Character Discussion Wano is a great arc and Kaido is a great villain
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The idea that “everyone agrees Kaido is one of the worst written characters” is just wrong. Sure, some fans complain about certain choices, but a huge part of the community sees Kaido exactly the way Oda intended him to be: a force of nature that defined an entire era and carried the story’s hype for over a decade.
Calling that a failure is pure exaggeration. A character who sparks this much debate, analysis and emotional reaction is anything but a failure.
And honestly, Kaido is exactly what Oda wanted him to be. He’s the embodiment of raw strength, the absolute peak of power in OP, the final wall everyone feared. He’s straightforward, violent, overwhelming, and that fits perfectly with the role he was designed to play.
When a villain is so powerful, so feared and so influential that the story bends around his presence alone, that isn’t bad writing. That’s intention. That’s purpose. That’s Oda doing exactly what he set out to do with Kaido.
And let’s be real, it’s not like One Piece is full of perfectly written characters anyway. Oda eventually fumbles with almost everything he touches.
Calling that a failure is pure exaggeration. A character who sparks this much debate, analysis and emotional reaction is anything but a failure.
And honestly, Kaido is exactly what Oda wanted him to be. He’s the embodiment of raw strength, the absolute peak of power in OP, the final wall everyone feared. He’s straightforward, violent, overwhelming, and that fits perfectly with the role he was designed to play.
When a villain is so powerful, so feared and so influential that the story bends around his presence alone, that isn’t bad writing. That’s intention. That’s purpose. That’s Oda doing exactly what he set out to do with Kaido.
And let’s be real, it’s not like One Piece is full of perfectly written characters anyway. Oda eventually fumbles with almost everything he touches.
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I'm honestly afraid the Admirals won't get awakenings for the same reason, because imho (I guess you'd disagree here lol) if given the chance to go all out they'd on the same level as Yonko, and the same constraint would apply.
....and I really don't want our first logia awakening to be Sabo lmao. I guess Crocodile would be fine though.
My only hope is that we reach JB levels of powercreep in the final saga they'll be given awakenings to keep up.
....and I really don't want our first logia awakening to be Sabo lmao. I guess Crocodile would be fine though.
My only hope is that we reach JB levels of powercreep in the final saga they'll be given awakenings to keep up.
Yeah, fine, but Kaidou fulfills his role perfectly in the story: he’s the strongest guy, the one who needed a massive amount of help to be taken down, a cruel man and all that. Of course Oda fell short in some areas—he always does. Isn’t God Valley the most recent proof of that? So why act like Kaidou is the only one worth criticizing? Obviously he’s a tank and obviously he can take all that damage, but the criticism aimed at him alone is unfair. Oda is butchering everything lately.
There are no perfectly written characters in One Piece. None.
Oda basically said, “I’m going to create an insanely strong guy (the strongest) because the narrative needs that. The protagonist needs someone like this to grow.” Kaidou is one of the most influential Emperors in the New World, controls territory that matters for the endgame, holds the Road Poneglyphs Luffy needs, and he turned out the way he is because the world shaped him into that. That’s it. He doesn’t really need deep emotional backstories or tragic sob stories. Honestly, I don’t think sad backstories even fit the WSC.
At the end of the day, the only real flaw left is Oda not explaining Kaidou’s origins and the Oni race. But he also left the Lunarians hanging with no proper explanation about what happened to them. So yeah, it’s disappointing.
There are no perfectly written characters in One Piece. None.
Oda basically said, “I’m going to create an insanely strong guy (the strongest) because the narrative needs that. The protagonist needs someone like this to grow.” Kaidou is one of the most influential Emperors in the New World, controls territory that matters for the endgame, holds the Road Poneglyphs Luffy needs, and he turned out the way he is because the world shaped him into that. That’s it. He doesn’t really need deep emotional backstories or tragic sob stories. Honestly, I don’t think sad backstories even fit the WSC.
At the end of the day, the only real flaw left is Oda not explaining Kaidou’s origins and the Oni race. But he also left the Lunarians hanging with no proper explanation about what happened to them. So yeah, it’s disappointing.
It is the post timeskip arc with most engagement. Just see this spoiler thread
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/one-piece-chapter-1022-spoilers-discussion.16238/
Wano has some of the most active discussion in this forum. It introduces major power such as G5, Ashura, Ifrit Jambe that the fandom wanks like there is no day tomorrow.
Kaido was a mighty foe that wrecked luffy the most time compared to other villains. The fact that Kaido is still discussed until now shows his significance as top fighters in this series. Kaido has reached iconic level. He is the Madara/Thanos of this series.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/one-piece-chapter-1022-spoilers-discussion.16238/
Wano has some of the most active discussion in this forum. It introduces major power such as G5, Ashura, Ifrit Jambe that the fandom wanks like there is no day tomorrow.
Kaido was a mighty foe that wrecked luffy the most time compared to other villains. The fact that Kaido is still discussed until now shows his significance as top fighters in this series. Kaido has reached iconic level. He is the Madara/Thanos of this series.
