Character Discussion Are Admirals>Yonkous as characters?

#81
As of the recent chapter, my ranking would look something like this off the top of my head:

1. Blackbeard
2. Fujitora
3. Akainu
4. Kaido
5. Big Mom
6. Borsalino
7. Shanks
8. Aramaki
9. Whitebeard
10. Kuzan [As an admiral]


I think the quality for Borsalino/Shanks/Aramaki is higher than that of Big Mom/Kaido's character writing, but they still have a good quality of writing + huge quantity compared to them. Where as Akainu/Blackbeard/Fujitora I think just have insanely high quality that it overcomes the quantity of the others. Unlike what a good portion would have you believe related to Kaido/BM and how Oda was trash, I think their writing was solid for the intended point of their character.

Where I think those two in particular suffer from is what Whitebeard benefits from. A lot of Whitebeard's popularity is just fluff based, where you have a character design that a lot of people are attracted to combined with some "epic" scenes/moments. On the other hand, Kaido and Big Mamu who Oda did superb in from PH to Wano (despite my distaste of the Onigashima raid itself), just suffer from their writing being overshadowed by clown/gag moments.

Luffy is the MC, and Buggy isn't worth mentioning among these, so left these two off. So I mean it's a mix bag, in terms of just raw quality, I would be leaning towards the admirals. But quantity has to matter as well, hence Kaido/BM/Shanks are above some of the admirals.
Bananji vs Blackbeard who is better written

@Elder Lee Hung @SakazOuki @MarineHQ
 
#82
More well-written? Yes, kind of..
You can say that so far Kuzan, and Kizaru have slightly more complexities than the rest. But overall better as characters is first of all, subjective. For example, WB was supposed to be a larger than life legend, and that was perfectly conveyed in Marineford. You don’t have to see him developed — he‘s already a complete character and we just have to see the spectacle unfold with him at the center.

Same argument goes for a character like Kaido, he was never meant to be a deep character. He was designed to be this huge obstacle, and Oda conveyed his threat level perfectly. His feats already makes him compelling for some.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#87
Hoh baby, how did I miss this one? Lol

Anyway yes the Admirals are too good for Oda while the Yonko are poorly written trash. Even Whitebeard who was objectively the coolest Yonko was utterly ruined by the Oden flashback, Whitebeard’s backstory was Game of Thrones Season 8 level bad, it was so bad that it’s actually impossible to enjoy Whitebeard as he was presented pre timeskip now.

All of the Admirals are characters who go through their own character arcs, they change and grow as the manga goes on. Oda challenges their world views and puts them through hardships, he gives them views and ideologies and then challenges those views in his writing. He writes them with a nuance that is completely absent in the rest of this manga.

The Yonko are one dimensional unga bunga plot devices who have zero character growth or appeal outside of “look at how strong and free these characters are”. No one cares outside of low iq thirteen year olds.

Yeah the Yonko are some of the worst villains not just in One Piss but in all of Shonen, meanwhile the Admirals are among the most badass characters in all of manga. Thank god Oda plagiarized badass Japanese actors when he realized he wasn’t good enough to make the Admirals cool by his own merit, or I can’t imagine what kind of dogshit Garp wannabes would infest the Marines with their abhorrent presence.
 
#92
Admirals are the one which Oda uses to explore the many and complex faucets of Justice, and the morality of it and the "Law"

BB and BM carry the Yonko, but BM was booted, and Shanks lost a lot of his nuance with Shamrock
 
#94
Bananji needs to interact with Xiongnu scum.
I mean he had some development scenes that strengthen him and Riboku's bond, which could be set up for a masterpiece flashback for the two in the final Zhao campaign, who knows. But outside of that, not much going for him after Shukai.

Swing glaive -> Wait for orders -> Smile -> Say few words of encouragement ->Smile -> Swing glaive like he's on a picnic -> Smile -> Wait for orders -> Smile

:josad:

Relinquish your lands and titles and retreat to an isolated shelter for eternity
Elite manga pfp, but shit ending.
 
#95
Of course not and they were never meant to be aside from possibly aokiji who had to leave his admiral position to become interesting.

Yonko are major villains, admirals are secondary antagonists at best, it's like comparing the flying 6 to the all stars.
 
#99
Oda ruined Kizaru with that feeding Luffy reveal tbh. Made all his actions in Egghead make no sense
Powerwise it saved him from looking like one-shot material to Goofy even tho in the actual story it served no real meaningful combat purpose

Charwise it was just completely dumbfounding. Save Goofy the pirate but kill VP and Bonney and Kuma your closest friends lmfao

 
But outside of that the man has like 0 interesting characteristics
He has many interesting characteristic. It just Oda didn't give him a flsahback that explains them.
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Just bc chatgpt cooked doesnt mean it was wrong

BM nuance and characterization >>> Pizzaru contradictory behavior to feed Goofy ass while trynna deal VP and Bonney a quick and painless death
It was not that contradictory, if we assume he never did that for the sake of vega but for sentomarou and bonney.
 
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