Controversial Venting Thread - Mafia Edition

[Ghostface Killa]

we don't need to dunk on you.

You dunk on yourself with your wild takes.

lol I personally don't give a fuck about you. I feel like you on always on one extreme and unable to see the other side of anything.. ONLY your view. lol

 

[Dr. Watson]

i thought u had no trauma from him.

actually watson real talk. how come u werent able to ignore beta back in when he was harrasing you? was ignore function not working on NF?

you realize my statement was in general right

can you fucking drop it? you got what you wanted by whining and kicking and screaming. enough

 

[Dr. Watson]

its as though u got exposed to this massive toxic radiation that scared you for life but you had access to the shut off switch. just curious why u never hit it

sincerely what is wrong with you

 

[Dr. Watson]

man how do i rope myself into having any kind of discourse with you it's literally so stupid that i am

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

sincerely what is wrong with you

i think its a fair question tbh. u had access to the tools but didnt use them. i wanted to know why.

these tools are put in place to prevent these sort of situations

now ofcourse this doesnt excuse beta from doing what he did. this is more for you to not be affected this much by it

 

[Dr. Watson]

i think its a fair question tbh. u had access to the tools but didnt use them. i wanted to know why.

these tools are put in place to prevent these sort of situations

now ofcourse this doesnt excuse beta from doing what he did. this is more for you to not be affected this much by it

stop it. just stop

 

[Reborn]

beta publicly apologized multiple times. we're stuck at the stage of building trust which requires him to at least play one game to properly show that he's different, otherwise how will he truly start building trust around this playerbase in your opinion?

nothing is stopping beta as he is rn to send private messages to the victims or posting in their profiles if he wanted. he is stopping himself by himself because hes different. posting in a public mafia thread wont change that. building trust requires good faith initiative from both end. beta did his part by apologizing and not bothering any of the women for many years. he came forth offering to play and show his improvement. the next part is for the mods to give him that one shot at proving hes different. then trust gets built slowly from there on out

You are late to respond.

I got more spoilers now.

 

[Uncle Van]

first I dont think beta qualifies as worst scum of humanity. not even remotely close

second beta is already in the victims extended social circle which i find insane. they were shitposting/role playing with him on Al's trial thread which has less moderation and boundaries. playing with him on a mafia game should realistically be a more professional experience because mafia games r more heavily modded with stricter rules

we're not asking for him to join the discord chats and private group PMs. we're asking for him to be allowed to post in public mafia threads in front of everyone. he cant do anything there in broad daylight even if he wanted to. its a heavily modded and watched place.

Your logic advocates for pedophiles to be allowed around kids and be eligible to be teachers if they do their time. You're literally making victims and people who dont like SA out to be bad guys if they dont want to be around people who commits such acts.

 

[Ghostface Killa]

I feel like I make quite a lot of effort to remove subjectivity from anything I do as a mod here. I like to think I'm very transparent with almost everything. I tell you why you're getting a strike for instance and I share it with the community, I post the strikes to a public thread, I allow you to discuss it with me where relevant and the system in general is designed precisely to avoid me overreaching as a mod. That's why the strike system exists. I don't think any other site I've been on has been more transparent, actually. So I push back on this narrative. I really do believe I do more than what most section leads have done previously in terms of trying to be fair and open.

What I can't promise is that all subjectivity it removed. There is, inherently, judgement calls that need to be made. I've explained why I've made those calls to you many times over, about 4 separate times within a PM and many more times in public. At some point, if you disagree you disagree, you disagreeing does not require me to meet you halfway or compromise with you. Often times I will. When I first went to ban Flower a year or so ago, I said 6 months. The community told me that that was way too harsh, so I met them in a middle ground and went for 3 games, which came to about 2 months. And I further relaxed it so Flower could play an Ariess game because he had asked me to do so. I'm more than willing to work with people here.

But with Finalbeta, I cannot, my conscience will not allow it. You may think I'm being biased to victims or that I'm being performative, in the way a virtue signaller might be, but I have more experience with Finalbeta than most do here. I was running a mafia section (with two other people) on a site called MangaMaid, which was my first experience with Finalbeta. We ended up banning him there after giving him several chances. Then I went to TMF where he was, again, banned. He showed up on OPB where he was banned once again. I can't just sit there and tell people who might be very uncomfortable with him that he's a changed man and deserves another chance when yet again I see all the same hallmarks of the Finalbeta than I knew 8 years ago. I told you this in our PM convo and you've basically ignored it. That's fine, suits me actually. But you can't then imply I'm banning without giving due consideration or trying to be fair to people.

