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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#1
Ever since the introduction of Imu, people have unanimously agreed he/she would be the main boss of Mariejois/WG war arc.
However, what if that is straight up not true?

You might be thinking >Cmon, Nik, this guy is the final villain, how is it possible that he is not the main boss of his own arc and series itself...
Well, while many people were convinced that Imu was indeed the final villain, after certain revelations, people are starting to doubt that idea and are beginning to lean towards the next best thing, which is Blackbeard.

And recently, as the name drop of Davy Jones ends up the highlight of the meeting between Rocks and Imu, people are starting to shift away from Imu as the final villain more and more and favoring Blackbeard more or perhaps even the lurking legend himself - Davy Jones.

While I was convinced 100% that Imu wasnt a final villain for quite some time already, today I will take a wild guess and say:
Not only Imu isnt a final villain but he isnt even the main villain of WG war!

What? Why? How?!
I will give you time to digest what I just claimed and I will try to elaborate why I think that.
One of the common themes of big wars that we saw so far is Betrayal!

The main dog of Marineford War, Whitebeard, was betrayed by his own and had his chest stabbed by him.
The Shogun of Wano, Orochi, had his head taken off cleanly by his ally Kaido.
I think the same thing will happen to Imu.

Why do I suddenly think this?
Well, it is due to Imu's presence in Elbaf. Imu is on the combat stage in Elbaf through Gunko's body but what strikes me odd here is that Imu is not using Gunko's abilities but instead his/her own! I repeat, Imu is showing off his/her own abilties and we are supposed to expect that main event of WG war is those same abilities again but performed by a different body?

I could be wrong and Imu doesnt show off much but already quite a lot has been shown and it wasnt even a main combat event of Elbaf but a mere warm-up with the fodders. And we have Zoro, Luffy and Loki to yet arrive and oppose Imu which suggests Imu will reveal a lot more of his/her abilities. The more Imu shows off, the more likely is what I am about to suggest...

Imu may not be the main boss of WG war but instead someone else - Figarland Garling!

Why do I think this? Well, for starters, nobody gives a crap about Imu. He is an ancient relic that has no ties to anyone living in the present. The revolutionaries might give a crap because they care about dethroning the evil leaders of WG but otherwise, if anyone gives a shit about Imu it is because they want to steal his seat from him.
The closest to a connection Imu has to someone in the present are Luffy and Vivi, as inheritors of DF and descendants of people Imu knew and both of them dont even know Imu exists... Even if they find out about Imu, they have no personal reason to even care about his/her existence.

On the other hand, Figarland Garling is very much connected to the people shaping the present.
Literally the father of the idol of the main character who is present in the story since chapter 1 and connected to all the big shots that shaped the last 50 years due to the battle in God Valley where he is the one called Champion. Formerly a leader of the Holy Knights and currently ascended to the position of an Elder star.

Champion of God Valley -> Leader of Holy Knights -> Elder -> King of the world?
This guy might be Buggy of the villains, nothing but success and constantly climbing the ladder.
All that we lack is - his ambition. It is pretty much clear that even among the Elders, this guy is special.
I have my doubts that he will be as obedient Imu follower as others are.

He might dream about the throne of the world or he would advance his plans to make his own son as the next King of the World.
Either way, while all the allies focus on Imu, Garling might come out of nowhere and backstab Imu!

He could be thinking that a Nerona has no more right to sit on that throne than a Figarland.
Whether he will straight up kill Imu or significantly injure him is not important but the finale of WG war might not be Imu vs Luffy but Shanks vs Garling isntead. Oda's golden boy from chapter 1, the idol of MC, the ideal pirate and Oda self-insert gets to free the world of the tyranny of World Govt by defeating his father.

The Holy Knights are under his thumb, due to being their former leader and due to his son being their current leader now.
As an Elder, he is the highest authority that commands the Seraphim, Imu cannot override his orders and those very Seraphim could be instrumental plot device for Garling to take Imu down. The only thing in his way is the mark of Abyss, if he has it to begin with, he needs to wait for an opportunity when Imu cannot freely do whatever he/she wants with those bearing that mark.

Things are basically falling into his lap, his significance keeps increasing and guess what awaits us in the event that we are currently heading to - God Valley?
More Garling importance. All of that would mean that the finale of WG war is about the different ideologies of father and son. Shanks could steal the spotlight in this war by beating the one who betrays Imu and it could be foreshadowed by him stopping the Marineford war. His victory over Garling would stop the WG war as well.

