I don't think so because when you remove a Sword from someone hands and they can replicate the exact same AdCoC no touch feat without it.. Then the Blade is useless in that instance.. You can't cut someone with your hand the same as a Blade, you can't create lethal slicing air slash with your hand the same as a Blade.. But you can create an identical attack where a Blade is irrelevant with your fist or a Blade with a no touch AdCoC blow..
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That's based off of IRL logic
In OP-verse, how you're wielding the sword, the skills of how you swing it, how you generate pressure, the quality (weight, hardness, grade, power) of sword, etc, are all big part of Swordsmanship and will massively affect the output.
The sharpness is just a part of it. Not all of it.
In OP-verse, how you're wielding the sword, the skills of how you swing it, how you generate pressure, the quality (weight, hardness, grade, power) of sword, etc, are all big part of Swordsmanship and will massively affect the output.
The sharpness is just a part of it. Not all of it.
u can say the same abt brook , he summons ice from hell through his devil fruit
but thats still accounted as swordsmanship
" observe the freezing blade "
speaking of brook , he literally stated music to be a sword skill
" witness my skill with the blade " he says right before stringing his guitar
all he did was string his guitar with his sword , the attack didnt even come through that
it came from his guitar
u can say the same abt fujitora's meteor strikes
he uses his sword to activate the gravitational pull ( stringing the guitar )
the devil fruit then brings a meteor down ( the guitar )
the meteor reigns down as an attack completely different from a blade move ( music in this case )
yet its presented as a sword skill , as ridiculous as it might be .
but thats still accounted as swordsmanship
" observe the freezing blade "
speaking of brook , he literally stated music to be a sword skill
" witness my skill with the blade " he says right before stringing his guitar
all he did was string his guitar with his sword , the attack didnt even come through that
it came from his guitar
u can say the same abt fujitora's meteor strikes
he uses his sword to activate the gravitational pull ( stringing the guitar )
the devil fruit then brings a meteor down ( the guitar )
the meteor reigns down as an attack completely different from a blade move ( music in this case )
yet its presented as a sword skill , as ridiculous as it might be .
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u can say the same abt brook , he summons ice from hell through his devil fruit
but thats still accounted as swordsmanship
" observe the freezing blade "
speaking of brook , he literally stated music to be a sword skill
" witness my skill with the blade " he says right before stringing his guitar
all he did was string his guitar with his sword , the attack didnt even come through that
it came from his guitar
u can say the same abt fujitora's meteor strikes
he uses his sword to activate the gravitational pull ( stringing the guitar )
the devil fruit then brings a meteor down ( the guitar )
the meteor reigns down as an attack completely different from a blade move ( music in this case )
yet its presented as a sword skill , as ridiculous as it might be .
but thats still accounted as swordsmanship
" observe the freezing blade "
speaking of brook , he literally stated music to be a sword skill
" witness my skill with the blade " he says right before stringing his guitar
all he did was string his guitar with his sword , the attack didnt even come through that
it came from his guitar
u can say the same abt fujitora's meteor strikes
he uses his sword to activate the gravitational pull ( stringing the guitar )
the devil fruit then brings a meteor down ( the guitar )
the meteor reigns down as an attack completely different from a blade move ( music in this case )
yet its presented as a sword skill , as ridiculous as it might be .
This includes Shockwaves, music, freeze, gravity, Cerberus …literally anything
OP swordsmanship isn’t limited to real life line swordsmanship, it comes with gimmicks to make it less boring and more diversified
They still matter.
It'd be significantly weaker with a bare fist or random low quality kanabo. Or if skills of swinging the sword are shit, even if stats and haki remain the same.
Again, I've listed why it matters. There are a lot to swordsmanship other than just sharpness.
You're too focused on IRL logic instead of OP.
It'd be significantly weaker with a bare fist or random low quality kanabo. Or if skills of swinging the sword are shit, even if stats and haki remain the same.
Again, I've listed why it matters. There are a lot to swordsmanship other than just sharpness.
You're too focused on IRL logic instead of OP.
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When Luffy and Kaido AdCoC no touch, there's literally no difference if you put Kaido's Club in Luffy's hand and have Kaido bare fist, nothing changes, you can give Kaido a Sword, nothing changes at all.. AdCoC doesn't stem from the Blade, it doesn't go through the Sword, it's around all the user's personal space with or without a weapon.. When AdCoC no touch is being used, Swords or any accessory of any sorts are completely irrelevant in the clash..
Seriously, do you even understand what you're saying?
You are saying as long as the character use no touch it doesn't matter how they fight and their fighting skills are equal. That is like believing someone who spent their entire life training in boxing and use no touch can switch to taekwondo and be just as strong as a fighter as long as they use no touch. That's not how things work.
