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[PuckTheGreat]

Some of y'all make it obvious your views and opinions are heavily informed by noise.

Y'all are frauds that can't stand on your own reading of the facts.

It's why so many of you dickheads in this thread still buy into narratives that suggest daylight between Zoro and Sanji and downplays the latter's opponents.

You bitches lack confidence in your capacity. Disgusting.

Mazafooker!
Ur goofy ass is the one advocating for Sanji v Sommers lol
What is this confidence you speak of?

Also I’ve been seeing ur treachery in the Luffy v Zoro & Sanji thread
Mans ouchea saying ‘Luffy solos both in base’ and the like ya know

Again what is this confidence you speak of?

 

[HA001]

Civil war

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

can we get a new poll this has been the poll for like a year lol

 

[Rumble]

Mazafooker!
Ur goofy ass is the one advocating for Sanji v Sommers lol
What is this confidence you speak of?

Pointing out the obvious thing that will happen is not advocating for it.

Also I’ve been seeing ur treachery in the Luffy v Zoro & Sanji thread
Mans ouchea saying ‘Luffy solos both in base’ and the like ya know

That's FACTUAL, you degenerate.

 

[Jackteo]

Then there is the fact that the holy knights have not really covered themselves in glory with their performances so far.

Old Gaban v Sommers - two-tapped by Gaban
Rayleigh v Sommers - one-tapped by Rayleigh
Young Newgate v Maffey - one-tapped by Newgate
Xebec v Fraud of God Valley - one-tapped by Xebec

They’ve been treated by fodder by every remotely strong character so far and only time they’ve been able to strut their stuff has been against characters much weaker than them.

But then these are the guys that Zoro & Sanji are supposed to be struggling with? In an arc where Gaban is telling them to raise the standard?

Old Gaban may have stamina issues and be weaker than prime Gaban but he is still stronger than Sanji, Zoro and Sommers. Both Gaban and Rayleigh are top tier, although among the weakest of them, and they both sneak-attacked Sommers before any serious confrontation.

Rayleigh run away so there wasn't even a fight afterwards. Old Gaban took on a one-harmed and shocked Sommers, and the guy just wanted to be done with it quickly so to rescue his kid.

Maffey once again was doing something else and WB hit her by chance. She was fine right after.

Garling faced the strongest pirate we have ever seen. I think he should be excused for his poor (?) performance.


Zoro and Sanji have yet to reach Old Gaban level so Sommers and Killingham are strong enough to be a challenge and force them to unlock/hone their ACoC.

 

[Raiden7]

Again there is nothing wrong with Sommers as a character or an antagonist even and the jobber title is not exclusive to him and applies to all of the Holy Knights. The problem here is the standard most hold for Zoro & Sanji.

For one, Sommers & the Holy Knights rank smack in the middle amongst Imu’s ranked Soldiers and are not exactly top executives. Zoro & Sanji typically fight top executives. Of course there’s nothing wrong with both fighting them if the argument is that the standard for Imu’s subordinates is high & Luffy fights a Gorosei but Luffy is gonna be fighting Imu so Zoro & Sanji fighting Imu’s second string is not really an attractive proposition.

Then there is the fact that the holy knights have not really covered themselves in glory with their performances so far.

Old Gaban v Sommers - two-tapped by Gaban
Rayleigh v Sommers - one-tapped by Rayleigh
Young Newgate v Maffey - one-tapped by Newgate
Xebec v Fraud of God Valley - one-tapped by Xebec

They’ve been treated by fodder by every remotely strong character so far and only time they’ve been able to strut their stuff has been against characters much weaker than them.

But then these are the guys that Zoro & Sanji are supposed to be struggling with? In an arc where Gaban is telling them to raise the standard? And Luffy’s gonna be soaring to even greater heights?

The fact is that those guys can get a power up thanks to IMU any time. So Oda is able to rise their power level as much as he likes (of course they can't be powerful as the one they take more power).

But I understand the general opinion on the whole "holy jobbers" thing, when you already see them getting wrecked so much, it takes out a lot of tension.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Pointing out the obvious thing that will happen is not advocating for it.

Fair but you might as well be if you're expecting an uphill battle for Sanji against Sommers

That's FACTUAL, you degenerate.

You gotta introduce me to your weed dealer coz the man is packing some heat
Luffy is never beating Zoro and Sanji in a 2 v 1 much less in base form lol

 

[Doggo]

Civil war

 

[Julius]

But then these are the guys that Zoro & Sanji are supposed to be struggling with?