What do yall think?
 
#2
Good one, I personally would love this but how will this fit in the overall story. Previously we had Imu, BB and Akainu (side quest mid diff shit) being pushed as FVs and now we have Davy Jones and possibly even Garling? If Garling does overthrow Imu and becomes the next King there is no guarantee that the Gorosei will obey him, or if Garling kills Imu then the powers given to the Gorosei are also taken away and they die like Saturn. So suddenly the whole WG as an opponent thing vanishes since they only have HKs left without the immortality.
 
#3
Ever since the introduction of Imu, people have unanimously agreed he/she would be the main boss of Mariejois/WG war arc.
However, what if that is straight up not true?

You might be thinking >Cmon, Nik, this guy is the final villain, how is it possible that he is not the main boss of his own arc and series itself...
Well, while many people were convinced that Imu was indeed the final villain, after certain revelations, people are starting to doubt that idea and are beginning to lean towards the next best thing, which is Blackbeard.

And recently, as the name drop of Davy Jones ends up the highlight of the meeting between Rocks and Imu, people are starting to shift away from Imu as the final villain more and more and favoring Blackbeard more or perhaps even the lurking legend himself - Davy Jones.

While I was convinced 100% that Imu wasnt a final villain for quite some time already, today I will take a wild guess and say:
Not only Imu isnt a final villain but he isnt even the main villain of WG war!

What? Why? How?!
I will give you time to digest what I just claimed and I will try to elaborate why I think that.
One of the common themes of big wars that we saw so far is Betrayal!

The main dog of Marineford War, Whitebeard, was betrayed by his own and had his chest stabbed by him.
The Shogun of Wano, Orochi, had his head taken off cleanly by his ally Kaido.
I think the same thing will happen to Imu.

Why do I suddenly think this?
Well, it is due to Imu's presence in Elbaf. Imu is on the combat stage in Elbaf through Gunko's body but what strikes me odd here is that Imu is not using Gunko's abilities but instead his/her own! I repeat, Imu is showing off his/her own abilties and we are supposed to expect that main event of WG war is those same abilities again but performed by a different body?

I could be wrong and Imu doesnt show off much but already quite a lot has been shown and it wasnt even a main combat event of Elbaf but a mere warm-up with the fodders. And we have Zoro, Luffy and Loki to yet arrive and oppose Imu which suggests Imu will reveal a lot more of his/her abilities. The more Imu shows off, the more likely is what I am about to suggest...

Imu may not be the main boss of WG war but instead someone else - Figarland Garling!

Why do I think this? Well, for starters, nobody gives a crap about Imu. He is an ancient relic that has no ties to anyone living in the present. The revolutionaries might give a crap because they care about dethroning the evil leaders of WG but otherwise, if anyone gives a shit about Imu it is because they want to steal his seat from him.
The closest to a connection Imu has to someone in the present are Luffy and Vivi, as inheritors of DF and descendants of people Imu knew and both of them dont even know Imu exists... Even if they find out about Imu, they have no personal reason to even care about his/her existence.

On the other hand, Figarland Garling is very much connected to the people shaping the present.
Literally the father of the idol of the main character who is present in the story since chapter 1 and connected to all the big shots that shaped the last 50 years due to the battle in God Valley where he is the one called Champion. Formerly a leader of the Holy Knights and currently ascended to the position of an Elder star.

Champion of God Valley -> Leader of Holy Knights -> Elder -> King of the world?
This guy might be Buggy of the villains, nothing but success and constantly climbing the ladder.
All that we lack is - his ambition. It is pretty much clear that even among the Elders, this guy is special.
I have my doubts that he will be as obedient Imu follower as others are.

He might dream about the throne of the world or he would advance his plans to make his own son as the next King of the World.
Either way, while all the allies focus on Imu, Garling might come out of nowhere and backstab Imu!

He could be thinking that a Nerona has no more right to sit on that throne than a Figarland.
Whether he will straight up kill Imu or significantly injure him is not important but the finale of WG war might not be Imu vs Luffy but Shanks vs Garling isntead. Oda's golden boy from chapter 1, the idol of MC, the ideal pirate and Oda self-insert gets to free the world of the tyranny of World Govt by defeating his father.

The Holy Knights are under his thumb, due to being their former leader and due to his son being their current leader now.
As an Elder, he is the highest authority that commands the Seraphim, Imu cannot override his orders and those very Seraphim could be instrumental plot device for Garling to take Imu down. The only thing in his way is the mark of Abyss, if he has it to begin with, he needs to wait for an opportunity when Imu cannot freely do whatever he/she wants with those bearing that mark.

