Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1162 Spoilers Discussion
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Navy being corrupt has nothing to do with that conversation, you are merely creating context you want. But the context is clear, ONLY thing Issho talks about is how Straw Hats are supposed to be heroes and not them, which is what "birds of feather" refers to.
Any other interpretation is you pushing your preference on manga.
1) Not stated in that conversation
2) Why would Revolutionaries NOT want to save Dressrosa? Fujitora would have no reason to "realize" they are "birds of the feather" for that.
No, Sabo was explicitly buying time for Luffy when he fought Issho, he only later had a talk with him where they realized their goals align.
And he believed in Luffy, he made a gamble
1) Sure, but the point is, that he had no reason to defeat Burgess until Doflamingo was beaten.
And we see that, after Doflamingo is beaten, Sabo just casually leaves Burgess who is lying on the ground wrecked.
2) Luffy wasn't a brother in need, he is a pirate breaking out in the world who wanted to beat Doflamingo himself.
Any other interpretation is you pushing your preference on manga.
1) Not stated in that conversation
2) Why would Revolutionaries NOT want to save Dressrosa? Fujitora would have no reason to "realize" they are "birds of the feather" for that.
No, Sabo was explicitly buying time for Luffy when he fought Issho, he only later had a talk with him where they realized their goals align.
And he believed in Luffy, he made a gamble
1) Sure, but the point is, that he had no reason to defeat Burgess until Doflamingo was beaten.
And we see that, after Doflamingo is beaten, Sabo just casually leaves Burgess who is lying on the ground wrecked.
2) Luffy wasn't a brother in need, he is a pirate breaking out in the world who wanted to beat Doflamingo himself.
Kaido literally betrayed Orochi.
Orochi was still Kaido's ally, doesn't matter if Orochi was an idiot and wasn't part of his crew.
They were still allied for over two decades.
You can cope all you want, but Kaido attacking Orochi was still act of betrayal.
Also when it comes to Big Mom, she didn't betray anyone in her crew either, the Vinsmokes weren't fully allied with her yet when she decided to betray them.
Orochi was still Kaido's ally, doesn't matter if Orochi was an idiot and wasn't part of his crew.
They were still allied for over two decades.
You can cope all you want, but Kaido attacking Orochi was still act of betrayal.
Also when it comes to Big Mom, she didn't betray anyone in her crew either, the Vinsmokes weren't fully allied with her yet when she decided to betray them.
I'm not trying to take sides about the Sabo and Fuji topic here but it is interesting, their actions at Dressrosa did kinda confuse me and it's funny how both were big players in the Reverie incident later and Fuji ended up letting slaves escape and never trying to truly capture and take down Sabo either. He was always sandbagging based on his own personal justice/beliefs and morals too ofc.
The thing I wanted to mention actually, someone pointed out Sabo used a chess themed move against Imu.:
I love that. I'm not sure what it means as I'm not a chess fan but I love the idea of Dragon being the chessmaster and Sabo is inheriting that too somewhat? It explains Dragons reluctant to take action and being so passive and suits its pacifist nature too. He's more like a modern commander general /king that would rather sit back and command others to fight for him and take risks, make sacrifices rather than the generals and kings who would go out and fight, risking their own lives in ancient history. If that makes sense?
But Oda is probably trying to symbolise something bigger here too. I don't think Sabo will always be loyal to Dragon and he's got a much darker, more savage and wrathful side as he showed vs Bastille and Burgess in Dressrosa. I was really hoping Oda would elaborate on that but alas. Sabo being hailed as the Flame Emperor and having such infamy worldwide, people revering him and seeing him as a hero just like Luffy, both of them being major liberators of oppressed countries and Sabo having huge banners of him put up to celebrate him in some countries, I feel this will have greater pull/consequences in future somehow.
I asked AI to help me explain this better too:
The thing I wanted to mention actually, someone pointed out Sabo used a chess themed move against Imu.:
I love that. I'm not sure what it means as I'm not a chess fan but I love the idea of Dragon being the chessmaster and Sabo is inheriting that too somewhat? It explains Dragons reluctant to take action and being so passive and suits its pacifist nature too. He's more like a modern commander general /king that would rather sit back and command others to fight for him and take risks, make sacrifices rather than the generals and kings who would go out and fight, risking their own lives in ancient history. If that makes sense?
But Oda is probably trying to symbolise something bigger here too. I don't think Sabo will always be loyal to Dragon and he's got a much darker, more savage and wrathful side as he showed vs Bastille and Burgess in Dressrosa. I was really hoping Oda would elaborate on that but alas. Sabo being hailed as the Flame Emperor and having such infamy worldwide, people revering him and seeing him as a hero just like Luffy, both of them being major liberators of oppressed countries and Sabo having huge banners of him put up to celebrate him in some countries, I feel this will have greater pull/consequences in future somehow.
I asked AI to help me explain this better too:
Dragon is most strategic out of top tiers, no doubt.
I don't think Sabo has "unusually" dark side, he is just willing to do ugly things to achieve their goal.
Sabo will definitely be a major leading figure in the future.
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