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Socialism only means one thing, an economic system with social ownership of the means of production. I don't wanna say it anymore 
Communism is just a term for socialism to the very extreme.
A socialist is supposed to mean they support socialism. All the other stuff you named is made up modern clownery.
Communism is just a term for socialism to the very extreme.
A socialist is supposed to mean they support socialism. All the other stuff you named is made up modern clownery.
Socialism only means one thing, an economic system with social ownership of the means of production. I don't wanna say it anymore
Communism is just a term for socialism to the very extreme.
A socialist is supposed to mean they support socialism. All the other stuff you named is made up modern clownery.
Communism is just a term for socialism to the very extreme.
A socialist is supposed to mean they support socialism. All the other stuff you named is made up modern clownery.
And there are different variations of socialism, like how there are different forms and interpretations of Marxism. Also different variations of liberalism for exampe. I do believe acknowledging these factual differentiations are quite important. Or you one of those shameful anti-intellectuals? Do you think Mars is real?
I'm not talking much lol.
Everything you just mentioned = For the fun of it and the social recognition.
I think your error is to believe that we will think the same about everything in socialism compared to capitalism. But no, our values won't be the same, the way we will see work too.
about that...
Question: What prevent you from being violent to someone else? Is it the law? Your ethics or rather.. the social stigma that come with it?
We are the product of systems. "Being nice" can be such product.
From the bottom > up.
Through the syndicalization and mutualization of society. The complete and mindfull unionization in business, with constant socialist political reforms and a constant revolutionary push. At the end, we might have to fight a little against the most angry capitalists, but not to the point of a radical revolution like some communism are dreaming of.
I believe in the positive organization of society from the bottom up rather that the big night. I'm not saying a big night is not necessary, but we are absolutely not ready for it just yet. It would be like stopping a wave with thousands of shovels against stopping it with a big and strong dig.
I'm still revolutionary. But I consider that a real and stable revolution is a work of patience rather than a big flash.
Everything you just mentioned = For the fun of it and the social recognition.
I think your error is to believe that we will think the same about everything in socialism compared to capitalism. But no, our values won't be the same, the way we will see work too.
about that...
Question: What prevent you from being violent to someone else? Is it the law? Your ethics or rather.. the social stigma that come with it?
We are the product of systems. "Being nice" can be such product.
From the bottom > up.
Through the syndicalization and mutualization of society. The complete and mindfull unionization in business, with constant socialist political reforms and a constant revolutionary push. At the end, we might have to fight a little against the most angry capitalists, but not to the point of a radical revolution like some communism are dreaming of.
I believe in the positive organization of society from the bottom up rather that the big night. I'm not saying a big night is not necessary, but we are absolutely not ready for it just yet. It would be like stopping a wave with thousands of shovels against stopping it with a big and strong dig.
I'm still revolutionary. But I consider that a real and stable revolution is a work of patience rather than a big flash.
Fair play. This way, you can cope with the "real socialism was never implemented" till the end of time any time a new socialist regime falls because a child's fantasyland is more likely to be true than this wish. You're not grounded in reality at all.
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Damn! Only if the murderers, rapists and terrorists knew what they were doing isn't nice! 😥
I wish it was the case... But I sadly am. Having hope for the future instead of believing in the fatality of an oppressive system is not an easy task.
I can't recall how many time I wished I was still a naive 14 yo that didn't know anything about our world. When you see the horrors of capitalism and imperialism, when you know how to fix them, but you don't have any power to do so. It destroys your soul.
Hope does not come on a silver plate.
Damn.. I love these movies so much...
I wish it was the case... But I sadly am. Having hope for the future instead of believing in the fatality of an oppressive system is not an easy task.
I can't recall how many time I wished I was still a naive 14 yo that didn't know anything about our world. When you see the horrors of capitalism and imperialism, when you know how to fix them, but you don't have any power to do so. It destroys your soul.
Hope does not come on a silver plate.
Damn.. I love these movies so much...
So gradual transition into a socialist society by uniting the people over time? In the US, half the country happily worship Trump and believe all issues are caused by minorities. They support a guy that said that educated people hate him, and that he loves the uneducated because they are easier to convince, which is why is he ran republican. How would you get them to disagree with his rhetoric and deal with division?
Yup. As long as there is a constant revolutionnary push behind. Of course, the goal is to get the best push possible. But the ideas must be radical.
I learned something very important this past few years: The best way to counter a bad rethoric is to create the conditions for said rethoric to disappear. In other words if Trump is fuelling himself on the uneducated, we must cut his oxygen and educate the population.
But the solution is not to target the uneducated (that was my mistake at first), the way to do it is to target the people who are more educated first but not really convinced.
Remember what I talked about in PM (the principle of Hubs and social threadshold) ? Well.. if we apply these principle to politics, we create a form of attraction toward the idea that we want to target: The more people we educate on the left, the more pressure there will be on the right.
It's easier, it's more efficient, it's just the better strategy. By focusing on people we can reach, we create more solid and stronger bonds and more potential radicalization on the edges.
