Questions & Mysteries What is the in universe reason that Luffy runs out of g5

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#42
Still haven’t seen a single reason why he couldn’t restart his heart it’s either
A.oda poor writing

B. Wasn’t taking kizaru and lucci serious

these are the choices oda left us with nothing we can do about it tbh because he doesn’t expand on these things we have to speculate.
The manga and Oda literally answered this but you refuse to accept the answer.

Luffy said he was not at his limit when he restarted his heartbeat against Kaidou, he was still standing and immediately went back into G5. Against Kizaru out of his own mouth he said he has hit his absolute limit, and then forget restarting his heartbeat he couldn't even move a muscle at first, even his eyes were blacked out and he was completely wasted on the floor.

Against Lucci he had the usual G5 drawback after deactiving, 30 seconds later in actual manga time he was back to normal without eating. So far we have only been shown and told after his battle with Kizaru where he was brought to a state of complete exhaustion.

Whether you think it is cheap of Oda to do this or not, the fact remains he already answered this.
 
#43
I mean, sure, what ever
Either way the attack was a major reason as to why he was so exhausted after it
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Him being a "plot armor merchant" doesn't mean he can't get affected by the plot in negative ways lmao
The most negative part of the plot was affecting him was probably when he was killed and then got a god fruit right after. It´s horrifying
 
#47
luffy expanding his body to the size of a giant should not be taxing as that his part of his devil fruit power, it is like luffy losing the ability to use his fruit cause he stretches his body.
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lucci did not show any hint of it being taxing on him
How long has Lucci had it for? Far longer than Luffy I'd bet, and obviously the more powerful something is the more taxing it is, Lucci's awakening is nowhere near as strong as Luffy's, he's just a regular zoan lmao.
 
#49
The manga and Oda literally answered this but you refuse to accept the answer.

Luffy said he was not at his limit when he restarted his heartbeat against Kaidou, he was still standing and immediately went back into G5. Against Kizaru out of his own mouth he said he has hit his absolute limit, and then forget restarting his heartbeat he couldn't even move a muscle at first, even his eyes were blacked out and he was completely wasted on the floor.

Against Lucci he had the usual G5 drawback after deactiving, 30 seconds later in actual manga time he was back to normal without eating. So far we have only been shown and told after his battle with Kizaru where he was brought to a state of complete exhaustion.

Whether you think it is cheap of Oda to do this or not, the fact remains he already answered this.
Him being at his limit against Kizaru makes no sense though, I don't know why you're not getting that. Against Kaido he accumulated far more damage and was extremely exhausted from constantly abusing Gear 4 as well. Not to mention he straight up died.
Yet he could enter G5 again despite that.
Is it not illogical that he couldn't enter G5 again when he fought Kizaru, even though Kizaru only got one hit in and it did nothing more than slice his cheek a little, and before they fought Luffy was completely fresh?
 
#51
The manga and Oda literally answered this but you refuse to accept the answer.

Luffy said he was not at his limit when he restarted his heartbeat against Kaidou, he was still standing and immediately went back into G5. Against Kizaru out of his own mouth he said he has hit his absolute limit, and then forget restarting his heartbeat he couldn't even move a muscle at first, even his eyes were blacked out and he was completely wasted on the floor.

Against Lucci he had the usual G5 drawback after deactiving, 30 seconds later in actual manga time he was back to normal without eating. So far we have only been shown and told after his battle with Kizaru where he was brought to a state of complete exhaustion.

Whether you think it is cheap of Oda to do this or not, the fact remains he already answered this.
Kaido literally said he was gonna die if he keeps going and lufffy said he don’t care.
And in your head that means he wasn’t at his limit?

Oda didn’t answer anything

luffy was in way worse condition against kaido and in way better shape against kizaru but yet he couldn’t restart his heart kizaru but could with kaido?
Yeah okay
 
#52
I'd imagine it's just far tougher to awaken fruits like Luffy's than it is to awaken fruits like Lucci's and Kaku's
Iirc your mind and body need to align with the fruit to awaken it. Lucci was already like that from the jump since he had a ferocious and ruthless nature just like a leopard. Luffy's fruit was trickier since it's about the desire to liberate people and spread joy and what not.
 