All power and attacks comes from the body. When people say that they channel their attack through a sword it just means the power comes from the body to the sword and then to the target instead of the body to the target.
No touches isn't this new concept that doesn't include swordsman. It's been part of swordsmanship since pre-time skip. Zoro's teacher talked about this when he first learned not cut.
You are saying as long as the character use no touch it doesn't matter how they fight and their fighting skills are equal. That is like believing someone who spent their entire life training in boxing and use no touch can switch to taekwondo and be just as strong as a fighter as long as they use no touch. That's not how things work.
All power and attacks comes from the body. When people say that they channel their attack through a sword it just means the power comes from the body to the sword and then to the target instead of the body to the target.
No touches isn't this new concept that doesn't include swordsman. It's been part of swordsmanship since pre-time skip. Zoro's teacher talked about this when he first learned not cut.
Seriously, do you even understand what you're saying?
You are saying as long as the character use no touch it doesn't matter how they fight and their fighting skills are equal. That is like believing someone who spent their entire life training in boxing and use no touch can switch to taekwondo and be just as strong as a fighter as long as they use no touch. That's not how things work.
All power and attacks comes from the body. When people say that they channel their attack through a sword it just means the power comes from the body to the sword and then to the target instead of the body to the target.
No touches isn't this new concept that doesn't include swordsman. It's been part of swordsmanship since pre-time skip. Zoro's teacher talked about this when he first learned not cut.
You are saying as long as the character use no touch it doesn't matter how they fight and their fighting skills are equal. That is like believing someone who spent their entire life training in boxing and use no touch can switch to taekwondo and be just as strong as a fighter as long as they use no touch. That's not how things work.
All power and attacks comes from the body. When people say that they channel their attack through a sword it just means the power comes from the body to the sword and then to the target instead of the body to the target.
No touches isn't this new concept that doesn't include swordsman. It's been part of swordsmanship since pre-time skip. Zoro's teacher talked about this when he first learned not cut.
And not cutting anything isn't, any sorts of no touch..
No touch is just been able to hit a target without making physical contact with them. All that power comes from the body. The only difference witu swordsman or anybody that use a weapon is it goes from body to weapon to target. Instead of body to target.
When Luffy used ACoC no touch he remembered what he was taught from CoA no touch.
When Luffy used ACoC no touch he remembered what he was taught from CoA no touch.
No touch is just been able to hit a target without making physical contact with them. All that power comes from the body. The only difference witu swordsman or anybody that use a weapon is it goes from body to weapon to target. Instead of body to target.
When Luffy used ACoC no touch he remembered what he was taught from CoA no touch.
When Luffy used ACoC no touch he remembered what he was taught from CoA no touch.
That you fail to grasp at this point in the story that Haki Swordsmanship has it's own unique Haki path from the main Haki path is mind boggling to me.. Not just you, all the community..
Not touching Abilities isn't Not being able to cutting anything Ability..
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You are making stuff up.
Read and comprehend the manga. The whole purpose to Luffy Udon training was for him to learn barrier and no touch haki. He learned that from a swordsman. By the way, Rayleigh is also a swordsman. The person who tried to teach them barrier and no touch haki in the past. That is a power swordsman use.
Hyou explained to Luffy that samurais used an invisible power (haki) to cut hard objects like steel or not cut a soft objects like paper.
It's the haki that surrounds the sword like a barrier that is cutting or not cutting.
You can't cut Kaido with just a sword and raw strength alone. Oden, the scabbards, and Zoro all needed to use haki to cut Kaido.
When Kaido and BM were terrified of Zoro's fly dragon blaze what do you notice about the sword? The blade was surrounded by a barrier of haki.
When Zoro cut Monet on the cheek how did he cut her with a range attack? She a logia type so she can't be hurt with an attack that either doesn't use haki or a power her df is natural weak against. Since he didn't use a fire attack he had to cut her with haki.
All of those scenes mean 1 thing is true. When you add haki to an attack or defense it takes on the attack/defense properties and strengthen it. properties, A cutting attack becomes a stronger cut attack, a shield becomes a harder stronger shield, and more. An attack the user doesn't wish to cut doesn't cut. That explains why Zoro didn't cut the tree branch doing his battle against Mr. 1.
That explains why the clash from Rocks and Harald blew everything away in a 5km range. They both were probably using shockwave attacks, we don't know if Harald used a shockwave attack but I wouldn't to be surprised since that seemed to be a common fighting style among the giants, and when they added ACoC to their shockwave attack it boosted the attack shockwave power.
