Chapter Discussion ONE PIECE CHAPTER: 1156: IDOLS

[MUUGEN]

Boa still best Empress tbf

 

[Garp the Fist]

Sure, but we know Whitebeard > Oden because we're shown that multiple times. We're never shown Roger > Garp, otherwise Garp wouldn't be consistently chasing Roger around the sea and nearly killing him as well

We are absolutely shown Roger > Garp multiple times, as Roger and Whitebeard were consitently portrayed as the two strongest characters in the series above all others, Garp included.

It is literally canon from one of Roger’s adopted sons that the only person who was as strong as Roger was Whitebeard, the World’s Strongest Man.

Do you think Kaido is equal to Big Mom?

 

[Dragon777]

What a crew of chads.

And Silve Axe, Gloriosa and Gil are still not there.

Nice to see Streusen again btw.

 

[Grotesque]

Very good chapter... many interesting points, but I didn't like Roger being made an idiot by Shakky, this takes away a lot of his "status" as Pirate King, we project so many absurd things onto Roger, but Oda is giving much more attention to Xebec.

The being beaten like an idiot thing is just a silly horny gag from Oda that I can forgive. But the stalking and attempting to kidnap somebody and rid them of their personal liberty, something seemingly antithetical to Roger's whole vibe of being Mr Freedom, was disappointing to me. Can't really paint Roger like a slimeball pirate after you've spent so much time implying he's just as big of a liberty hog as Luffy.

 

[Shiroyru]

We are absolutely shown Roger > Garp multiple times, as Roger and Whitebeard were consitently portrayed as the two strongest characters in the series above all others, Garp included.

It is literally canon from one of Roger’s adopted sons that the only person who was as strong as Roger was Whitebeard, the World’s Strongest Man.

Do you think Kaido is equal to Big Mom?

Where do you rank Shiki and his rival?

 

[MUUGEN]

Shakky is supposed to clear Gloriosa in-universe by a mile but art wise they look kind of the same aside from the hair color? Maybe I have facial blindness idk

i was let down from spoilers for a young shakky gloriosa>shakky<<boa

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

I’m not saying he’s not on par with him lmao. I’m saying he’s not Dorry Broggy, Roger Whitebeard equal to him.

Same way Rocks is stronger than Harald, even though they clashed the same way

Or Whitebeard is stronger than Oden, ditto.

How many times did we get Luffy clashing with Kaido like this lmao?

And Kaido did the same with Big Mom, and Shanks did the same with Whitebeard.

There’s been a mass loss of critical thinking in this place where anytime two characters clash it’s seen as a sign they are absolute perfect equals, which is patent nonsense.

Roger vs Garp is obviously extreme diff, Roger vs Garp is also obviously Roger’s win.

Roger and Garp didn't only clash once or twice though, they had "dozen of fights where they almost killed each other" according to Roger and you compare it to Oden vs Whitebeard then be talking about loss of critical thinking

 

[kekaro]

i was let down from spoilers for a young shakky gloriosa>shakky<<boa

Oda has just shit woman taste

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

We are absolutely shown Roger > Garp multiple times, as Roger and Whitebeard were consitently portrayed as the two strongest characters in the series above all others, Garp included.

It is literally canon from one of Roger’s adopted sons that the only person who was as strong as Roger was Whitebeard, the World’s Strongest Man.

Do you think Kaido is equal to Big Mom?

So how come Buggy is reliable but not Garp himself telling us they were relative in the fights they had?
Come on now.

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

I saw a post or comment on reddit saying gloriosa might betray xebec to help Roger as she still simps for him and she probs joined Xebec to spite Roger?

Also she jinxed herself here:

 

[Shiroyru]

So how come Buggy is reliable but not Garp himself telling us they were relative in the fights they had?
Come on now.

Bro he said Garp pushes Roger to extreme diff. Sounds pretty relative to me

 

[shastar-sei]

It's a very fun chapter, especially as a Rayleigh stan.

Nami might be subtly mirroring Shakky in the color spread, as her cap is branded with 'Belle.' By definition, this word means 'beautiful' in French and refers to the most beautiful woman at a particular event or within a group in English. Fittingly, the chapter is titled Idols, and the first half focuses on the beauty of the past Kuja Pirates. Nami is even positioned close to Rayleigh. One more thing I want to mention on this matter: Shakuyaku is based on the Japanese word for the peony flower. It looks similar to the Oki no Nami flower, which some Nami fans speculate may have inspired her name.

So, Glorisa fell for Roger, Shakky fell for Rayleigh, and Hancock fell for Luffy. Who did Tritoma fall for? Maybe Dragon. The captain and first mate, and then father and son, could be seen as a hierarchical pattern.

I also love that Roger isn't a complete 1:1 mirror of Luffy. He drinks, he fights with a blade, and he falls for women. Seeing this other side to him was hilarious, especially the megaphone moment.

Roger and Rouge had Ace. Gaban and Ripley had Colon. And Rayleigh and Shakky most likely had a child, which could be Shakky's obvious reason behind her early retirement from piracy. The stock of Dracule Mihawk's parentage theories is looking up.

Initially, I wasn't on board with Mosa being a woman, but if Mosa isn't Jarul, I hope Mosa turns out to be Ida. Such a kind soul.

I mentioned this last night in the spoiler discussion thread, but Silver Axe resembles X Drake with the X theme, even on their chins, and both are axe users. It feels too deliberate to be a coincidence.

Seeing Xebec care about Harald beyond just a potential crewmate, and after all those refusals, is nice to see.

 

[kekaro]

Posting this thread/poll for no particular reason
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/scopper-gaban-general-power-level-discussion.2108/

 

[MUUGEN]

We are absolutely shown Roger > Garp multiple times, as Roger and Whitebeard were consitently portrayed as the two strongest characters in the series above all others, Garp included.

It is literally canon from one of Roger’s adopted sons that the only person who was as strong as Roger was Whitebeard, the World’s Strongest Man.

Do you think Kaido is equal to Big Mom?

not really Garp is more paralleled as Rogers equal in every single instance

& Kaido on a solo level should trump every modern day pirate in the great era given that if its 1on1 you always bet on kaido.

he could realistically at his peak been stronger than WB at the time

 

[Shiroyru]

not really Garp is more paralleled as Rogers equal in every single instance

& Kaido on a solo level should trump every modern day pirate in the great era given that if its 1on1 you always bet on kaido.

he could realistically at his peak been stronger than WB at the time

Garp got portrayed worse than WB at MF

 

[MUUGEN]

Who did Tritoma fall for?

shes boas mom and was taken into slavery

 

[Grotesque]

I saw a post or comment on reddit saying gloriosa might betray xebec to help Roger as she still simps for him and she probs joined Xebec to spite Roger?

We don't know how she joined but it wouldn't surprise me if Gloriosa does the same kind of thing on God Valley that Hancock did on Marineford where she just goes rogue and starts attacking her own to protect Luffy. That's a little too on the nose for the parallel-brained though.

 

[MUUGEN]

Garp got portrayed worse than WB at MF

wut when and where....

 

[Juanpiz]

Garp got portrayed worse than WB at MF

Mf was a mess

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Bro he said Garp pushes Roger to extreme diff. Sounds pretty relative to me

Stay out of this