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You said Palestinians want to destroy Israel and then proceed to name two terrorist organizations (only one of which is based in Palestine) that actively fight against Israel.
Talk about painting with broad strokes.
The peace talks point isn't even worth discussing when in most of them Palestine either a) wasn't directly represented by any representative, and b) deal were lopsided
Talk about painting with broad strokes.
The peace talks point isn't even worth discussing when in most of them Palestine either a) wasn't directly represented by any representative, and b) deal were lopsided
https://www.commondreams.org/news/a...ution-most-refuse-to-embrace-medicare-for-all
Seriously, what even is the argument against M4A? Rise in premiums? No, because private insurers already do that at least once a year; restricted access to care? Every provider in the US accepts Medicare, so that’s not it either; increased risk of claim fraud? I’ve been a healthcare biller for a decade now, and I can assure y’all that kind of thing will happen no matter what, so it shouldn’t be a bigger concern than it already is. The only thing detractors can say is that it’s a socialist practice, and we’ve all waxed philosophical on that concept as is…ergo, since there’s no real reason not to open it up to everyone, then it’s gotta be the usual - the unfettered, shameless greed of people who already have more money than God
Seriously, what even is the argument against M4A? Rise in premiums? No, because private insurers already do that at least once a year; restricted access to care? Every provider in the US accepts Medicare, so that’s not it either; increased risk of claim fraud? I’ve been a healthcare biller for a decade now, and I can assure y’all that kind of thing will happen no matter what, so it shouldn’t be a bigger concern than it already is. The only thing detractors can say is that it’s a socialist practice, and we’ve all waxed philosophical on that concept as is…ergo, since there’s no real reason not to open it up to everyone, then it’s gotta be the usual - the unfettered, shameless greed of people who already have more money than God
My guy, Hamas was democratically elected. The Palestinians voted for a group that swore in its charter to destroy Israel way back in 1988. They were elected in 2006. You mean to tell me the Palestinians hold no ill will towards Israel? Please, we are not children here. Hamas only softened its stance in 2017.
Back in the Ottoman Empire days, there wasn't such revolt over identity and sovereignty either. All of this is in response to Zionism. I don't support everything Israel does, but there is enough historical evidence to support the claim that the nonexistence of a Palestinian state is to be blamed on the Arabs themselves:
1937- Peel Commission
Zionist leaders accepted the proposition; Arabic leaders did not. In fact, they rejected the idea of partition entirely.
1947- UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181)
The Jewish agency accepted it; Arab states and Palestinian authorities rejected it.
2000- Camp David Summit
The offer included 100% of Gaza and 90% of the West Bank. Arafat did not accept.
2008-Ehud Olmert Proposal
~94% of the West Bank, 1:1 land swaps, shared Jerusalem, and an international plan for refugees. Abbas refused.
Granted some other negotiations were fucked up by Israelis—the 2001 Taba summit, for example—but it is very clear the Arabs have always been nitpicking about these terms.
Edit: Actually, I said that "Arabs" want Israel gone. Of course, it's a generalization. Many Arab nations have strong ties with Israel and could be considered "allied" nations. You get my point.
Back in the Ottoman Empire days, there wasn't such revolt over identity and sovereignty either. All of this is in response to Zionism. I don't support everything Israel does, but there is enough historical evidence to support the claim that the nonexistence of a Palestinian state is to be blamed on the Arabs themselves:
1937- Peel Commission
Zionist leaders accepted the proposition; Arabic leaders did not. In fact, they rejected the idea of partition entirely.
1947- UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181)
The Jewish agency accepted it; Arab states and Palestinian authorities rejected it.
2000- Camp David Summit
The offer included 100% of Gaza and 90% of the West Bank. Arafat did not accept.
2008-Ehud Olmert Proposal
~94% of the West Bank, 1:1 land swaps, shared Jerusalem, and an international plan for refugees. Abbas refused.
Granted some other negotiations were fucked up by Israelis—the 2001 Taba summit, for example—but it is very clear the Arabs have always been nitpicking about these terms.
Edit: Actually, I said that "Arabs" want Israel gone. Of course, it's a generalization. Many Arab nations have strong ties with Israel and could be considered "allied" nations. You get my point.
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Ignorant + coward + Fascist ideology + Colonist apologist (+ sanist)
Citizenship is not mentioned in the definitions, it concerns all people resident in the country and racialized groups. It's simply the case of strong a racial form of domination. Racism in the open, if you prefer. Technically, many western countries are paving the way to apartheid at the moment. I'm scared for the US especially.
Citizenship is not mentioned in the definitions, it concerns all people resident in the country and racialized groups. It's simply the case of strong a racial form of domination. Racism in the open, if you prefer. Technically, many western countries are paving the way to apartheid at the moment. I'm scared for the US especially.