#53
Kaido literally said he was gonna die if he keeps going and lufffy said he don’t care.
And in your head that means he wasn’t at his limit?

Oda didn’t answer anything

luffy was in way worse condition against kaido and in way better shape against kizaru but yet he couldn’t restart his heart kizaru but could with kaido?
Yeah okay
The cope is insane
Fighting Kizaru is just more taxing lol
 
#54
How long has Lucci had it for? Far longer than Luffy I'd bet, and obviously the more powerful something is the more taxing it is, Lucci's awakening is nowhere near as strong as Luffy's, he's just a regular zoan lmao.
what of kaku, the dude has had his fruit for 10 less year than luffy
 
#56
what of kaku, the dude has had his fruit for 10 less year than luffy
And has probably been awakened for over a year, and unlike Luffy, Lucci and Kaku are definitely the types to actively train in their awakening, Luffy trains and improves by fighting 99% of the time.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#57
Kaido literally said he was gonna die if he keeps going and lufffy said he don’t care.
And in your head that means he wasn’t at his limit?

Oda didn’t answer anything

luffy was in way worse condition against kaido and in way better shape against kizaru but yet he couldn’t restart his heart kizaru but could with kaido?
Yeah okay
Luffy LITERALLY said he was not at his limit.

Again it is right there in text and you can even visibly see the difference in the way he was drawn after the Kizaru battle vs mid Kaidou battle.

This just proves what I was saying, the answer is right there you just don't like it. That's fine you don't have to like it, but don't act like Oda didn't have Luffy state and show why he was unable to move. It just means G5 went well past its time limit, where against Kaidou it wasn't G5 that went past its time limit. Luffy was just tired from all the fighting and he struggled to keep the mode activated, he was basically bonked out of the mode but Luffy clearly stated and showed his mode was not at his limit. He wasn't even on the floor in the Kaidou scene, still standing.
 
#58
Because that's the way Oda uses to show luffy is strong.

Base Luffy with Haki = Has great Stamina , Fought Seraphim for 4 hours.

G2 with Haki = Maybe 2 hours.

G3 with Haki = (Continous Usage) maybe 1 and ½ hour

G4 with Haki = 20~30 Mins (depending upon which gear 4, Snakesman or Boundman)

G5 with Haki = Lower than 10/15 Mins.


Luffy strength lies using a lot of Strength at once , His G4 had A description of Using a full blast of Haki and Devil fruit.

Means is Base Luffy can Fight for 4 hours , Haki is distributed Equally injured 4 hours.

In g4 , All the haki is used within 20~30 mins.

In g5 , it gets even worse , all the haki in 10~15 mins.

Luffy is completely rendered useless then.

That's why I say Luffy is the Psuedo Top tier of Top tier segment ,

All other Top tier needs to do is Make luffy run out of time and win easily. Kizaru did Exactly the same without Playing any offense.

Kaidou did the opposite , Went all out bonked Luffy. Making him lose gas for G4.

Every Top tier is Practically winning against Luffy as of now.
 
#59
what of kaku, the dude has had his fruit for 10 less year than luffy
What is even the issue with this lol? Luffy spent most of his time with his fruit as a kid, and Kaku had his as a cipher pol agent during intense 2 years, also he was literally always into Giraffes or some shit.

I can´t even comprehend how you guys could complain about the least hackery writing in modern One Piece. Why does Luffy have to be the greatest prodigy in human history?
 
#60
What is even the issue with this lol? Luffy spent most of his time with his fruit as a kid, and Kaku had his as a cipher pol agent during intense 2 years, also he was literally always into Giraffes or some shit.

I can´t even comprehend how you guys could complain about the least hackery writing in modern One Piece. Why does Luffy have to be the greatest prodigy in human history?
It's just incredibly inconsistent that he could revive himself against Kaido and not Kizaru
That's the only problem with it imo
 
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