Things are basically falling into his lap, his significance keeps increasing and guess what awaits us in the event that we are currently heading to - God Valley?
More Garling importance. All of that would mean that the finale of WG war is about the different ideologies of father and son. Shanks could steal the spotlight in this war by beating the one who betrays Imu and it could be foreshadowed by him stopping the Marineford war. His victory over Garling would stop the WG war as well.

What do yall think?
I dont agree that Garling gonna be the main villain of World Government

BUT as I said many times Garling and Shamrocks want the one piece for themselves

The panel that proves that is the contenders panel

Garling and Sharomcks are also contesting the OP against Imu

so yes, I think Oda is planning a conspiracy plot of Figarlands trying to overthrow Nerona Imu
 
#4
Not bad Nik chan, not bad

As Shanks is Oda's self insert, Garling might the character Oda made to honor his dad! In that case, this man has no ceiling.

So Luffy fights BB, Shanks fights Garling in the final war? :risisure:
 
#5
Imu represents 800 years of tyranny and domination and hence fits the perfect role of being main villain of OP imo.

Though its possible that imu is main bad of second world as forest god and earth god in first world is sealed and he is the true final villain , I don't see the point of that as it will simply replace imu while having the same role.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#6
Good one, I personally would love this but how will this fit in the overall story. Previously we had Imu, BB and Akainu (side quest mid diff shit) being pushed as FVs and now we have Davy Jones and possibly even Garling? If Garling does overthrow Imu and becomes the next King there is no guarantee that the Gorosei will obey him, or if Garling kills Imu then the powers given to the Gorosei are also taken away and they die like Saturn. So suddenly the whole WG as an opponent thing vanishes since they only have HKs left without the immortality.
It wouldnt change much because Garling's plan wont succeed, he will just get the last 5 mins of the war for himself instead of it being focused on Imu. He could wait until all Elders are defeated to set his plan in motion in order to avoid them rebelling or overriding his orders to Seraphim. Davy Jones would still be the final villain and would come after WG war.

I dont agree that Garling gonna be the main villain of World Government

BUT as I said many times Garling and Shamrocks want the one piece for themselves
I think all the factions surviving the WG war will want the One Piece.
That includes the Marines but they should drop out before the 4 Emperors decide the winner.

Not bad Nik chan, not bad

As Shanks is Oda's self insert, Garling might the character Oda made to honor his dad! In that case, this man has no ceiling.

So Luffy fights BB, Shanks fights Garling in the final war? :risisure:
Luffy should still focus on Imu in WG war, which I dont think is the final war.
Not much changes if this plot twist happens, pretty much the expected scenario.
The only difference is that Garling might get the spotlight in the final stages of that war instead of Imu.
 
#10
I dont agree that Garling gonna be the main villain of World Government

BUT as I said many times Garling and Shamrocks want the one piece for themselves

The panel that proves that is the contenders panel

Garling and Sharomcks are also contesting the OP against Imu

so yes, I think Oda is planning a conspiracy plot of Figarlands trying to overthrow Nerona Imu
So Figarlands are the Uchiha clan parallel lol
 
#11
Cuz i believe Mary Geoise is Endgame Version of Enies Lobby or Whole Cake Island
Imu is Two Characters in One imo (Just like Cavendish & Hakuba), One is just a Princess & other is The Devil ruling

That Devil is gonna be like Aokiji or Big Mom, their Role is to simply provide the Arc's Time Bomb
They are Strongest there, but They are not gonna be Defeated by Luffy or anyone else (At least during the Conflict)
The Princess that is Hosting this Devil is simply like Spandam or Perospero of the Arc

Gorosei are just like Horsemen of The Apocalypse, They are like Five Vice Admirals who led Buster Call or Commanders who led Big Mom Fleets (Such as Smoothie & Bavarois), there were also Five Fleets. So Gorosei are the ones responsible for leading Imu's Invasion/Time Bomb, They can be Defeated or Fight anyone really or maybe They won't be Defeated, whatever Oda wants, depending on their Origin Story

In my opinion, Luffy's Opponent in Mary Geoise is Champion of Celestial Dragons, their Most Popular Fighter, their Top Protector, basically their Lucci/Katakuri, and that's 100% clearly Figarland Garling
I'm glad We are finally on the same page,
Garling is clearly the Real Deal of WG, Oda is just changing the Placements of his Chess Pieces & giving them New Look & Different Scenarios, but Ultimately it's always the Same Game,

