General & Others If you were Harald, would you have joined Xebec?

Would you have joined Xebec if you were Harald?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 50.0%

  • No

    Votes: 19 50.0%
  • Total voters
    38
Kiri

Kiri

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#21
#21
DonWick said:
Seeing how corrupt the WG is I would have gladly joined Xebec to take them out.

Xebec seemed to have the right idea, even about Garp he’d be better off as a pirate. They aren’t an organization you change from the inside.
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"take them out"

You wouldn't be able to unless you took out Imu, and even if harald ate that df theres no guarantee they'd win

So you want Harald to risk his entire political position with in the world that he's spent years building up and solidifying, to attempt to overthrow the WG.

Even if they won god valley, Imu could potentially just use an ancient weapon to wipe out the survivors. Harald would survive and now have to worry about his entire peoples being annihilated.

He'd have to change his entire philosophy and start building up elbaph as a military instead of focusing on trade. Anyone who was allied with elbaph would be targeted also, either being destroyed or turning coat to the WG.

His economics would come crashing down. If there's another drought everyone in elbaph will starve to death, or they'd have to go back to raiding and pillaging other countries, the very thing Harald already vowed to stop doing.

So no, Harald made the right choice in the long run.
 
Captain E.L.

Captain E.L.

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#23
#23
No.i have responsibilities to my kingdom.i can't leave island for being pirate with rocks.
I just said him to:
"Your plan wil be unsuccesfull and you'll killed by wg,your thinks are so crazy and unbelieveble.if you want a ancient giant,go and find the another one,you brutal pirate!
 
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Jinjoo

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#26
#26
The thing is world government has tremendous resources. There is no proper garantee that harald's inclusion in God valley could have stopped imu. Yes Rocks seem to believe that they together can challenge the might of wg. Harald doesn't . But Rocks seems to know about stuffs more then most. He seems to have some kind of idea to stop imu. And Maybe his plan would have worked. But harald didn't think it would. He didn't believe rocks could take on the world even if he joined him. SO from harald's pov joining up with rocks would be failure and just make him, his country a target. All the compromises and alliance building he has been up to would go to drain. Whatever his moral issues could have been regarding rocks, he also deep down didn't believe that it would work even if he joined him.

BTW Rocks is most definitely a better option than imu though. Even if rocks tried to do a whole sale blind massacre of celestial dragons and the slaves in God Valley I will still say he is a better alternative then WG.
 
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Rej

Rej

Holy Simp
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#31
#31
what a twisted world the world of one piece is

on the one hand you have kings joining up with Luffy and the Strawhats because of what the Strawhats do, and on the other side you have a Harald who refuses Rocks' invites, when it actually was the biggest opportunity to change the world, eventually for the better

yes Harald should have joined Rocks, but at the same time it was also a fine decision to not do so

edit: also Harald carrying the elements of a "naive king/leader" within himself. he still has a little bit of hope in the world government
 
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Desolate Smaug

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#32
#32
Jinjoo said:
The thing is world government has tremendous resources. There is no proper garantee that harald's inclusion in God valley could have stopped imu. Yes Rocks seem to believe that they together can challenge the might of wg. Harald doesn't . But Rocks seems to know about stuffs more then most. He seems to have some kind of idea to stop imu. And Maybe his plan would have worked. But harald didn't think it would. He didn't believe rocks could take on the world even if he joined him. SO from harald's pov joining up with rocks would be failure and just make him, his country a target. All the compromises and alliance building he has been up to would go to drain. Whatever his moral issues could have been regarding rocks, he also deep down didn't believe that it would work even if he joined him.

BTW Rocks is most definitely a better option than imu though. Even if rocks tried to do a whole sale blind massacre of celestial dragons and the slaves in God Valley I will still say he is a better alternative then WG.
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I think the true test of morality in one piece is the issue of slavery.
Kaido is despicable because he is okay with enslaving and working working people to death. Rocks for all his flaws I don't think he moves like that. So yea his war against the WG would have been pretty bloody with most likely unnecessary sacrifices coz of his rough nature but I honestly don't think he could create a more evil organisation than the current WG.

