Questions & Mysteries Is Blackbeard the Earth God?

PuckTheGreat · May 31, 2025

Hmmn interesting. You think the last phrase at the end ‘they will never meet again’ means physical separation/displacement of people hence the Pangea theory 🤔
Makes sense ^^
On the second second bit are you saying that the continents drowned as a result of Poseidon going into a frenzy? Coz I feel there’s a strong indication that Imu is responsible for that with him erasing islands and shit.

ElderOnitar · May 31, 2025

PuckTheGreat said:

Karmic serpent? Not hellfire?

Sir Yasheen · May 31, 2025

PuckTheGreat said:

I think the sinking wasn’t Imus doing but Lilys and Poseidons. I think the reason the world was flooded was to spread out the poneglyphs. Just like how Roger and Oden lost the fight but instead made sure to set the stage for a new generation to come and win the war.

PuckTheGreat · May 31, 2025

ElderOnitar said:

Could be translated either as ‘Hellfire Serpent’ or ‘Karmic Flame serpent’. Japanese words have different meanings sometimes. Couldn’t find enough info on the word Gouen which Oda used but a similar word Gouka can either refer to intense flames or flames that torment a bad person for their evil actions. Flames in the latter interpretation is a figure of speech.

if you put that word in Google TL though it’d bring up inferno snake

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On the topic of what Blackbeard could potentially represent though in the Harley, I think Serpent is a good shout maybe?
Just coz of what the serpent usually represents i.e. a deciever/opportunist of sorts, savy, conniving etc.
I also think the "Karmic Flame" phrase also fits with Blackbeard. Someone that his consumed with desire and greed and who's downfall will probably be a result of that. There's also the bit of his character where it is said that he doesn't sleep (i.e. so that could be torment of sorts? indicative of a cursed body?)
The only thing that throws me off about the snake is the "X"s on it, which is similar to the SHs, Nakama "X" symbol

nik87 · May 31, 2025

PuckTheGreat said:

These are the 3 worlds and each of them is a story of a different Sun God.
1st world is a story about Nika, the original one.
2nd world is a story about Joyboy.
3rd world is a story about Luffy.

The hardest to decipher is the 1st world because we know the least about it. The mural shows the 2nd world on the left and 1st world on the right. Left part is pretty much straight forward, depicting the Void Century war against the demon that is Imu. The only thing I cannot figure out on the left side is the flame/sun in Imu's hands. I know what it is supposed to be but I dont know why he doesnt have it anymore. I will give my interpretation and hopefully it clarifies some things.

1st world:

The story here is about a well known thing in Eastern literature, Journey to the West and it is called the Sutra. Sutra is the >flame within the earth part. I dont remember in JTTW where Sutra initially was but it was stolen and that is the part of >humans fell to desire and touched the forbidden sun. In JTTW the Sutra flame is a very powerful thing that many seek to obtain and that is probably what Imu is holding in the 2nd world.

The mystery of the first world is who was enslaved and by who... The Flame within Earth and the forbidden sun should be the same thing. Considering that all that happened in the 1st world made Earth God furious, it could mean that slaves were his as well as the forbidden sun/flame within earth were stolen from him. He could be the monarch shown on the left in the 1st world. The odd thing is that Sun God is not depicted in the 1st world and also there is no mention whatsoever of the dragon that fights the flame serpent...

Some heavy industry is depicted tho and the slaves are offering something. Flame serpent is implied to be commanded by the Earth God, which could actually be a machine of some sort... The civilization was probably very advanced, maybe even more than the Ancient Kingdom or this was the Ancient Kingdom itself... The proof is Ancient Weapon Uranus on the left side.

Either way, Earth God caused the destruction of the 1st world and >they could not meet again refers to Nika not being able to meet again those who wished for his existence because Nika was killed. What happened to Earth God, the serpent and the dragon remains a mystery...