Hody didn't Rule his Arc's Island like Arlong was,
Crocodile didn't Rule his Arc's Island like Doffy was,
Kaidou didn't Rule his Arc's Island like Enel was,
And Lucci didn't Rule his Arc's Island like Garling is,

But at the End, They are Same Villains,
Shark Extremist followed by a Fake Hero Warlord followed by an Invincible Destroyer followed by WG Champion,
Also it should be noted that Luffy's Dream is Separated into Three Parts:

1. Become Great like Shanks
2. Become Great like Roger (Pirate King)
3. Become Great like Joy Boy or Nika (Secret Dream)

And seeing how First Part was achieved by Defeating a Rival of Shanks (Kaidou),
It makes Sense to me that Next Villain is an Enemy from among Roger's Rivals (Garling),
And then Final Villain is the One who needs to be Ancient,
 
#12
Imu arrives in the second arc of the final saga to set up his powers = not only will he not be the FV, he will not be the FV of WG

Also according to nik chama

Buggy = The first fruit besides Luffys we seen extensivly = FV
BB = Seen it several times on page, way more than what "imus powers" (where the community even doesnt know what the fuck it is) including even how the fruit looks = After WG



Another epic eassay
 
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#13
Ever since the introduction of Imu, people have unanimously agreed he/she would be the main boss of Mariejois/WG war arc.
However, what if that is straight up not true?

You might be thinking >Cmon, Nik, this guy is the final villain, how is it possible that he is not the main boss of his own arc and series itself...
Well, while many people were convinced that Imu was indeed the final villain, after certain revelations, people are starting to doubt that idea and are beginning to lean towards the next best thing, which is Blackbeard.

And recently, as the name drop of Davy Jones ends up the highlight of the meeting between Rocks and Imu, people are starting to shift away from Imu as the final villain more and more and favoring Blackbeard more or perhaps even the lurking legend himself - Davy Jones.

While I was convinced 100% that Imu wasnt a final villain for quite some time already, today I will take a wild guess and say:
Not only Imu isnt a final villain but he isnt even the main villain of WG war!

What? Why? How?!
I will give you time to digest what I just claimed and I will try to elaborate why I think that.
One of the common themes of big wars that we saw so far is Betrayal!

The main dog of Marineford War, Whitebeard, was betrayed by his own and had his chest stabbed by him.
The Shogun of Wano, Orochi, had his head taken off cleanly by his ally Kaido.
I think the same thing will happen to Imu.

Why do I suddenly think this?
Well, it is due to Imu's presence in Elbaf. Imu is on the combat stage in Elbaf through Gunko's body but what strikes me odd here is that Imu is not using Gunko's abilities but instead his/her own! I repeat, Imu is showing off his/her own abilties and we are supposed to expect that main event of WG war is those same abilities again but performed by a different body?

I could be wrong and Imu doesnt show off much but already quite a lot has been shown and it wasnt even a main combat event of Elbaf but a mere warm-up with the fodders. And we have Zoro, Luffy and Loki to yet arrive and oppose Imu which suggests Imu will reveal a lot more of his/her abilities. The more Imu shows off, the more likely is what I am about to suggest...

Imu may not be the main boss of WG war but instead someone else - Figarland Garling!

Why do I think this? Well, for starters, nobody gives a crap about Imu. He is an ancient relic that has no ties to anyone living in the present. The revolutionaries might give a crap because they care about dethroning the evil leaders of WG but otherwise, if anyone gives a shit about Imu it is because they want to steal his seat from him.
The closest to a connection Imu has to someone in the present are Luffy and Vivi, as inheritors of DF and descendants of people Imu knew and both of them dont even know Imu exists... Even if they find out about Imu, they have no personal reason to even care about his/her existence.

On the other hand, Figarland Garling is very much connected to the people shaping the present.
Literally the father of the idol of the main character who is present in the story since chapter 1 and connected to all the big shots that shaped the last 50 years due to the battle in God Valley where he is the one called Champion. Formerly a leader of the Holy Knights and currently ascended to the position of an Elder star.

Champion of God Valley -> Leader of Holy Knights -> Elder -> King of the world?
This guy might be Buggy of the villains, nothing but success and constantly climbing the ladder.
All that we lack is - his ambition. It is pretty much clear that even among the Elders, this guy is special.
I have my doubts that he will be as obedient Imu follower as others are.