I can't tell women that they should just ignore Finalbeta, that the things he says that makes them feel like they're not safe here should just be ignored because it doesn't matter. I don't experience that stuff so all I have is my empathy. And maybe I don't have much of it but I have enough that I can't just ignore what they're telling me and give him yet another chance. I've seen it too many times. I feel like I'd be letting them down. I can only offer a pragmatic solution for him - that be that he plays elsewhere. I won't damage his ability to do that. I just don't want him here.

:skully

 

[York]

i think its a fair question tbh. u had access to the tools but didnt use them. i wanted to know why.

these tools are put in place to prevent these sort of situations

now ofcourse this doesnt excuse beta from doing what he did. this is more for you to not be affected this much by it

The victim blaming is just... really gross, dude

 

[hime]

i think its a fair question tbh. u had access to the tools but didnt use them. i wanted to know why.

these tools are put in place to prevent these sort of situations

now ofcourse this doesnt excuse beta from doing what he did. this is more for you to not be affected this much by it

ask beta y he didnt ignore avalon or me
he didnt have to be affected by avalon's trolling so much or my general presence but he basically chose to
he had access to tools and didnt use them

 

[Dr. Watson]

it isn't about me, it never was

i disagree with your whole charade and, again, it's sincerely fucked up you spent this amount of energy defending a very sick person and invalidate me and delegitimize experiences because i happen to feel passionate about the issue at hand

passion =/= PMS
which you seem to be treating this as

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

i think its also crucial to state that if you had the option in your control to avoid the assault via ignoring but you allowed it to happen i think there is a valid case to be made here that you are not eligible to place a restraining order

this isnt irl where the assault is forced and you cant do anything about it. in forums beta has 0 real power since there r tools to prevent assault.

i wont press too much on this even though I think it's an important distinction to be made. i fear there may be some element of enjoying the drama or attention beta brings hence why the victims never ignored him. i dont have a proof of this but its a plausible explaination for why the ignore tool was never used.

im still ok with it if beta can be allowed to play in games where watson and hime dont sign up until trust can be slowly built. thats an extension of good faith

 

[Hayumi]

i think its a fair question tbh. u had access to the tools but didnt use them. i wanted to know why.

these tools are put in place to prevent these sort of situations

now ofcourse this doesnt excuse beta from doing what he did. this is more for you to not be affected this much by it

I’m not gonna lie, this post ain’t it at all.

that’s the equivalent of asking someone who was sexually harassed why they don’t just pretend it never happened or ignore it bc out of sight out of mind.. like huh

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

it isn't about me, it never was

dear lord

if this is true then woman you really are robbing this guy of his freedom

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

I’m not gonna lie, this post ain’t it at all.

that’s the equivalent of asking someone who got assaulted or sexually harassed why they don’t just pretend it never happened bc out of sight out of mind.. like huh

what? no its closer to you seeing someone force open your house door (send you a sus PM) and then you make them vanish entitely out of existence (hit the ignore button)

 

[Dr. Watson]

these are... takes

your cute sweet little trust exercise is not gonna happen
ill tolerate your whining and screaming over allowing him to play games as long as women who feel weirded out by him object but you seem to be implying you fully expect that this is some trust bond exercise where we're going to hold hands in the end, that beta is reformed this and reformed that
you talk a lot about how victims shouldn't forgive and have a right to not but it sounds like you're trying to find an angle where it's possible

and it's really weird dude

 

[York]

i think its also crucial to state that if you had the option in your control to avoid the assault via ignoring but you allowed it to happen i think there is a valid case to be made here that you are not eligible to place a restraining order

Jesus fucking christ you are genuinely vile. What the actual hell. The fact you chose to make this whole thing a rape allegory at all was weird but now you are "making cases" that "the victim didn't fight back hard enough for it to count"

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

these are... takes

your cute sweet little trust exercise is not gonna happen
ill tolerate your whining and screaming over allowing him to play games as long as women who feel weirded out by him object but you seem to be implying you fully expect that this is some trust bond exercise where we're going to hold hands in the end, that beta is reformed this and reformed that
you talk a lot about how victims shouldn't forgive and have a right to not but it sounds like you're trying to find an angle where it's possible

and it's really weird dude

trust is more of a mod thing. the victims still never have to forgive nor trust beta again

 

[Hayumi]

I’m sorry but is Ghostface really still ranting about nothing cuz why I have the “show ignored content” at the bottom of every damn page lmfaooo