2nd world:
In the destruction left by the war of the 1st world, new hope/life/breath emerges.
There is a big time-skip between this line and the next, where Forest God dispatches demons.
A conflict between Ancient Kingdom and the 20 Kings arose and that is when Imu takes the stage.
Appearance of Joyboy only further spreads the conflict as many others join his side.
D clan and Lunarians should be the people who dreamt. Why Lunarians? Because they were probably massacred in the 1st world, >long before Mariejois was founded on top of the RedLine...
20 Kings slayed Joyboy and became gods, the Celestial Dragons. Joyboy's Death sent Poseidon into frenzy because they could not meet again...

The mystery is, as I already mentioned, the forbidden sun/flame within earth, in Imu's hands. Motherflame is just an incomplete version of this thing. It is probably the reason why Imu won that war but somehow Joyboy's allies managed to steal that flame away from him...
You know what the funny thing is? The sutra is not always depicted as a flame but as scriptures...

Rings a bell? Lily's "mistake" from 800 years ago? Poneglyphs are those scriptures! It is not a mistake whatsoever, Lily noticed Imu's true intentions and removed the forbidden flame from his grasp by shattering it into many pieces and spreading it across the world.

3rd world:

In the destruction left behind the war, Void Century is erased from people's memories.
Lingering shadow remembers is probably the 2nd soul within Blackbeard. Who knows...
Same for the voices of the half moon. D clan memories? Voice of all things?

The sun God laughs and dances. The Sun god leads the world to its end.
Are we sure this is the same guy? Considering Loki is the Sun God who will end the world?
The sun will return is interesting, maybe refers to Luffy's death and rebirth?
New Dawn brings the reunion of Sun God and his allies?

Jailer · May 31, 2025

Garp the Fist said:

Actually I never thought that way. Quake powers are often associated with earth in fiction. Blackbeard is well covered in that aspect to at least symbolize the earth god feom that mural

The only downside is that there is a rough design of Nika, Imu's devil power, Joyboy's allies, while Blackbeard looks nothing like the earth god unless he eats a third df, or some incarnation shit going on and the spirit of the earth god living within him idk

@Blackbeard @MonsterKaido etc

kekaro · May 31, 2025

PuckTheGreat said:

Never really tried deciphering the Harley so gave it a pop ^^
More like a draft of my rough thoughts on how I perceive what I’m reading ^^

First world -> Key Words:
地に炎あり = Mother Flame
禁断の太陽 = Devil Fruits / Lineage Factor / Forbidden Knowledge
太陽の神 = Nika
地の神 = Earth God -> Imu?
業炎の蛇 = Karmic Flame Serpent

My Interpretation
There was Flame on earth (Mother Flame?) -> Humans fell prey to their desires & laid their hands on the forbidden sun (unearthed some type of knowledge & gained enlightenment?/Devil Fruits?) -> The Captive/Slaves wished & the Sun God appeared (Manifestation of God Nika in the form of a Devil Fruit & hence the birth of an existence that could challenge the tyranny of the Earth God?) -> The Earth God was enraged and together with the Karmic Flame Serpent engulf the world in blood & darkness -> They will never meet again (The Captive & Nika?)

Second World -> Key Words:
虚無に息吹があり-> Hope was birth from Void/Nothingness
森の神が魔を遣わせた -> Forest God ‘dispatched/sent forth’ demons
太陽は戦火を広げるばかり -> The Sun spreads flames of war
半月の人が夢を見た = The Half moon people dreamed
月の人が夢を見た = The Moon people dreamed
人が太陽を殺し神となった = Man slayed the Sun & became God
海の神が荒ぶった -> The Sea God goes into a frenzy

My interpretation:
Hope was born from void/nothingness (Reappearance of Nika Fruit?) -> Forest God dispatched demons (to snuff out the new threat?) -> The Sun spreads flames of war (Fake/Evil Sun god?) -> The Half moon & moon people dreamed again -> Man slays the Sun & became god (Joyboy slays the fake Sun god & became god 🤔) -> The Sea God went into a frenzy? (Joyboy died so Poseidon lost her mind, maybe they were lovers?) -> They will never meet again (Joyboy & Poseidon?)