Ottoman Empire in Palestine was chill compared to the Zionist deportations and genocide. As a matter of fact, Ottoman Empire as a whole was tolerant (with limits depending on which exact era) compared to its European neighbour with his « minorities » and its colonization.
Obviously not an utopia though
Obviously not an utopia though
Ignorant + coward + Fascist ideology + Colonist apologist (+ sanist)
Citizenship is not mentioned in the definitions, it concerns all people resident in the country and racialized groups. It's simply the case of strong a racial form of domination. Racism in the open, if you prefer. Technically, many western countries are paving the way to apartheid at the moment. I'm scared for the US especially.
Citizenship is not mentioned in the definitions, it concerns all people resident in the country and racialized groups. It's simply the case of strong a racial form of domination. Racism in the open, if you prefer. Technically, many western countries are paving the way to apartheid at the moment. I'm scared for the US especially.
No, Brazilians that migrate illegally deserve to be deported just like anyone else. The thing is, THERE IS NO ILLEGAL MASS MIGRATION OF BRAZILIANS GOING ON IN PORTUGAL. Btw, around ~5 million Brazilians are Portuguese citizens as well. We have received way more Portuguese in Brazil than the other way around.
There are over 25 ethnicities living in Brazil. Jews, Arabs, Asians, Africans, Europeans...you name them. We have historically received migrants from all over the world every time a conflict popped up. 99% of our population speaks Portuguese. They all assimilated into our culture, and we cherish the good things their cultures have shared with us. We don't have conflicts over ethnicity/religion.
You are trying to label me as a racist anti-immigration zealot with nothing to back your arguments. I wouldn't be saying a thing about Europe if there were no spike in criminality, disrespect of the European way of living, and political/cultural subversion perpetrated by said migrants. There would be no reason to complain about anything if life there was going on as usual; the problem is that European peace has been disturbed, and their national identities are also at risk.
But go on about how I'm such a racist for condemning ILLEGAL AND UNCONTROLLED IMMIGRATION. It's very easy to point fingers and virtue signal about shit you don't live from the safety of your mom's basement.
There are over 25 ethnicities living in Brazil. Jews, Arabs, Asians, Africans, Europeans...you name them. We have historically received migrants from all over the world every time a conflict popped up. 99% of our population speaks Portuguese. They all assimilated into our culture, and we cherish the good things their cultures have shared with us. We don't have conflicts over ethnicity/religion.
You are trying to label me as a racist anti-immigration zealot with nothing to back your arguments. I wouldn't be saying a thing about Europe if there were no spike in criminality, disrespect of the European way of living, and political/cultural subversion perpetrated by said migrants. There would be no reason to complain about anything if life there was going on as usual; the problem is that European peace has been disturbed, and their national identities are also at risk.
But go on about how I'm such a racist for condemning ILLEGAL AND UNCONTROLLED IMMIGRATION. It's very easy to point fingers and virtue signal about shit you don't live from the safety of your mom's basement.
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I’d rather ask historians. And not even the Turkish ones.
But as I said, as a whole. Communities lived together. Wether Christian, Jewish or Muslim. With limits such as taxes higher taxes for non Muslims.
It also depends on the era. People often bring up the 19th century as if the Empire hadn’t lasted for centuries. Wether it’s Byzantium or classical Roman Empire, they never collapse in one year. There is a period of decline.
But as I said, as a whole. Communities lived together. Wether Christian, Jewish or Muslim. With limits such as taxes higher taxes for non Muslims.
It also depends on the era. People often bring up the 19th century as if the Empire hadn’t lasted for centuries. Wether it’s Byzantium or classical Roman Empire, they never collapse in one year. There is a period of decline.
"O Muslims! Know and be aware that the Qizilbāsh people, whose leader is Ismail son of Ardabil has looked down on our Prophet's laws (Sharia), his custom (sunna), the religion of Islam, the religious science and the Qur'an, which tells us what is right and wrong. They have regarded the prohibitions of God as being allowed. They have offended the Holy Qur'an and burned it by throwing it into the fire. They have even seen their own damned leader as God and prostrated to him. They have cursed and denied the caliphate of the noble Abu Bakr and Umar. They have slandered and cursed the Prophet's wife, our mother Aisha. They intend to eradicate the Prophet's laws (Sharia) and the religion of Islam. Their other offensive statements and behavior similar to what is mentioned here, is known clearly by both me and the rest of the Islamic scholars. We have therefore in accordance with the rules of the religious law (Sharia) and the rights provided in our books, issued a statement (fatwa) towards this population as being infidel and pagan. It is any Muslims duty to destroy such a population. The holy martyr Muslims who die in this connection will achieve the highest paradise (Jannat ul-Ala). The infidels who die, will become contemptible and end up in a place in the deepest hell. The condition of this population is worse than the unbelievers (Christians and Jews). The animals that these people butcher or hunt down are impure (murdar), whether it is by falconry, bow or dog. The marriages they make among each other or with other populations are not valid. They have no right to inheritance. If they live in a village, only the Sultan of Islam, has the right to take over their properties and values and their children by slaughtering all the villagers. These values can only be divided between soldiers of Islam. After this collection, one should not listen to their repentances and regrets, but kill all of them. If it is known that there are any one of them or anyone who supports them here in this town, these must be killed. This kind of population is both incredulous and pagan and at the same time harmful. For these two reasons, it is necessary (vajib) to kill them. God helps those who help the religion and harms those who do harm to a Muslim"
Straight from the Mufti's mouth all the way back to 1500s btw
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Straight from the Mufti's mouth all the way back to 1500s btw
It’s almost like there is a context around this fatwa. Something like wars with Iran and typical xenophobia from anytime in history.
