Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1168 Spoilers Discussion

What is the best Mark Twain quote ?

  • A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory

    Votes: 7 9.6%

  • It’s not the size of the dog in the fight; it’s the size of the fight in the dog

    Votes: 16 21.9%

  • People keep insisting there is an admiral code name. Sakazuki Akainu is just his name.

    Votes: 40 54.8%

  • The secret of getting ahead is getting started

    Votes: 10 13.7%

  • Get your facts first and then you can distort them as much as you please

    Votes: 12 16.4%
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MonochromeYoru

MonochromeYoru

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Paperchampion23 said:
Dragonball is not some immaculately edited, perfect story. Its chock full of holes and errors that even Toriyama has acknowledged lmao

There is a fucking wiki page on this
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i never said it was

that was WITH editor involvement. imagine how much worse it would be without them

Paperchampion23 said:
1. Torishima is a fucking asshole who hates anything post-Dragonball lol.
2. Torishima only edited the first half of Dragonball, to which is the point where people say the manga started to declining in quality after Frieza.
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at least he wasn't a yes man

Paperchampion23 said:
Im not defending Oda. Im giving context on the fact that he literally can castrate Shueisha if he wanted, which is why his editors are yes-men.
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yeah and it should be his job to tell the editors to provide criticism and create an environment where they are comfortable to do so.

Many of op's iconic stuff like the Shicibukai, Vivi, Super Nova etc etc were born from editor suggestions. So oda should know full well how valuable it is.

He can easily get creative input and criticism from editors if he wanted to. Instead he's smelling his own farts
 
Paperchampion23

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Unlimited Rulebook said:
Jump, yes. Crunchyroll and the internet, not really. Grok analysis, should be pretty accurate as it is just numbers:

Updated Direct Comparison: One Piece vs. NarutoBuilding on the previous analysis, I've incorporated the requested additions. The new column, Avg. Annual Sales (Japan, per Pub. Year), calculates the average annual Oricon-tracked sales in Japan divided by the number of years since the series' debut (One Piece: 1997; Naruto: 1999). This provides a normalized view of sustained performance over the publication lifespan, accounting for One Piece's longer run. Data is based on cumulative Japanese circulation divided by years elapsed (e.g., for One Piece through 2025: ~430M / 29 years ≈ 14.8M/year). Peak-era averages remain as before for contrast.For Internet Traffic Comparison, I've drawn from Google Trends data (2004-2025 worldwide) and SimilarWeb estimates (2025). Naruto leads in historical search volume (most-searched anime ever, per Google), driven by Western dominance and post-series longevity via Boruto. One Piece edges recent trends (2nd most-searched in 2025, with spikes from Netflix's live-action and Egghead arc) and shows stronger official site traffic (one-piece.com: 1.5M monthly visits, up 25% YoY). Naruto-related sites (e.g., fan wikis) aggregate higher (2M+ combined), but official channels lag due to series completion. Overall, Naruto's online footprint is broader but less "live"; One Piece's is surging with ongoing content.
Metric
One Piece
Naruto
Notes

Total Circulation (2025)
578M
250M
One Piece #1 all-time; Naruto #4.
Japan Circulation
430M (74%)
153M (~61%)
One Piece dominates home market.
International Circulation
148M (26%)
97M (~39%)
Naruto stronger in US/Europe.
Annual Peak (Japan)
38M (2011)
~8M (2010)
One Piece 4-5x higher.
Avg. Annual Sales (Japan, per Pub. Year)
~14.8M (430M / 29 yrs.)
~8.1M (153M / 19 yrs.)
Normalizes for lifespan; One Piece sustains higher avg. output.
Years as #1 in Japan
15 (incl. 2025)
0
Naruto peaked at #2 (2008-2014).
Avg. Annual Sales (Peak Era)
25M (2010-2012)
7M (2010-2014)
Anime boosts similar, but One Piece's scale larger.
Volumes Published
113
72
One Piece still adding ~4 vols./yr.
Post-Peak Trend
Stable at 5-10M; rebounding
~1-2M re-prints
One Piece benefits from ongoing status.
Internet Traffic (Google Trends, 2004-2025)
2nd most-searched anime; recent spikes (e.g., +30% in 2025 from live-action)
#1 most-searched ever; sustained Western peaks
Naruto's historical lead (2004-2023 avg. score: 85/100 vs. One Piece's 70); One Piece closing gap in 2024-2025.
Website Traffic (SimilarWeb, 2025 Monthly Visits)
one-piece.com: ~1.5M (65% organic search)
Naruto sites (aggregated): ~2M (fan-driven)

In summary, One Piece's superior averages per publication year underscore its remarkable consistency over nearly three decades, outpacing Naruto's shorter but intense run. Internet metrics highlight Naruto's enduring global search dominance.

This does not factor in Boruto as a continuation of Naruto.

Here is a combo analysis. TL;DR is Naruto/Boruto>One Piece for mindshare and anime, OP>Naruto/Boruto for manga sales alone:
One Piece vs Naruto (+ Boruto) – 2025 Key Figures

| Metric | One Piece | Naruto + Boruto |
|---------------------------------------|--------------------|--------------------|
| Total Circulation (million copies) | 578 | 275 |
| Japan Circulation (million) | 430 | 171 |
| International Circulation (million) | 148 | 104 |
| Annual Peak Japan sales (million) | 38 (2011) | 8 (2010) |
| Avg. Annual Sales per Pub. Year (M) | 14.8 (29 years) | 6.8 (26 years) |
| Years ranked #1 in Japan | 15 | 0 |
| Avg. Annual Sales Peak Era (M) | 25 (2010-12) | 7 (2010-14) |
| Total Volumes | 113 | 95 (72 + 23) |
| Current Annual Japan sales (M) | 5–10 | 1.5–3 |
| Google Trends Avg. Score (2004-2025) | 70 | 82 |
| Website Traffic Monthly (million) | 1.5 | 2.3 |
| Crunchyroll Views 2025 Annual (M) | 130 | 170 |
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Not sure I get the point of this comment lol. Shueisha makes most of their money through their manga sales. Anime generally is licensed and normally flows back to their manga sales.

What youve shown me here is Naruto/Boruto do not feedback to significant manga sales at all even when you compare it to One Piece's anime numbers.

All this tells me is the same point still stands.
 
Paperchampion23

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MonochromeYoru said:
i never said it was

that was WITH editor involvement. imagine how much worse it would be without them


at least he wasn't a yes man


yeah and it should be his job to tell the editors to provide criticism and create an environment where they are comfortable to do so.

Many of op's iconic stuff like the Shicibukai, Vivi, Super Nova etc etc were born from editor suggestions. So oda should know full well how valuable it is.

He can easily get creative input and criticism from editors if he wanted to. Instead he's smelling his own farts
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Ironically I argue that we need less of new concepts in this story from editors lol. Shichibukai and Supernova, while amazing additions, extended this manga's plot massively. Idk if Knights of God are Oda's thing or someone elses, but clearly its just elongating things more.

Yes, it was needed because conceptually Oda only really wanted to focus on Yonko/Marines/WG, but in the grand scheme of things we are only JUST NOW dealing with all of that and it took like 10 years to resolve 2 Yonko lol

Again, not defending Oda. Im aware if this shit. I was just providing an explanation to why it doesnt happen. If One Piece didnt sell well and Shueisha wasnt sucking then this would be a different story, he'd be edited up the ass to ensure popularity increased.
 
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