Notes:
Interesting that even though the word ‘Sun’ is used several times the phrase ‘Sun God’ didn’t come up at all in this world even though we clearly see Nika fighting against & evil figure with a Sun.

Third World -> Key Words:

混沌に空白あり = There is Void in Chaos (Void Century)
不都合な残穢は約束の日を思い出し = Inconvenient remnants of the past remember the promise (Poneglyphs?)
片割れ月の声を聞く太陽の神は踊り、笑い = The Sun God who hears the voice of the half moon laughs & dances
世界を終末へと導く太陽は回帰し = The Sun that will lead the world to its end makes a resurgence
新し朝が来る = a new dawn will come
彼らはきっと会えるだろう = They will surely meet again.

My interpretation:
There is void in chaos -> inconvenient remnants of the past remember the promise (poneglyphs) -> The Sun God who hears the voice of the half moon laughs & dances -> The Sun that will lead the world to its end makes a resurgence and a new dawn will come -> They will surely meet again (Joyboy & Poseidon / Joyboy & those that dream of his resurgence?)

Notes: Third world is by far the easiest to decipher & pretty straight forward. Also interesting that it’s said the sun god makes a resurgence in the third world whereas he isn’t referenced in the second 🤔

Also in hindsight maybe the ‘They will never meet again’-> ‘They will never meet again’ -> ‘They will surely meet again’ is in reference Nika & those that hope for his arrival 🤔

World 2 is defo the hardest to understand with the usage of Sun being the most peculiar. Have a strong feeling that world 2 is why some believe that Nika’s evil & might bring the destruction of the world.

Sea God & Sun God are most likely referring to Poseidon & Nika but even though Forest God matches Imu’s abilities he also looks like the earth god from world one. So it’s prolly best to consider the different parts as being told by different people hence why the names of certain gods might be different even though they could be referring to the same thing

quality post
I tried to interpret it too in my free time but my japanese is way to reudmeinatry for how that stuff is written on purpouse ambigutivly

MonsterKaido · May 31, 2025

nik87 said:

These are the 3 worlds and each of them is a story of a different Sun God.
1st world is a story about Nika, the original one.
2nd world is a story about Joyboy.
3rd world is a story about Luffy.

The hardest to decipher is the 1st world because we know the least about it. The mural shows the 2nd world on the left and 1st world on the right. Left part is pretty much straight forward, depicting the Void Century war against the demon that is Imu. The only thing I cannot figure out on the left side is the flame/sun in Imu's hands. I know what it is supposed to be but I dont know why he doesnt have it anymore. I will give my interpretation and hopefully it clarifies some things.

1st world:

The story here is about a well known thing in Eastern literature, Journey to the West and it is called the Sutra. Sutra is the >flame within the earth part. I dont remember in JTTW where Sutra initially was but it was stolen and that is the part of >humans fell to desire and touched the forbidden sun. In JTTW the Sutra flame is a very powerful thing that many seek to obtain and that is probably what Imu is holding in the 2nd world.

The mystery of the first world is who was enslaved and by who... The Flame within Earth and the forbidden sun should be the same thing. Considering that all that happened in the 1st world made Earth God furious, it could mean that slaves were his as well as the forbidden sun/flame within earth were stolen from him. He could be the monarch shown on the left in the 1st world. The odd thing is that Sun God is not depicted in the 1st world and also there is no mention whatsoever of the dragon that fights the flame serpent...

Some heavy industry is depicted tho and the slaves are offering something. Flame serpent is implied to be commanded by the Earth God, which could actually be a machine of some sort... The civilization was probably very advanced, maybe even more than the Ancient Kingdom or this was the Ancient Kingdom itself... The proof is Ancient Weapon Uranus on the left side.

