Powers & Abilities New Goalpost for Zoro?
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Debating Kata vs King is waste of time.
Post WCI, Kata ~> Luffy
Post Udon Training, Luffy > Katakuri
Rooftop itself, Zoro ~ Luffy.
And king is superior to these two over here.
Both of them got AdCoC.
King ~ Zoro AdCoC ~ Luffy AdCoC >> Katakuri.
It was king of hell version which beat King, katakuri is not even in thr scale right now lol.
On top of that, Weak shit haki from luffy and Snakesman on top of that. Snakesman cuts out on strength and increases speed.
Katakuri is like a glass here given current zoro AP. And King attacks. Jackpot literally clowns him.
Post WCI, Kata ~> Luffy
Post Udon Training, Luffy > Katakuri
Rooftop itself, Zoro ~ Luffy.
And king is superior to these two over here.
Both of them got AdCoC.
King ~ Zoro AdCoC ~ Luffy AdCoC >> Katakuri.
It was king of hell version which beat King, katakuri is not even in thr scale right now lol.
On top of that, Weak shit haki from luffy and Snakesman on top of that. Snakesman cuts out on strength and increases speed.
Katakuri is like a glass here given current zoro AP. And King attacks. Jackpot literally clowns him.
You don't even need to go as far as rooftop Zoro ~ rooftop Luffy, even though that is likely true.
Rooftop Zoro is undeniably considerably stronger than pre Udon Luffy, even most Zoro haters would agree on it, that is all that's needed.
Outcome of Zoro vs Katakuri barely changes, rooftop or post Wano. Post Wano Zoro would one shot him, while rooftop Zoro would need 2-3 hits (unless it's Asura or 3000 worlds).
It all comes down to landing an attack on Katakuri.
If Katakuri somehow has a counter to dragon twister's AOE, he loses after a slugfest lasting hours. Else he gets packed up in minutes, by rooftop or post Wano Zoro.
Rooftop Zoro is undeniably considerably stronger than pre Udon Luffy, even most Zoro haters would agree on it, that is all that's needed.
Outcome of Zoro vs Katakuri barely changes, rooftop or post Wano. Post Wano Zoro would one shot him, while rooftop Zoro would need 2-3 hits (unless it's Asura or 3000 worlds).
It all comes down to landing an attack on Katakuri.
If Katakuri somehow has a counter to dragon twister's AOE, he loses after a slugfest lasting hours. Else he gets packed up in minutes, by rooftop or post Wano Zoro.
What the fuck am I even reading? Kaido started comparing Rooftop Luffy to Roger, Whitebeard and Rocks.
Yamato for 20 years with ACoC couldn't break the cuffs that Luffy break with CoA alone
Yamato for 20 years with ACoC couldn't break the cuffs that Luffy break with CoA alone
Kaido after Zoro scarred him: "a shame, we could've conquered the world together"
Yamato cuff scene is just skill issue (internal destruction armament), nothing to do with power level. Yamato would pack up rooftop Luffy.
If Zoro fought Katakuri instead of King under a timelimit like he had post roof, he would lose very badly since not even KoH would solve much for him. The only way to beat Katakuri for Zoro is to tire him out so his physical reactions + FS start wavering, and then land that big attack, maybe Tatsumaki.
Zoro would need to asspull learn Future Sight if he wanted any hopes of beating a fresh Katakuri in like an odd few minutes. He's not touching Katakuri at full stamina. It would take hours to get to a point where Katakuri allows a deadly attack to land.
To be fair though King was also pretty retarded and just gave Zoro the win, he could have easily just let Zoro kill himself had he kept his flames on but his ego got the better of him. He didn't want to outlast him but overpower him instead.
Zoro would need to asspull learn Future Sight if he wanted any hopes of beating a fresh Katakuri in like an odd few minutes. He's not touching Katakuri at full stamina. It would take hours to get to a point where Katakuri allows a deadly attack to land.
To be fair though King was also pretty retarded and just gave Zoro the win, he could have easily just let Zoro kill himself had he kept his flames on but his ego got the better of him. He didn't want to outlast him but overpower him instead.
In some ways Sanji has it easier: Flight and mobility to avoid awakening control on the ground,
Zoro struggles here since the mochi will constantly get his footing.
In other ways Zoro has it easier: Tatsumaki.
This move is ten times a more effective counter to Katakuri than anything Sanji has. The only thing is a fresh Katakuri would see it coming just like he didn't let Luffy power up to G4, but if the fight drags on he can't keep it from coming out forever.
It's debatable who has the bigger advantage. I think it's having tatsumaki, but the environment turning into mochi around you, slowing you or straight up trapping you is a nightmare to deal with for a grounded fighter.
Zoro struggles here since the mochi will constantly get his footing.
In other ways Zoro has it easier: Tatsumaki.
This move is ten times a more effective counter to Katakuri than anything Sanji has. The only thing is a fresh Katakuri would see it coming just like he didn't let Luffy power up to G4, but if the fight drags on he can't keep it from coming out forever.
It's debatable who has the bigger advantage. I think it's having tatsumaki, but the environment turning into mochi around you, slowing you or straight up trapping you is a nightmare to deal with for a grounded fighter.
Funny thing is Zoro reached 2 Emperors and fought them better than anyone else while people thought he never fought a Yonko commander tier because the last guy he fought was Pica and then it turned out that Pica was above most people in YC tier.
Same thing with top tiers, people claim the same as you without realising Zoro's top tier fight is already behind him. King is stronger than any Admiral and this will be revealed in WG war when King returns to aid Nika and claps Aramaki.
Same thing with top tiers, people claim the same as you without realising Zoro's top tier fight is already behind him. King is stronger than any Admiral and this will be revealed in WG war when King returns to aid Nika and claps Aramaki.
Wrong, Kaido acknowledged Luffy as the first one in a long while who could go toe-to-toe with him.
Zoro did NOT go toe-to-toe with Kaido, he did far better than that, he bested him in each encounter.
You will see that King is stronger than all Admirals soon enough, he is Luffy's main Lunarian ally in the WG war.
Zoro did NOT go toe-to-toe with Kaido, he did far better than that, he bested him in each encounter.
You will see that King is stronger than all Admirals soon enough, he is Luffy's main Lunarian ally in the WG war.
Zoro has been a low top tier since post wano. He's on par with the old gen like Rayleigh. He is likely yonko/admirals level when using koh and asura together but he's clearly been put ahead of high tiers. His only draw back is his strongest form has a time limit. This adcoc argument has always been dumb as in the very arc he unlocked it he was using it proficiently. Never really get trying to dehype zoro when the author of the story loves to wank him. It'd be like trying to dehype shanks constantly.
