works.

I don't really remember much, read it here or on twitter but the idea is that the Figarlands are not happy being below Imu and Gorosei, they want to have power themselves. And since none of the three themselves have shown a mythical awakening (Shamrock has his sword and Garling possibly also) they never did the immortality pact with Imu and hence are free from his control to some degree unlike others (Saturn died when Imu cancelled the contract I think). You can also see Garling being told to show some respect by the Gorosei and all three members are on that final saga battle double page.

 

[nik87]

Imu is for sure the Forest God from the 2nd world.
While Blackbeard may be the Earth god, he may also not be. There is also the Rain god that Harley doesnt mention but speaks of the troubled shadow that remembers... Unless Oda retconed Rain god into Sea god, this should be an option as well. He may not be any of the gods mentioned. He is an anomaly and may be built as the counter for Sun, Sea and Earth gods which ties into the known phrase Land, Sea or Air...

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Never really tried deciphering the Harley so gave it a pop ^^
More like a draft of my rough thoughts on how I perceive what I’m reading ^^

First world -> Key Words:
地に炎あり = Mother Flame
禁断の太陽 = Devil Fruits / Lineage Factor / Forbidden Knowledge
太陽の神 = Nika
地の神 = Earth God -> Imu?
業炎の蛇 = Karmic Flame Serpent

My Interpretation
There was Flame on earth (Mother Flame?) -> Humans fell prey to their desires & laid their hands on the forbidden sun (unearthed some type of knowledge & gained enlightenment?/Devil Fruits?) -> The Captive/Slaves wished & the Sun God appeared (Manifestation of God Nika in the form of a Devil Fruit & hence the birth of an existence that could challenge the tyranny of the Earth God?) -> The Earth God was enraged and together with the Karmic Flame Serpent engulf the world in blood & darkness -> They will never meet again (The Captive & Nika?)

Second World -> Key Words:
虚無に息吹があり-> Hope was birth from Void/Nothingness
森の神が魔を遣わせた -> Forest God ‘dispatched/sent forth’ demons
太陽は戦火を広げるばかり -> The Sun spreads flames of war
半月の人が夢を見た = The Half moon people dreamed
月の人が夢を見た = The Moon people dreamed
人が太陽を殺し神となった = Man slayed the Sun & became God
海の神が荒ぶった -> The Sea God goes into a frenzy

My interpretation:
Hope was born from void/nothingness (Reappearance of Nika Fruit?) -> Forest God dispatched demons (to snuff out the new threat?) -> The Sun spreads flames of war (Fake/Evil Sun god?) -> The Half moon & moon people dreamed again -> Man slays the Sun & became god (Joyboy slays the fake Sun god & became god 🤔) -> The Sea God went into a frenzy? (Joyboy died so Poseidon lost her mind, maybe they were lovers?) -> They will never meet again (Joyboy & Poseidon?)

Notes:
Interesting that even though the word ‘Sun’ is used several times the phrase ‘Sun God’ didn’t come up at all in this world even though we clearly see Nika fighting against & evil figure with a Sun.

Third World -> Key Words:

混沌に空白あり = There is Void in Chaos (Void Century)
不都合な残穢は約束の日を思い出し = Inconvenient remnants of the past remember the promise (Poneglyphs?)
片割れ月の声を聞く太陽の神は踊り、笑い = The Sun God who hears the voice of the half moon laughs & dances
世界を終末へと導く太陽は回帰し = The Sun that will lead the world to its end makes a resurgence
新し朝が来る = a new dawn will come
彼らはきっと会えるだろう = They will surely meet again.

My interpretation:
There is void in chaos -> inconvenient remnants of the past remember the promise (poneglyphs) -> The Sun God who hears the voice of the half moon laughs & dances -> The Sun that will lead the world to its end makes a resurgence and a new dawn will come -> They will surely meet again (Joyboy & Poseidon / Joyboy & those that dream of his resurgence?)

Notes: Third world is by far the easiest to decipher & pretty straight forward. Also interesting that it’s said the sun god makes a resurgence in the third world whereas he isn’t referenced in the second 🤔

Also in hindsight maybe the ‘They will never meet again’-> ‘They will never meet again’ -> ‘They will surely meet again’ is in reference Nika & those that hope for his arrival 🤔

World 2 is defo the hardest to understand with the usage of Sun being the most peculiar. Have a strong feeling that world 2 is why some believe that Nika’s evil & might bring the destruction of the world.