Read and comprehend the manga. The whole purpose to Luffy Udon training was for him to learn barrier and no touch haki. He learned that from a swordsman. By the way, Rayleigh is also a swordsman. The person who tried to teach them barrier and no touch haki in the past. That is a power swordsman use.
Hyou explained to Luffy that samurais used an invisible power (haki) to cut hard objects like steel or not cut a soft objects like paper.
It's the haki that surrounds the sword like a barrier that is cutting or not cutting.
You can't cut Kaido with just a sword and raw strength alone. Oden, the scabbards, and Zoro all needed to use haki to cut Kaido.
When Kaido and BM were terrified of Zoro's fly dragon blaze what do you notice about the sword? The blade was surrounded by a barrier of haki.
When Zoro cut Monet on the cheek how did he cut her with a range attack? She a logia type so she can't be hurt with an attack that either doesn't use haki or a power her df is natural weak against. Since he didn't use a fire attack he had to cut her with haki.
All of those scenes mean 1 thing is true. When you add haki to an attack or defense it takes on the attack/defense properties and strengthen it. properties, A cutting attack becomes a stronger cut attack, a shield becomes a harder stronger shield, and more. An attack the user doesn't wish to cut doesn't cut. That explains why Zoro didn't cut the tree branch doing his battle against Mr. 1.
That explains why the clash from Rocks and Harald blew everything away in a 5km range. They both were probably using shockwave attacks, we don't know if Harald used a shockwave attack but I wouldn't to be surprised since that seemed to be a common fighting style among the giants, and when they added ACoC to their shockwave attack it boosted the attack shockwave power.
Read and comprehend the manga. The whole purpose to Luffy Udon training was for him to learn barrier and no touch haki. He learned that from a swordsman. By the way, Rayleigh is also a swordsman. The person who tried to teach them barrier and no touch haki in the past. That is a power swordsman use.
Hyou explained to Luffy that samurais used an invisible power (haki) to cut hard objects like steel or not cut a soft objects like paper.
It's the haki that surrounds the sword like a barrier that is cutting or not cutting.
Hyou explained to Luffy that samurais used an invisible power (haki) to cut hard objects like steel or not cut a soft objects like paper.
It's the haki that surrounds the sword like a barrier that is cutting or not cutting.
Hyougoro didn't know how to teach CoA Internal Destruction, that's the ability to flow Haki in things and objects, not CoA Barrier..
I can't explain to you right now why the ability to not cut anything isn't no touch nor blunt damage, but i know the answer..
When Kaido and BM were terrified of Zoro's fly dragon blaze what do you notice about the sword? The blade was surrounded by a barrier of haki.
Just so you know claiming that Zoro used Barrier there is like Sanji fans claiming that Sanji used Hardening here..
When Zoro cut Monet on the cheek how did he cut her with a range attack? She a logia type so she can't be hurt with an attack that either doesn't use haki or a power her df is natural weak against. Since he didn't use a fire attack he had to cut her with haki.
All of those scenes mean 1 thing is true. When you add haki to an attack or defense it takes on the attack/defense properties and strengthen it. properties, A cutting attack becomes a stronger cut attack, a shield becomes a harder stronger shield, and more. An attack the user doesn't wish to cut doesn't cut. That explains why Zoro didn't cut the tree branch doing his battle against Mr. 1.
That explains why the clash from Rocks and Harald blew everything away in a 5km range. They both were probably using shockwave attacks, we don't know if Harald used a shockwave attack but I wouldn't to be surprised since that seemed to be a common fighting style among the giants, and when they added ACoC to their shockwave attack it boosted the attack shockwave power.
All of those scenes mean 1 thing is true. When you add haki to an attack or defense it takes on the attack/defense properties and strengthen it. properties, A cutting attack becomes a stronger cut attack, a shield becomes a harder stronger shield, and more. An attack the user doesn't wish to cut doesn't cut. That explains why Zoro didn't cut the tree branch doing his battle against Mr. 1.
That explains why the clash from Rocks and Harald blew everything away in a 5km range. They both were probably using shockwave attacks, we don't know if Harald used a shockwave attack but I wouldn't to be surprised since that seemed to be a common fighting style among the giants, and when they added ACoC to their shockwave attack it boosted the attack shockwave power.
There are not shields or any type of no touch in Swordsmanship.. Swordsmanship is everything by the Blade, so it must touch..
Zoro didn't the leaf but he touched it..
Rocks Sword Skill is compared to the Blow of a Hammer or Canon, so the attack is definitely not a Shockwave, that's another mistake from the spoiler provide and there were many this chapter..
I really doubt it was an AdCoC clash, only CoC..