Either way, Earth God caused the destruction of the 1st world and >they could not meet again refers to Nika not being able to meet again those who wished for his existence because Nika was killed. What happened to Earth God, the serpent and the dragon remains a mystery...

2nd world:
In the destruction left by the war of the 1st world, new hope/life/breath emerges.
There is a big time-skip between this line and the next, where Forest God dispatches demons.
A conflict between Ancient Kingdom and the 20 Kings arose and that is when Imu takes the stage.
Appearance of Joyboy only further spreads the conflict as many others join his side.
D clan and Lunarians should be the people who dreamt. Why Lunarians? Because they were probably massacred in the 1st world, >long before Mariejois was founded on top of the RedLine...
20 Kings slayed Joyboy and became gods, the Celestial Dragons. Joyboy's Death sent Poseidon into frenzy because they could not meet again...

The mystery is, as I already mentioned, the forbidden sun/flame within earth, in Imu's hands. Motherflame is just an incomplete version of this thing. It is probably the reason why Imu won that war but somehow Joyboy's allies managed to steal that flame away from him...
You know what the funny thing is? The sutra is not always depicted as a flame but as scriptures...

Rings a bell? Lily's "mistake" from 800 years ago? Poneglyphs are those scriptures! It is not a mistake whatsoever, Lily noticed Imu's true intentions and removed the forbidden flame from his grasp by shattering it into many pieces and spreading it across the world.

3rd world:

In the destruction left behind the war, Void Century is erased from people's memories.
Lingering shadow remembers is probably the 2nd soul within Blackbeard. Who knows...
Same for the voices of the half moon. D clan memories? Voice of all things?

The sun God laughs and dances. The Sun god leads the world to its end.
Are we sure this is the same guy? Considering Loki is the Sun God who will end the world?
The sun will return is interesting, maybe refers to Luffy's death and rebirth?
New Dawn brings the reunion of Sun God and his allies?

I think sun in second world meant mother flame which imu is holding. It gives unlimited power and resource and to control it fights happened.

Sir Yasheen · May 31, 2025

My full interpretation of the first part of the passage is as followed @PuckTheGreat I used some online translators and looked into the multiple ways this was translated by others when the chapter got released so if it’s off let me know:

地に炎あり - “Within the Earth there is Flame”
人は欲望を負け = “Mankind succumbed to their greed”
禁断の太陽に触れた = “as they took the forbidden sun.”

Personally I take this literally. Inside the earth there is a forbidden sun that mankind seized in their greed. Looking the mural, we see people being lowered into the earth and returning with what appears to be late. I think odas telling us that the first “Mother Flame” was the earths core that’s being called “the forbidden sun”

The next segment feels obvious about the slaves and the sun god but after that is where things are interesting

地の神は怒り = “The Earth God raged”
業炎の蛇と共に = “and, alongside the Hellflame Serpent”
世界を死と闇で包んだ = enveloped the world in death and darkness.

This part is interesting to me because it uses the Kanji for Flame not Fire again but more importantly because the mural depicts these two in conflict. I think the earth god raged still is referring to the splitting of Pangaea; however I believe the dragon creature in the left of the first world is the “Earth God” who fought the Serpent of Hellflame which nearly destroyed both. Sealing the Serpent in Earth (the Red Line).

彼らはもう会えないのだ = “They will never meet again”

This is why I think the earth god rages is talking about a separating of the earth and its people. Because the they doesn’t seem to signify just two people, I’ve seen it translated as “they all” so looking into it, the term that means they in this sentence rarely is used for two individuals but rather for large groups.

Basically this first world is about Man stealing the core from the earth and awakening the creature that became known as the Earth God

The second passage is way harder because of the forest god line imo.

