Powers & Abilities The actual ultimate thread on swordsmanship - Part 1

Shanal

Shanal

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#141
#141
Rootbeer said:
When Luffy and Kaido AdCoC no touch, there's literally no difference if you put Kaido's Club in Luffy's hand and have Kaido bare fist, nothing changes
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Disagree. Luffy would actually be weaker using club instead of his bare fists because he's a lot more skilled barehanded, and Kaido would be weaker bare-fisted instead of a club, because his club is supposedly of high quality and he's good with it.

I have no idea why you'd think that lmao. There's absolutely zero hints, much less evidence, that ACoC somehow means your skills and weapons no longer matter toward the output.

Their weapons/bodies are STILL the conduit of the attack. Their skills with it, the quality of the weapon/body, strength, speed etc, etc, still matter. Immensely so. For the output of the attack.
 
Kiri

Kiri

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#145
#145
Objectively the panel of narration talking about Xebec, is talking about Xebec's sword technique, that's what the japanese is saying.

It's just describing his swordsmanship akin to a hammer or cannon. Swordsmanship is made of two things, physicality and spirit.

When we saw Brook vs Ryuuma, what did we see? Ryuuma had Brook's shadow, in swordsmanship they were matched, it was Brooks techniques and skill vs Brook.

The difference was in Ryuuma's physicality, when you combined that kind of strength even as a corpse, with brooks shadow which was all the skill/experience brook accumulated in this case, you get similar results to ikoku sovereignty for example, creating those mini craters with brooks sword pierce techniques.

Xebec's swordsmanship relies very much on his physicality, if you gave Xebec's shadow to someone weaker, you would not get the same results, because they may have Xebec's technique but not his physicality/haki. But that's the thing, the only way you would get Xebec's swordsmanship is if you combined is experience and skill with his strength.

Kaido did not understand how the scabbards were able to cut him, since they were merely imitating oden's sword style which is a worse version of it, because it doesn't have odens accumulated experience or strength. Yet they could still cut him, why? = Ryuou. Spirit. Haki.

Mihawk's sword techniques are described as the greatest (Meaning they achieve the greatest affect in combat). His accumulated experience and skill, combined with his physicality and haki/ryuou, make him the world's strongest. His sword techniques are beating anyone's sword techniques, until proven otherwise.

Saying someone has stronger haki than Mihawk is quite literally irrelevant, his sword techniques are still greater, meaning they would beat anyone else's sword techniques even if they have joyboy levels of haki, if this weren't the case, shanks sword techniques would be the greatest due to his haki/spirit. Now we are seeing Kaido's statement in a different light, how haki is utilised is just as important. The mass of someone's spirit means nothing if they aren't utilising it to the best of their ability. Look at what we are seeing with Zoro right now.

Mihawk's use of ryuou combined with his attributes create unparalleled swordsmanship, this is the case in One Piece where someone is genuinely established as a clear cut above the rest. You would genuinely have to be capable of at least achieving a greater affect with your sword techniques than someone with joyboy league haki, in order to even fight Mihawk competitively.

That is why Oda literally makes the comparison, in this case in the narrative we see Oda reinforcing the idea (from a vivre card) that Zoro has to actually surpass shanks before fighting Mihawk.
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It could be the case that the reason shanks is worse at utilising his haki than mihawk, is because he's an emotional fighter. Look at how he's in a bad mood when he asks mihawk if he wants to fight, when he's happy he just want to drink.

Look at how when he's pissed he ends up knocking out his own crewmates. The vessel overflows so to speak, he can't make full use of it. In a general case this is terrifying when you have haki spilling all over the place, but for swordsmanship that only limits your ability.
 
ZenZu

ZenZu

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#146
#146
zenox said:
i am seeing a lot of fraud threads on what swordsmanship is by agenda driven people nowadays
so here is a real thread on what swordsmanship actually is and how swordsmen make their own sword styles

for me
- swordsmanship is
A . any attack done from a blade
B . any attack that cuts things
C . any attack used along with a sword

its just these simple 3 things

lets get in with the 1st point :

any attack done from a blade
this includes devil fruits , haki , various elements ( like fire and lightning )

1. devil fruits
combining devil fruits with ur sword gives u the sword style u desire

brook being a swordsman was able to discover his df powers and he simply applied his df to his sword


thus he made the freezing blade

there are many more similar characters like law , fujitora and bigmom
law : applying KNIFE- ROOM to his sword

he also has various attacks like amputate , injection shot , radio knife where he uses df powers through his sword

fujitora : made his own gravity blade sword style by combining his gravity df with his sword



bigmom : combining her ikkoku sword style and her homies together
which results to this


It can also apply to zoans , who use their immense physical strength and body to boost their swordsmanship


and there are logia powers like kizaru's too

so just by using devil fruit powers with ur sword doesnt mean it wont be accounted as swordsmanship anymore
combine anything with ur sword and u get sword skills

2. haki

COA :

u need strong haki to even wield great swords
so if u dont have strong haki , u cant even wield ur sword
example : enma

a normal swordsman would be turned to husk if he didnt have strong enough haki to satisfy enma

u can only tame a sword by fulfilling its desire , which here was to give enma strong enough haki
haki and swordsmanship goes toe to toe with each other

haki is the one of the main reason why u even win through swordsmanship

zoro asks mihawk to teach him the way of the sword

- mihawk teaches him haki




flowing haki to ur sword requires advanced armament and with this the katana will act to the desire of the swordsman

Here u see zoro try to not cut anything ( the leaves ) and then cut what he wants ( the rock )


The katana follows his will , will is also known as haki




The power to cut nothing means infusing ur blade with haki
using haki powers with ur sword is the pinnacle of swordsmanship


COO : in a sword duel u need to dodge and block ur opponent
u need the reaction speed necessary to parry the attack
http://imgur.com/sMQOGwG



zoro also showed an insane feat of coo during alabasta


swordsman shanks has future sight :

swordsman fujitora has insane coo

hawkeyes mihawk is also bound to show some crazy coo


COC :
multiple swordsmen like roger , rayleigh , shanks , zoro , mihawk , oden , possibly garling too possess this power
its basically coating ur sword with supreme ambition

zoro made an entire new sword style after unlocking acoc

king even mentions zoro has a kingly ambition ( being the strongest swordsman ) right after showing his conquerors haki

the moment zoro applied supreme ambition to his sword
all the fodders around him fainted
u can see the same happen with shanks too
conquerors haki when applied to ur sword becomes the swordsman's sword skill / swordsmanship

HAKI is not a separate fighting style
all it does is boost ur fighting style
zoro remained a swordsman after learning haki , luffy a martial artist
sanji still fought with his legs

its not like these guys made a new fighting style after learning haki

and haki goes along with swordsmanship so much its actually insane

Land of Samurai and Swordsmen are specialized in CoA

Kaido was shocked by Scabbard's Haki, not their Sword moves

Oden got stronger in his journey thanks to unlocking Haki/aCoC

When Zoro's first attack against Kaido didn't do much, he said he needs more Haki, not better Sword Technique

With exception of Garp, almost all Top Tiers who specialize in Haki and didn't eat a DF are Swordsmen

Kaido witnessed Zoro's Ultimate sword technique (Ashura) and yet attributed the feat of receiving a new scar to Zoro having CoC

various elemental attacks :

fire : zoro and kinemon's foxfire sword style


elemental :
niji's lightning attack


i guess u can count brook's ice as elemental power too
there should be more of this but i can only remember these examples

anyways this is just the 1st part , i am gonna make more threads on this topic
next part is gonna be on the topic

any attack that cuts things
stay tuned

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