Sea God & Sun God are most likely referring to Poseidon & Nika but even though Forest God matches Imu’s abilities he also looks like the earth god from world one. So it’s prolly best to consider the different parts as being told by different people hence why the names of certain gods might be different even though they could be referring to the same thing

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Never really tried deciphering the Harley so gave it a pop ^^
More like a draft of my rough thoughts on how I perceive what I’m reading ^^

First world -> Key Words:
地に炎あり = Mother Flame
禁断の太陽 = Devil Fruits / Lineage Factor / Forbidden Knowledge
太陽の神 = Nika
地の神 = Earth God -> Imu?
業炎の蛇 = Karmic Serpent

My Interpretation
There was Flame on earth (Mother Flame?) -> Humans fell prey to their desires & laid their hands on the forbidden sun (unearthed some type of knowledge & gained enlightenment?/Devil Fruits?) -> The Captive/Slaves wished & the Sun God appeared (Manifestation of God Nika in the form of a Devil Fruit & hence the birth of an existence that could challenge the tyranny of the Earth God?) -> The Earth God was enraged and together with the Karmic Serpent engulf the world in blood & darkness -> They will never meet again (The Captive & Nika?)

Second World -> Key Words:
虚無に息吹があり-> Hope was birth from Void/Nothingness
森の神が魔を遣わせた -> Forest God ‘dispatched/sent forth’ demons
太陽は戦火を広げるばかり -> The Sun spreads flames of war
半月の人が夢を見た = The Half moon people dreamed
月の人が夢を見た = The Moon people dreamed
人が太陽を殺し神となった = Man slayed the Sun & became God
海の神が荒ぶった -> The Sea God goes into a frenzy

My interpretation:
Hope was born from void/nothingness (Reappearance of Nika Fruit?) -> Forest God dispatched demons (to snuff out the new threat?) -> The Sun spreads flames of war (Fake/Evil Sun god?) -> The Half moon & moon people dreamed again -> Man slays the Sun & became god (Joyboy slays the fake Sun god & became god 🤔) -> The Sea God went into a frenzy? (Joyboy died so Poseidon lost her mind, maybe they were lovers?) -> They will never meet again (Joyboy & Poseidon?)

Notes:
Interesting that even though the word ‘Sun’ is used several times the phrase ‘Sun God’ didn’t come up at all in this world even though we clearly see Nika fighting against & evil figure with a Sun.

Third World -> Key Words:

混沌に空白あり = There is Void in Chaos (Void Century)
不都合な残穢は約束の日を思い出し = Inconvenient remnants of the past remember the promise (Poneglyphs?)
片割れ月の声を聞く太陽の神は踊り、笑い = The Sun God who hears the voice of the half moon laughs & dances
世界を終末へと導く太陽は回帰し = The Sun that will lead the world to its end makes a resurgence
新し朝が来る = a new dawn will come
彼らはきっと会えるだろう = They will surely meet again.

My interpretation:
There is void in chaos -> inconvenient remnants of the past remember the promise (poneglyphs) -> The Sun God who hears the voice of the half moon laughs & dances -> The Sun that will lead the world to its end makes a resurgence and a new dawn will come -> They will surely meet again (Joyboy & Poseidon / Joyboy & those that dream of his resurgence?)

Notes: Third world is by far the easiest to decipher & pretty straight forward. Also interesting that it’s said the sun god makes a resurgence in the third world whereas he isn’t referenced in the second 🤔

Also in hindsight maybe the ‘They will never meet again’-> ‘They will never meet again’ -> ‘They will surely meet again’ is in reference Nika & those that hope for his arrival 🤔

World 2 is defo the hardest to understand with the usage of Sun being the most peculiar. Have a strong feeling that world 2 is why some believe that Nika’s evil & might bring the destruction of the world.

Sea God & Sun God are most likely referring to Poseidon & Nika but even though Forest God matches Imu’s abilities he also looks like the earth god from world one. So it’s prolly best to consider the different parts as being told by different people hence why the names of certain gods might be different even though they could be referring to the same thing

I think the They mentioned at the end of each passage is in regards to the people of the world and how at the end of each world they get more and more separated.

The term Pangaea castle means that their likely was once a Pangaea in the OP world, however after the first world they split into the continents, the earth god raged. (we know they existed prior to the void century) Then at the end of the second world we know the continents drowned to create islands in its stead, the Sea god stormed.