People don't seem to understand the current WG is extremely competent in subjugating and terrorising people. The only slight problem with Rocks would be a bit of chaos and maybe incompetence in how things are run.
 
soupongo

soupongo

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#34
#34
Not worth it,as a king it would simply be to risky to get tied in with Xebec. You could end up angering the wrong person, or even his own crewmates.
 
Kung-Fu Dugong

Kung-Fu Dugong

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#36
#36
It isn't a question of making the best decision or not, it's a question of knowledge. How much did Harald knew about the WG? He honestly still seems naive up to the latest flashback we saw. Considering that, if I was Harald, I would've tried to join the WG too. It clearly seems to be the safest route for his country so far.

However, if I was myself in Harald's position, with all the information from 1157 chapters of manga (including inside knowledge of all key characters), I wouldn't join either the WG or Rocks; I'd form my own crew to sail the seas and create my own fleet of allies. Kinda like the Yonko do right now. I'll try to at least keep up tabs with Roger (if possible, I'd even go to Laugh Tale), so I'd know about the secrets of the world really soon. With that knowledge and my giant's lifespan, I'd be able to wait for the next Joy Boy/Nika and join him to take down the Yonko and the WG.
 
Welkin

Welkin

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#38
#38
Another thing a lot of people aren’t noting is that Rocks even with Harald was more than likely fucked anyway

The way Oda is writing it seems like it’s practically impossible to challenge the WG without a large number of strong allies (Xebec doesn’t fully have this) and the ancient weapons (with the OG Galley La he might obtain Pluton)

Luffy going into the final war will have his own crew with 3-4 top tiers (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and maybe Jinbei), the Revolutionaries led by Dragon and Sabo, the samurai from Wano including Yamato, the Kuja with Hancock, the Elbaf giants along with Loki and Hajrudin, the Minks led by Carrot, the Grand Fleet which includes the military might of an entire kingdom, Fishman Island, the Gladiators from Dressrosa through Rebecca, Old Rayleigh/Gaban, Law, Kidd, etc

Along with 1-2 ancient weapons in Shirahoshi + Pluton

He’ll essentially have half of the known decently strong characters flying his banner in the final war (whether they acknowledge it or not) and it’ll still probably be close

Rocks didn’t even have half of this

Can’t fully blame him either cause some of it was impossible for him to obtain (Shirahoshi wasn’t born yet, the Revs didn’t exist yet, etc) but that’s just how it goes
 
Bisoromi Bear

Bisoromi Bear

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#39
#39
Welkin said:
Another thing a lot of people aren’t noting is that Rocks even with Harald was more than likely fucked anyway

The way Oda is writing it seems like it’s practically impossible to challenge the WG without a large number of strong allies (Xebec doesn’t fully have this) and the ancient weapons (with the OG Galley La he might obtain Pluton)

Luffy going into the final war will have his own crew with 3-4 top tiers (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and maybe Jinbei), the Revolutionaries led by Dragon and Sabo, the samurai from Wano including Yamato, the Kuja with Hancock, the Elbaf giants along with Loki and Hajrudin, the Minks led by Carrot, the Grand Fleet which includes the military might of an entire kingdom, Fishman Island, the Gladiators from Dressrosa through Rebecca, Old Rayleigh/Gaban, Law, Kidd, etc

Along with 1-2 ancient weapons in Shirahoshi + Pluton

He’ll essentially have half of the known decently strong characters flying his banner in the final war (whether they acknowledge it or not) and it’ll still probably be close

Rocks didn’t even have half of this

Can’t fully blame him either cause some of it was impossible for him to obtain (Shirahoshi wasn’t born yet, the Revs didn’t exist yet, etc) but that’s just how it goes
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This, Rocks was too early to take down the government and so was Harald who was never meant to achieve his goal of making Elbaf a WG member state since the WG is not in line with his values but the opposite.
 
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