Do you have the source ?
Anyway, my words remain true. But I repeat that my intentions are not to make an Empire look great and wash them from their crimes.
Just clarifying that I was originally replying to @NAMELESS whom I didn’t quote and who was roughly saying that Palestinians had only a problem with the Zionists and not the Ottoman without specifying that Ottoman colonies specifically in Palestine did tolerate the main religions there.
Do you have the source ?
Anyway, my words remain true. But I repeat that my intentions are not to make an Empire look great and wash them from their crimes.
Just clarifying that I was originally replying to @NAMELESS whom I didn’t quote and who was roughly saying that Palestinians had only a problem with the Zionists and not the Ottoman without specifying that Ottoman colonies specifically in Palestine did tolerate the main religions there.
Does that justify it?
Şehabettin Tekindağ: Yeni Kaynak ve Vesikaların Işığı Altında Yavuz Sultan Selim'in İran Seferi, Tarih Dergisi, Mart 1967, sayı: 22, s. 54–55 i Cengiz, Seyfi. From wiki
Regardless you are ignoring the discrimination against Twelvers Alawites and Druze and Yazidim that was rampant during the Ottoman era
Muhammad Ali Pasha Rebellion against the Ottomans was welcomed with Warm arms by Druze and Alawites for a reason
Şehabettin Tekindağ: Yeni Kaynak ve Vesikaların Işığı Altında Yavuz Sultan Selim'in İran Seferi, Tarih Dergisi, Mart 1967, sayı: 22, s. 54–55 i Cengiz, Seyfi. From wiki
Regardless you are ignoring the discrimination against Twelvers Alawites and Druze and Yazidim that was rampant during the Ottoman era
Muhammad Ali Pasha Rebellion against the Ottomans was welcomed with Warm arms by Druze and Alawites for a reason
High-quality content. I listened to everything while working. I take back what I said about the peace talks. Still, it seems to me that Palestinians voted for Hamas out of bad blood. Do you have any other high-quality videos about that as well? I understand Jews did a lot of shady things to Palestinians in the early days of Israel, but I still think the idea of dismantling modern-day Israel is obsolete. They are an established nation right now. Yeah, I get that was probably their strategy: "Let's move him, take over the land, and establish a state. The world will eventually legitimize us." Well, I guess they won, because that is exactly how it went down, and now it isn't a realistic or fair solution to create a second Jewish diaspora. Just my two cents.
The majority of Brazilians are Christian. We have around 1 million Muslims and 120 thousand Jews. No conflicts over religion here.
The majority of Brazilians are Christian. We have around 1 million Muslims and 120 thousand Jews. No conflicts over religion here.
The problem is that Israel is based on the notion of ethnical nationalism. By defaut this creates a form of oppression that can only hurt Israelian and palestinian and create conflict or war. The destruction of ISrael means the creation of a new state, with both palestinian and Israelian under the guidance of neutral international commitee. This is what expert believe to be the best solutions at the moment.
And they are right. Since the problem with all conflicts is material first: People simply need to live in peace. So as long as someone keep under control the zionist & the religious zealot on the other side who wanna contol everything, the material condition should be met if there is a created consensus of peace. But colonization needs to stop, parts of the lands needs to be given back & the apartheid must go.
Trump really had an insane aura moment when he got shot that will go down in history only for him to be a dogshit president
His whole agenda of being anti immigrant is also dead, if immigrants are the scapegoat for every problem, things need to become better once they are deported which is not happening.
We still have high crime, low affordability, house owners are becoming older and older, unemployment increasing, its harder to find work, pay isnt increasing
Plus 300 billion for ICE funding while cutting medicare & goverment jobs, will backfire massively
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His whole agenda of being anti immigrant is also dead, if immigrants are the scapegoat for every problem, things need to become better once they are deported which is not happening.
We still have high crime, low affordability, house owners are becoming older and older, unemployment increasing, its harder to find work, pay isnt increasing
Plus 300 billion for ICE funding while cutting medicare & goverment jobs, will backfire massively