Controversial When did One Piece jump the shark?
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Oden's flashback, with him submitting so stupidly to Orochi and Kaido and him doing this stupid cringe naked dance was one of the turning points for Wano, and Op as a whole, starting to go really downhill. Onigashima raid with how shitty BM's treatment and use was, Yamato and her super-cringe "I am Oden" gimmick, and the Nika BS cemented it for me.
The series really became irreversibly pretentious, self indulgent around this point.
There are still very many things I love about OP even post TS and recently too but the series has become a victim of its own success and ambitions too. Too big for its boots, too much cargo for the ship or something idk.
Although tbh I actually feel killing off Ace, the whole Luffy solo saga, Boa turning into gigantic Luffy simp after all her amazing writing before, the Sabaody incident and the timeskip especially Sanjis part of it were extremely jump the shark moments too.
But nothing beats the Gear 5 bullshit retcon and Oden too. An ireversible damage and stain on the series.
Completely agree with you btw despite my tangents and rambling ofc lol.
There are still very many things I love about OP even post TS and recently too but the series has become a victim of its own success and ambitions too. Too big for its boots, too much cargo for the ship or something idk.
Although tbh I actually feel killing off Ace, the whole Luffy solo saga, Boa turning into gigantic Luffy simp after all her amazing writing before, the Sabaody incident and the timeskip especially Sanjis part of it were extremely jump the shark moments too.
But nothing beats the Gear 5 bullshit retcon and Oden too. An ireversible damage and stain on the series.
Completely agree with you btw despite my tangents and rambling ofc lol.
I found Boa actually interesting if bratty before she fell so madly and hopelessly in love with Luffy. Her being reduced to an extreme Luffy simp ruined the character's appeal to me.
I didn't really have anything against Ace dying, aside from how stupidly he got himself killed wasted his brother, adopted father and comrades' sacrifices to save him over a Dad insult. I just hoped that Luffy's character would finally mature and progress, but of course it didn't stick and he actually became worse after the ts.
I didn't really have anything against Ace dying, aside from how stupidly he got himself killed wasted his brother, adopted father and comrades' sacrifices to save him over a Dad insult. I just hoped that Luffy's character would finally mature and progress, but of course it didn't stick and he actually became worse after the ts.
I feel like we got glimpses of it far before it went completely downhill (e.g.: Dressrosa), but it nosedived back in WCI imo. We had some good stints after it (e.g.: Levely, Egghead), but most of it has been third-rate (the average looks pretty bad when you consider that most of it was Wano).
Elbaf is going alright though, but I fear for the final war.
Elbaf is going alright though, but I fear for the final war.
I had never seen an antagonist and female fighter being treated as horribly Big Mom was during Wano arc, and that's saying a lot, knowing how bad she was treated in the second half of WCI with this wedding cake chase and having seen other Shonen being terrible with their female characters.
I forgive Oda even less about it knowing just how much potential she had as a fighter with her titanic physical abilities, haki plus devil fruit that is one of the most powerful and versatile in all of One Piece, and decades of experience.
I forgive Oda even less about it knowing just how much potential she had as a fighter with her titanic physical abilities, haki plus devil fruit that is one of the most powerful and versatile in all of One Piece, and decades of experience.
The journey to find the Fishman Island was still good and genuine One Piece greatness imo. But since the start of the Hody Jones conflict, it already dropped in story quality. Too much unnecessary plot dragging for the sake of drama.
Imo the reintroduction of Law, the lore of Punk Hazard, Tenka Ichi Budokai in Dressrosa was also displayed One Piece's superior quality. But when involving the core battle against Doflamingo, suddenly the plot drags on and on, the arc and battle also bloated meaninglessly.
For Luffy, Oda wrote quantity over quality. Oda slap Luffy in so many dragging chapters eclipsing others, but none of his character highlight or development feel meaningful in long-term. His powers were also obsolete once each arc was over.
For other chars, shenanigans. For the core conflicts, many offscreen and switching perspective. For Luffy's final arc boss battle, character and plot inconsistencies (are you having fun, Kaidou? Lol), dragging the fight until the powers become meaningless, give the final clash of ultimate moves itself 3-4 chapters without accomplishing anything lol.
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Yeah imo One Piece will be much better if Oda doesn't try to focus on the quantity (characters, plot points, subplot points, conflicts and schemes, battles). Currently, all those are cluttered, dragging, not earned, no satisying payoffs.
Even when the characters keep increasing in quality, Oda should better be more focused on handling fewer but higher-quality aspects of his work (core plot points, core lore, core characters, core conflicts, core schemes, core battles). Choose quality over quantity at the core, the rest can be just wide and generic decoration.
Imo the reintroduction of Law, the lore of Punk Hazard, Tenka Ichi Budokai in Dressrosa was also displayed One Piece's superior quality. But when involving the core battle against Doflamingo, suddenly the plot drags on and on, the arc and battle also bloated meaninglessly.
For Luffy, Oda wrote quantity over quality. Oda slap Luffy in so many dragging chapters eclipsing others, but none of his character highlight or development feel meaningful in long-term. His powers were also obsolete once each arc was over.
For other chars, shenanigans. For the core conflicts, many offscreen and switching perspective. For Luffy's final arc boss battle, character and plot inconsistencies (are you having fun, Kaidou? Lol), dragging the fight until the powers become meaningless, give the final clash of ultimate moves itself 3-4 chapters without accomplishing anything lol.
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Yeah imo One Piece will be much better if Oda doesn't try to focus on the quantity (characters, plot points, subplot points, conflicts and schemes, battles). Currently, all those are cluttered, dragging, not earned, no satisying payoffs.
Even when the characters keep increasing in quality, Oda should better be more focused on handling fewer but higher-quality aspects of his work (core plot points, core lore, core characters, core conflicts, core schemes, core battles). Choose quality over quantity at the core, the rest can be just wide and generic decoration.
Only development left for them thats necessary is strength and that can happen naturally throughout the story doesn't need to be a major focus point
When it cones to back stories and origins we pretty much already know what we need to know
The story isn't called strawhats its called one piece the story of one piece the world oda has been building for nearly 30 years is more than just the misadventures of one crew
It's a story about greed, corruption and fierce ambitions, a story about hopelessness and the light of hope that shatters it
While we follow the strawhats on this journey, at the end of the day this isn't their story, they're story is just being told as part of a grander whole
When it cones to back stories and origins we pretty much already know what we need to know
The story isn't called strawhats its called one piece the story of one piece the world oda has been building for nearly 30 years is more than just the misadventures of one crew
It's a story about greed, corruption and fierce ambitions, a story about hopelessness and the light of hope that shatters it
While we follow the strawhats on this journey, at the end of the day this isn't their story, they're story is just being told as part of a grander whole
Character development, even small one, is something that should never stop as long as the characters are here. This lack of character development, and even flanderization and regression is one of my biggest disappointments with the timeskip and since. It's especially glaring in Usopp's case since Dressrosa.
And Oda hasn't done a good job with their strength progression either. It's just a stupid waste that Robin hadn't learned haki during her time with the RA, and the Middle and Weak Trio's glaring absence of Haki learning (save for Usopp for Observation, but it's far from enough) is another grave example of that.
And Oda hasn't done a good job with their strength progression either. It's just a stupid waste that Robin hadn't learned haki during her time with the RA, and the Middle and Weak Trio's glaring absence of Haki learning (save for Usopp for Observation, but it's far from enough) is another grave example of that.