The term demons or devils here seems so ambiguous it’s hard what they mean because oda uses demons everywhere. Are they referring to the oni tribe that existed back then? That would make sense since demon giants look very similar to the oni tribe and oni are Japanese demons. Are they referring to devil fruits? Possibly which also make sense since the term forest could refer to the origins of devil fruits. Hell even early one piece talks about Luffy eating the fruit of the gum gum tree. Maybe such a forest does exist and the creator of it is the forest god. Or is it about Imu who can create demons and devils seemingly via magic hard to say tbh. All I have time to type up right now tho

PuckTheGreat · May 31, 2025

nik87 said:

Very interesting observations some of which fill some of the holes that I wasn't able to ^^
I'm in agreement with a quite a bit of what you said but will pick up on a few things I have my reservations about.

First the First World,

I think they are related but I don't think they have to be the same thing necessarily. When I read that I can't help but think of the Garden of Eden and the Forbidden Fruit in the bible. Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit gave them enlightenment and they were able to see what they were not able to see before. If we translate this to One Piece only two things come to mind and they are the poneglyphs for one which depict "forbidden history" and the "mother flame" which enabled Vegapunk to be able to do things that were not possible even with his scientific knowledge prior. Out of the two, the mother flame fits here. Then there's the fact that the "Sun God" became a thing after humans laid hands on the forbidden sun, so like you said maybe Nika the liberator actually existed in some form in the first world and the slaves became aware of his existence, which led to hoping/wishing for Nika to come liberate them and and then this lead to Nika manifesting in some form for example a Devil Fruit as Vegapunk did say Devil Fruits in general are born from peoples wishes/desires.
You also make a goof point on the the civilization in the first world being pretty advanced which I'm in agreement with ^^, which again I think is a strong point in favor he so called the flame in the first world being the mother flame and the mother Flame might very well be based off of the Sutra you referenced ^^

On the Serpent, personally I feel like that's the biggest mystery in the first world tbh 💀
Like you said it could have been a machine of sorts, maybe an ancient weapon even. The part that really sticks out to me with the serpent is the "x" on his body which is reminiscent of the "x" the strawhats used to show their bond to Vivi on Alabasta. So for some reason I can't shake it's potential relation to Vivi and then Loki's legendary DF also comes to mind as it could potentially be a Snake of sorts.

With regard to what looks like a Dragon, doesn't it look exactly like the Demon in World 2 though? Plus the Demon also has wings which indicated that it can fly like the being in World 1.

With regards to world 2

Although I have a different interpretation of the Sun the demon is holding in the second world, your interpretation of it being the original whole of what is known as the mother flame is interesting and although the connection you made with regards to Sutras being scriptures is also interesting, I don't see how the source of what used to be the mother flame is split into poneglyphs.
I feel like the poneglyphs themselves are a different thing all together that came into existence as a counter measure to the void.

Your interpretation about the 20 kings killing Joyboy to become gods fits with the bit about "man killing the sun and became god" as that's literally what happened after Joyboy's death ^^.

Still the fact that the demon seems to be holding a sun all the whilst fighting joyboy who reincarnated as the Sun god is a mind fuck :risisweat:

I also still find it weird that the sun god wasn't mentioned in this world even though Joyboy is literally fighting in it.

With regard to the 3rd world, I disagree on quite a bit though.

I think this bit is referring to the poneglyphs.
First time we got to know about Joyboy was through them and was quite literally a poneglyh about Joyboy's promise to poseidon.
So don't think the "inconvenient remnants that remember the promised day" bit can get more obvious than that personally.

The word for end here isn't necessarily negative.
I get what you mean cause it reads as "the world's end" in english but I think it's simply referring to the "conclusion" of this particular world.

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kekaro said:

Thanks ^^ and oh! I didn't know you understood a bit of Japanese! that's dope ^^
and yh it's a head scratcher even if you have a good understanding of Japanese :risisweat:

Fun to think about regardless though ^^

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