The bigger and stronger the mass, the bigger the curvature and attraction.
In other words. The best way to convince a Trump voter, is to convince his entire family that he is wrong.
I learned something very important this past few years: The best way to counter a bad rethoric is to create the conditions for said rethoric to disappear. In other words if Trump is fuelling himself on the uneducated, we must cut his oxygen and educate the population.
But the solution is not to target the uneducated (that was my mistake at first), the way to do it is to target the people who are more educated first but not really convinced.
Remember what I talked about in PM (the principle of Hubs and social threadshold) ? Well.. if we apply these principle to politics, we create a form of attraction toward the idea that we want to target: The more people we educate on the left, the more pressure there will be on the right.
It's easier, it's more efficient, it's just the better strategy. By focusing on people we can reach, we create more solid and stronger bonds and more potential radicalization on the edges.
The bigger and stronger the mass, the bigger the curvature and attraction.
In other words. The best way to convince a Trump voter, is to convince his entire family that he is wrong.
Didn't you hear?
We're forming a new socialist planet. You will have a nice time in the gulag we send you to
We're forming a new socialist planet. You will have a nice time in the gulag we send you to
Sometimes I think yall could be manipulated into anything if they just say “ree commies” enough. From what I’ve seen in this thread though, some users like nameless are pretty pro mass jailing and killing of dissenters as long as they are the dirty commies (or as other users have shown, anyone and their mother that doesn’t say Maduro bad 25x at the start of every discussion so you’re a commie too). This “those are socialist outcomes” ignores that they’re also authoritarian outcomes, and at least in my country from talking to conservative capitalist supporters irl at work and such they are getting way more supportive of authoritarian actions, gleeful about suppressing dissent.
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Damn Peter Thiels international efforts to own yall are working
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This dude is still crying about me? Looks I really struck a nerve 
Who are you watching that shouted “REEE THEYRE ALL COMMIES” so much that you started shouting it at me?
The shoe fits. You can laugh that I’m talking about you, but you’re still at the mental equivalent of those hillbillies who fucked their mom from the x files. You can’t deny that you have shouted “REEE COMMIES” at me purely for not virtue signaling in every single comment.
Also still not actually replying, but replying to the void to no one like a pussy. Are you afraid that when people get notifications they might actually ask you to clarify why they’re a dirty red commie or whatever for not prefacing everything with “Maduro is bad so we need to be optimistic ❤️?” But I thought you loved going “REEE YOU CSNT HOLD TWO IDEAS, YOU NEED TO VIRTUE SIGNAL 24/7 OR YOU SEE THE WORLD BLACK AND WHITE” like bro if I’m making a post about the possible future of USA involvement I don’t need to say “RAH RAH THEYRE NOT AS BAD” every sentence.
Again, the only thing that got me labeled socialist by you was one post where I didn’t say “Maduro bad Maduro bad” in every sentence and your mind was made up. You are as smart as those inbred hillbillies from the x files that were fucking their mom
If you’d like I can even chime in to call you a dumbass easily led parrot and a massive pussy every time you post for the rest of the time you post in this thread? It can be a tradition of sorts. I’m a petty guy like that, sure. If I’m a le evil socialist dictator lover cause you say so, I might as well be a nagging asshole for my own amusement too. You get to keep going “REEE YOU LOVE MADURO REEE” and I get to keep calling you a pussy and sub-80 iq
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No that’s what I’m saying. You calling me a socialist dictator lover once means I’m happy being petty and constantly bringing up how this forum is populated by a pussy with a TBI who can’t read every time you post or even if you don’t, even unprompted. Especially if you respond to no one. I don’t care if you respond with emojis, I think it’s pertinent that any post you make regardless of context people in this thread don’t make the mistake of thinking a non-braindead non-pussy left it.
Take a chill pill guy. I’m allowed to “rape my keyboard” every day of my life to call you a pussy and an invalid and to remind everyone that some people in the thread have a habit of replying to no one when people bring up how they’re a pussy who makes discussing anything useless because they shout red scare slogans when people don’t virtue signal for them. It’s just words.
The only way this thread can go anywhere is if people know you aren’t worth speaking to if you expect good faith and not a bush era “REEE YOU LIKE THE TALIBAN” rant
I’m an evil socialist dictator lover you should expect this from me. Dastardly ain’t it
It’s like how once nameless started ranting about how some people need to be killed, people remember it. Now to me at least you’re “the HUAC guy”
Take a chill pill guy. I’m allowed to “rape my keyboard” every day of my life to call you a pussy and an invalid and to remind everyone that some people in the thread have a habit of replying to no one when people bring up how they’re a pussy who makes discussing anything useless because they shout red scare slogans when people don’t virtue signal for them. It’s just words.
The only way this thread can go anywhere is if people know you aren’t worth speaking to if you expect good faith and not a bush era “REEE YOU LIKE THE TALIBAN” rant
I’m an evil socialist dictator lover you should expect this from me. Dastardly ain’t it
It’s like how once nameless started ranting about how some people need to be killed, people remember it. Now to me at least you’re “the HUAC guy”
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