Devilmaster despite his extreme bias, makes a good point about Kaido. Kaido was written to be a strength wall for MC and others to overcome. That's all he ever was, that's all he really needs, he was written to be like Freeza, gauntlet boss, simple backstory and massive powercreep jump
Kaido fulfilled that role very well. His defeat went on so far as to be compared to Ryuma's saving of Wano and the second coming of Joyboy (the only one Kaido purpoted to be able to beat him), his previous opponent was a mutherfucking samurai said to be on par with Roger and WB ffs
Kaido backstory was simple and to the point. His main tenet lies in the present where he is just a fucking monster. Him and BM are the "monster" titans compared to humans with peak physique/haki WB and Shanks. It is what makes Yonko, Yonkos, they are the abnormalities and epitome of strength in the pirate world
I'm surprised to be saying this but anybody who says Kaido is a terribly written character legitimately doesn't understand the role Oda fleshed out for him. It is like hating Aizen for not having a sad or full backstory
Kaido fulfilled that role very well. His defeat went on so far as to be compared to Ryuma's saving of Wano and the second coming of Joyboy (the only one Kaido purpoted to be able to beat him), his previous opponent was a mutherfucking samurai said to be on par with Roger and WB ffs
Kaido backstory was simple and to the point. His main tenet lies in the present where he is just a fucking monster. Him and BM are the "monster" titans compared to humans with peak physique/haki WB and Shanks. It is what makes Yonko, Yonkos, they are the abnormalities and epitome of strength in the pirate world
I'm surprised to be saying this but anybody who says Kaido is a terribly written character legitimately doesn't understand the role Oda fleshed out for him. It is like hating Aizen for not having a sad or full backstory
hmmmm.
I always had the impression that a lot of villains represents a certain style of organization, villainy or whichever you wanna call it.
Like, Blackbeard is full out Pirate as you imagine it. Lawless, no honour, just win by any means, raid and take what you want.
Croc and Baroque were Mafia.
Doffy was the Underworld Overlord.
And so on. You get my drift.
Kaidou to me is the closest thing to a Tribal Chief. The ones you usually see as Orcs in fantasy like LotR for example, imagine Lurtz. At the top is the most powerful of them. Rule by strength. Hence the Oni references. Its pure savagery. Oppression not for politics or topics like race but solely that everyone else is weaker and deserve to be pounded.
He is a battlewhore too.
Its oppression at its rawest and most brutal form. Caveman logic you could argue. If you have the power to basically do as you like, Kaidou is the one who does whatever he wants cause he was the pinnacle.
I would say that is the worst kind of oppression. Its senseless might makes right but I also do think Kaidou perfected it because he was THAT mighty that next to nothing could stop him anyway.
Thats all Kaidou needs.
I always had the impression that a lot of villains represents a certain style of organization, villainy or whichever you wanna call it.
Like, Blackbeard is full out Pirate as you imagine it. Lawless, no honour, just win by any means, raid and take what you want.
Croc and Baroque were Mafia.
Doffy was the Underworld Overlord.
And so on. You get my drift.
Kaidou to me is the closest thing to a Tribal Chief. The ones you usually see as Orcs in fantasy like LotR for example, imagine Lurtz. At the top is the most powerful of them. Rule by strength. Hence the Oni references. Its pure savagery. Oppression not for politics or topics like race but solely that everyone else is weaker and deserve to be pounded.
He is a battlewhore too.
Its oppression at its rawest and most brutal form. Caveman logic you could argue. If you have the power to basically do as you like, Kaidou is the one who does whatever he wants cause he was the pinnacle.
I would say that is the worst kind of oppression. Its senseless might makes right but I also do think Kaidou perfected it because he was THAT mighty that next to nothing could stop him anyway.
Thats all Kaidou needs.
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I have mixed feelings about Wano. It was hyped as hell, but felt very underwhelming most of the time. I blame that on Oda spending too much time on uninteresting characters. I know that not giving us what we want can work sometimes, but not all the time, specially not in the most awaited arc ever, full of cool characters. And I was already irritated that he did that in Dressrossa. I remember being very pissed off with the chapters dedicated to the tontattas and the one that had people like Fujitora just pushing the birdcage.
As in for Kaido. Chapter 795 is still my favorite chapter ever. Kaido's introduction and his reveal were very impressive. I was very satisfied with the way he looked, and very relieved he wasn't a dwarf, like some people theorized. He looked menacing as hell. So when Wano finally came I was, at the same time, hyped that we were gonna see more of Kaido, but scared that his menacing aura could be diminished. I get the feeling that Oda wanted to show Kaido as a complex character, and ok, I am convinced that he is. But he needed more development, more screen time. I am happy that he was a true powerhouse, but, in the end, it just felt like there should have been more showcases of his personality, some more explanation on his devil fruit and so on. Oda had too much going on at the end of the arc and it felt rushed. How can an arc as long as that feel rushed? In my perception, it is because of the many boring chapters in the beginning.
So, in conclusion, do I hate Wano? No. But I can't disagree with anyone that does
As in for Kaido. Chapter 795 is still my favorite chapter ever. Kaido's introduction and his reveal were very impressive. I was very satisfied with the way he looked, and very relieved he wasn't a dwarf, like some people theorized. He looked menacing as hell. So when Wano finally came I was, at the same time, hyped that we were gonna see more of Kaido, but scared that his menacing aura could be diminished. I get the feeling that Oda wanted to show Kaido as a complex character, and ok, I am convinced that he is. But he needed more development, more screen time. I am happy that he was a true powerhouse, but, in the end, it just felt like there should have been more showcases of his personality, some more explanation on his devil fruit and so on. Oda had too much going on at the end of the arc and it felt rushed. How can an arc as long as that feel rushed? In my perception, it is because of the many boring chapters in the beginning.
So, in conclusion, do I hate Wano? No. But I can't disagree with anyone that does
I'm actually rewatching wano, alongside my friend. (Who's new to one piece and only anime dude)
And wano is actually pretty nice.
It's only worstgen, where things get shit or god tier good depending on agenda.
You will find people calling punk hazard good because vergo was there. But they will hate kaidou for being the stoic personality sometimes saying he had no personality. Just a strong brute.
And wano is actually pretty nice.
It's only worstgen, where things get shit or god tier good depending on agenda.
You will find people calling punk hazard good because vergo was there. But they will hate kaidou for being the stoic personality sometimes saying he had no personality. Just a strong brute.