He might dream about the throne of the world or he would advance his plans to make his own son as the next King of the World.
Either way, while all the allies focus on Imu, Garling might come out of nowhere and backstab Imu!

He could be thinking that a Nerona has no more right to sit on that throne than a Figarland.
Whether he will straight up kill Imu or significantly injure him is not important but the finale of WG war might not be Imu vs Luffy but Shanks vs Garling isntead. Oda's golden boy from chapter 1, the idol of MC, the ideal pirate and Oda self-insert gets to free the world of the tyranny of World Govt by defeating his father.

The Holy Knights are under his thumb, due to being their former leader and due to his son being their current leader now.
As an Elder, he is the highest authority that commands the Seraphim, Imu cannot override his orders and those very Seraphim could be instrumental plot device for Garling to take Imu down. The only thing in his way is the mark of Abyss, if he has it to begin with, he needs to wait for an opportunity when Imu cannot freely do whatever he/she wants with those bearing that mark.

Things are basically falling into his lap, his significance keeps increasing and guess what awaits us in the event that we are currently heading to - God Valley?
More Garling importance. All of that would mean that the finale of WG war is about the different ideologies of father and son. Shanks could steal the spotlight in this war by beating the one who betrays Imu and it could be foreshadowed by him stopping the Marineford war. His victory over Garling would stop the WG war as well.

What do yall think?
You're in the right track but still wrong

the secret boss of the holy land isn't garling
rather its the Nerona king who oda hasn't showed yet

u might ask isn't the nerona king imu ? Well no
imu its the face of the Nerona family and acting the boss while the real king is hiding himself from everyone except imu

imu =obito
real nerona king = Madara
:BigW:
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#14
Another epic eassay
An essay so epic it is above the pay grade of the simple-minded. :crazwhat:

You're in the right track but still wrong

the secret boss of the holy land isn't garling
rather its the Nerona king who oda hasn't showed yet

u might ask isn't the nerona king imu ? Well no
imu its the face of the Nerona family and acting the boss while the real king is hiding himself from everyone except imu

imu =obito
real nerona king = Madara
:BigW:
I think the one you consider Madara would be Davy Jones in this case, imo.
But he will arrive a long time after Imu is taken down, in several islands afterwards.
 
#18
Luffy and Vivi, as inheritors of DF and descendants of people Imu knew and both of them dont even know Imu exists... Even if they find out about Imu, they have no personal reason to even care about his/her existence.

imu killed vivi's dad. tf you mean she has no reason to care abt his existence?
 
#19
The most important Figarlands spawn from this man’s loins

Man walks into Gorosei meeting like he owns the place

The only relevant HK in God valley and whom WB gets PTSD over

Oda hides his strength for a reason

Warling is the second most important person after Xebec in the grand scheme of things in overthrowing current king of the world Imu

Garling vs Xebec for world domination? Would be fitting as their children continue their rivalry to this day :steef: Goda masterclass
 
#20
While I don't exactly agree with the notion that he will be the be all end all (for me that always has been, and will be Blackbeard) I can get behind Garling playing a much more prominent role in the story than most people think, and can even help bolster your theory a bit.

So those of you who know me from the old days, know I used to do a series of theories that connect One Piece to Final Fantasy. And while I've long since done one of those, there is one that popped into my head ever since the revelation of Garling. One in which connected Shanks having a twin brother long before it was ever revealed.

I'm Final Fantasy 6, you get two party members who turn out to be twin brothers. Their names are Edgar and Sabin. The kicker? The name of the country they come from, and that Edgar ruies over is called Figaro. When their father grew sick, and it was time to name a successor, they flipped a coin, which Edgar won the toss, and Sabin decided to leave the Kingdom afterwards.

That in and of itself is a huge parallel to Shanks and Shamrock. Two nobles of former royalty, with one deciding to leave the Ki gdom, while the other stays behind. They share the last name of Figarland, which is eerily similar to the country Figaro of FF6.

It gets deeper though, as how does Garling play into all of this? Well, it just so happens that the main villain in Final Fantasy 1 (Chaos) happens to go by another name as well. Garland. If you take the name of the main villain of Final Fantasy one, and put it together with the name of the country in Final Fantasy 6, where the two twins were born, you get "Figarland". The Garling/Garland parallel speaks for itself.

This is all from coming from memory of when I played the games, but I'm sure there is more connections I could make if I did some research, but I just don't have the time at the moment.

Do with this information as you will @nik87
 
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