Perhaps they don't even struggle because they are inferior in every aspect, it might flow between not coating the attacks with enough haki and being handicapped by hax or tricky abilities and situations such as hostages being involved (like in Gaban's case), that turns things more interesting and not just pure strength related.

 

[Doggo]

I dont like lumping zoro and sanji together vs the holy knights because their current status are very different.

Zoro already has ACoC. it's a matter of mastering it. So he ALREADY could hurt Killingham.

Sanji doesn't even have CoC yet. He simply can't hurt Sommers at all, currently.
It's weird.

 

[HA001]

I dont like lumping zoro and sanji together vs the holy knights because their current status are very different.

Zoro already has ACoC. it's a matter of mastering it. So he ALREADY could hurt Killingham.

Sanji doesn't even have CoC yet. He simply can't hurt Sommers at all, currently.
It's weird.

Gaban is there to give sanji haki knots.

 

[Doggo]

Gaban is there to give sanji haki knots.

 

[Welkin]

I dont like lumping zoro and sanji together vs the holy knights because their current status are very different.

Zoro already has ACoC. it's a matter of mastering it. So he ALREADY could hurt Killingham.

Sanji doesn't even have CoC yet. He simply can't hurt Sommers at all, currently.
It's weird.

Just about how I feel. Well similar anyway

That's honestly why I think there's a chance Zoro might not fight Killingham at all. Dorry or Brogy will serve as a tool to help him further master his CoC and hone it to skysplitting/whatever levels

Sommers is a tool for Sanji to awaken CoC period

 

[Jackteo]

I give up, it is pointless to ignore how current events are unfolding. Even though Domi Reversi Sanji would have been perfect to end the Germa/Sora plotline with a climax, we are not there yet. When the time comes Evil Sanji will arise.

Sanji vs Sommers is what we are getting on Elbaf. Sanji has just met Nami and she wants to save the kidnapped children. Robin is next to her and she wants them to focus on the kids (not to mention she is wrapped in Sommers' thorns). Gaban wants to go where Colon is. It is done.
Best case scenario: Nami goes with Sanji and Gaban, and Nami getting tortured will be the reason Sanji unlocks CoC. This would also cement SaNa.

Am I disappointed? A bit, foolishly and for the umpteenth time in more than a decade I was expecting much more from CL³⁰oda. Am I hyped? Of course I am, Sommers is amazing

Are you hyped?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Gaban is there to give sanji haki knots.

Gaban isn’t even there

 

[HA001]

Gaban isn’t even there

Neither is sanji

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I dont like lumping zoro and sanji together vs the holy knights because their current status are very different.

Zoro already has ACoC. it's a matter of mastering it. So he ALREADY could hurt Killingham.

Sanji doesn't even have CoC yet. He simply can't hurt Sommers at all, currently.
It's weird.

I see what you're saying but rest assured Sanji will be able to hurt Sommers. Sanji's outchea destoying lazers with kicks he will be fine.
There's a reason why Oda went out of his way to introduce and setup PoL as this ability that is able to allow Sanji to do the unthinkable on Egghead (i.e. Out of the M3 Sanji had the most impressive performance against the Serpahim which Oda used as a means to highlight PoL and even made him flex on Kizaru having him destroy a bloody lazer to again highlight PoL which is a pretty unqiue way of writing Sanji in comparison to those two even though it wasn't really a main arc where he rarely gets many combat feats). All that is left is for him to give us an explanation on what exactly that ability is and what Sanji is really able to do with by harnessing it. Whether the ability by itself will be able to hurt immortals or be a means by which Sanji is able to draw out his CoC is not really that important. Key I think with regards to Sanji going forward is Oda establishing PoL last arc when he honestly did not really need to. Take out Sanji's PoL from Egghead and it wouldn't have really changed anything with regards to the flow of the arc. Oda could have had him have a filler fight against the Serpahim like he did with Luffy and Zoro without neccesarily having him look so dominant and could've had him save Bonney with speed alone.

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Gaban is there to give sanji haki knots.

Keep racking up those Ls mate, we'll be able to build a nice little tower with it after we done with this arc.

Even if you cannot stomach anything good for Sanji's character for whatever reason sometimes it might just be best to shut up, ignore it and just focus on carresing your grandmasters testicles like you always do, will save you from constantly taking Ls and having to move the goal post every single time you take an L from one of these brain dead takes.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I see what you're saying but rest assured Sanji will be able to hurt Sommers. Sanji's outchea destoying lazers with kicks he will be fine.
There's a reason why Oda went out of his way to introduce and setup PoL as this ability that is able to allow Sanji to do the unthinkable on Egghead (i.e. Out of the M3 Sanji had the most impressive performance against the Serpahim which Oda used as a means to highlight PoL and even made him flex on Kizaru having him destroy a bloody lazer to again highlight PoL which is a pretty unqiue way of writing Sanji in comparison to those two even though it wasn't really a main arc where he rarely gets many combat feats). All that is left is for him to give us an explanation on what exactly that ability is and what Sanji is really able to do with by harnessing it. Whether the ability by itself will be able to hurt immortals or be a means by which Sanji is able to draw out his CoC is not really that important. Key I think with regards to Sanji going forward is Oda establishing PoL last arc when he honestly did not really need to. Take out Sanji's PoL from Egghead and it wouldn't have really changed anything with regards to the flow of the arc. Oda could have had him have a filler fight against the Serpahim like he did with Luffy and Zoro without neccesarily having him look so dominant and could've had him save Bonney with speed alone.

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Keep racking up those Ls mate, we'll be able to build a nice little tower with it after we done with this arc.

Even if you cannot stomach anything good for Sanji's character for whatever reason sometimes it might just be best to shut up, ignore it and just focus on carresing your grandmasters testicles like you always do, will save you from constantly taking Ls and having to move the goal post every single time you take an L from one of these brain dead takes.

I think he might not be able to hurt Sommers for a bit as Oda does that trope a couple times with his opponents. Iirc the only opponents who's asses he could kick from the start were Kuroobi and Absalom

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I think he might not be able to hurt Sommers for a bit as Oda does that trope a couple times with his opponents. Iirc the only opponents who's asses he could kick from the start were Kuroobi and Absalom

Nope.
He could beaten Bentham much easier but for the Nami gimmic.
He was able to get through Jyabura's tekkai with his base kicks, Diable Jambe simply allowed Sanji to be able to sacrifice him and like with his all his fights there was of course the robin gimmic to distract him and have Jyabura get some cheap hits in.
He was able to hurt Queen even without Ifrit. Ifrit and the germa powerup simply allowed Sanji to be able to sacrifice his ass and again like it is with Sanji's fight there was the germa gimmic to make the fight more difficult for him.

Sanji will be able to hurt Sommers but as it with most of Sanji's matchups Sommers will most likely play dirty in some way to prevent him from getting steamrolled.


Also I just thought of something dope.
@Doggo @Jackteo might not quite be evil Sanji lol but chances are that this comes to fruition this arc.
Sommers (scumbag that hits women) + children that need saving so we know Nami will be involved + god relation etc
We might end up eating pretty good this arc boys

youtube_link

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Nope.
He could beaten Bentham much easier but for the Nami gimmic.
He was able to get through Jyabura's tekkai with his base kicks, Diable Jambe simply allowed Sanji to be able to sacrifice him and like with his all his fights there was of course the robin gimmic to distract him and have Jyabura get some cheap hits in.
He was able to hurt Queen even without Ifrit. Ifrit and the germa powerup simply allowed Sanji to be able to sacrifice his ass and again like it is with Sanji's fight there was the germa gimmic to make the fight more difficult for him.

Sanji will be able to hurt Sommers but as it with most of Sanji's matchups Sommers will most likely play dirty in some way to prevent him from getting steamrolled.


Also I just thought of something dope.
@Doggo @Jackteo might not quite be evil Sanji lol but chances are that this comes to fruition this arc.
Sommers (scumbag that hits women) + children that need saving so we know Nami will be involved + god relation etc
We might end up eating pretty good this arc boys

youtube_link

I'm a little ashamed I forgot that since I've been working on a thread with one of the main points being that Sanji is nerfed almost as much as Zoro is in most of his fights lol
But still, he typically gets handicapped or needs a power up to win, and I think Sommers will probably need a power up to win since the regen requires very specific measures to bypass.
Even if it's PoL that allows him to bypass it (and assuming that's not just Conq Haki but reworded similar to Mantra being CoO) I don't believe Sanji can use that power whenever he wants yet. It might be like Zoro having ACoA since Alabasta but only being able to use it with specific techniques.
It's a small difference but my point is I don't think he'll be able to hurt Sommers from the start, or at least not as much as he'll need in order to win, and he'll improve his abilities over the course of their fight until he can win easily.