Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[PuckTheGreat]

Best case we get some DR Sanji content. Realistically it's going to be Sanji confronting Sommers and tapping into POL/COC. Worst case, we get another Egghead with a bunch of clashes and running around.

Chances are that PoL/CoC are going to be related in someway, or maybe it's an alternative type of willpower utilization like has been speculated on here but what if PoL is it's own special ability that is able to hurt immortals and not necessarily CoC would you still be okay with that?

- Best case scenario
Supreme King haki awakening. Some interactions with Gunko. Fight and beat Sommers then 2vs2 with Zoro against Dori and Brogi. Domi Reversi/Evil Sanji or Domi Reversi Zoro. Reverse of what happened in Wano. This time is Sanji that will deflect (for a second) Dori and Brogi combined attack.

- Realistic expectation
Supreme King haki awakening. Fight with Sommers.

- Worst case scenario
No 1vs1. Only some clash with Killingham monsters or giants domi reversed or something like that.

If Sanji doesn't awaken CoC but utilizes something completely different like PoL (i.e. assuming it is different but not CoC) but beats Sommers, reckon it'd be dissapointing but would that be passable?

Best case: Sanji unlocks CoC and wins against either Sommers or Killingham
Realistic: some clashes here and there, an extended fight versus a HK without clear win (because both keep regenerating), someone interferes to finish the fight
Worst case: Sanji gets beaten by Gunko and does nothing

Edit: actually, I have one more worst case scenario for me - Sanji gets DR'd and low diffed by Zoro.

Your realistic scenario is pretty pessimistic

If any of your worst case scenarios happen don't think some of us are going to survive it

*Not gonna lie I'm surprised all 3 of you think there's a possibility for just clashes and not fights coz personally I think there is a zero chance of that happening so didn't even cross my mind lol


My expectation are as follows:
Best Case Scenario:
- PoL turns out to be a special application of willpower (exclusive to the Buccaneers) that is similar but different from CoC and proper exposition into what exactly the ability is and what it can do
- Devil Transformation and Amaterasu type flames that can't be be put out through normal means (potentially as a result of PoL).
- Fights and defeats a Gorosei (i.e Mars)

Realistic Scenario
- Awakens CoC and or more exposition on PoL
- Obliterates Sommers and or tag team with Zoro .vs Dorry/Broggy with proper conclusion
- SHs and Loki v Domi Reversi Luffy

Worst Case Scenario
- Oda shafts PoL for whatever reason and we get no exposition on it
- .vs Sommers is a tag team of sorts at any point in the fight (i.e. Gaban haki knots nonense is retarded so bun that but although unlikely I can see Sanji along with some SHs going after Sommers together - mofos got nothing to do atm lol)
- Sanji struggles against Sommers without any type of nerf in the form of a hostage
- Gets wrecked by Imuko or any sort of gonner behavior directed at Imuko only bcoz of the atrocities Imu has commited on Elbaf and it isn't the place for it (i.e don't mind him gooning Gunko (not Imuko) lol that's expected to a degree )

 

[Raiden7]

If Sanji doesn't awaken CoC but utilizes something completely different like PoL (i.e. assuming it is different but not CoC) but beats Sommers, reckon it'd be dissapointing but would that be passable?

Personally I would be super dissapointed, but still passable. But it's something like a tier above worst case scenario, so it's positive but not that positivie.

 

[Doggo]

Deflecting. I dont even know who ricardo is.

Then why were you even arguing with me?
Lmao

 

[HA001]

Then why were you even arguing with me?
Lmao

For the love of the game.

 

[Welkin]

That’s a very interesting question actually

So for me it looks something like this

Best Case Scenario: CoC and PoL are connected and it serves as fuel for Sanji’s haki (double-edged sword since it can also effect his haki negatively like it did against Black Maria), defeats Sommers which leads to his death either at Sanji’s hands (feet) or Imu’s for his failure, saves some people, goes on to defeat Dorry or Brogy

Realistic Scenario: Sanji awakens CoC but the PoL has nothing to do with it, he defeats Sommers but doesn’t get to kill him nor does he get killed by Imu, protects the children afterwards

Worst Case Scenario: DR Sanji. I feel like a parrot at this point cause I keep repeating it but it’s the one thing that I really don’t want to happen cause it feels redundant and corny

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Just outta curiosity with Dark Knight Sanji bugging out 💀 what would y'all say are your expectations for Sanji this arc (with regards to power ups/opponents or both):
- Best case scenario (what you're hoping for)
- Realistic expectation (what you actually think will happen)
- Worst case scenario (what would disappoint you)

Worst Case -
Sanji fights Sommers (I would actively prefer Sanji fight no one just because I don’t find Sommers at all intimidating). And I even like goofy sadistic characters. Sommers is just so incredibly lame. It’s like wanting someone to fight Caesar Clown

Sanji gets DRed. It just feels so redundant to the story cause we just had germa Sanji. I get the evidence for it, I’m not even going to deny it’s possible but I just don’t like it personally.

Realistic -
Sanji fights Brogy
Sanji gets DRed but frees himself using PoL which has nothing to do with CoC

Best case -
Sanji awakens CoC. I think it’s certainly possible oda doesn’t do it and just says Sanjis unique PoL can damage immortals but I still think Sanji as a character should have basic CoC

 

[Hiragaro]

Best case scenario (what you're hoping for)

Sanji gets DR, but breaks out of it with CoC, shocking Imu! If Imu himself shows up, Sanji gonna send him flying. Then Goofy and Loki take over and Sanji goes hunting HK‘s. After that he teaches Dorry and/or Brogy some table manners!

- Realistic expectation (what you actually think will happen)

Sanji unlocks CoC and fights a HK, most likely Sommers.

- Worst case scenario (what would disappoint you)

Wano 2.0 running around and no fight.

 

[MegaSpider]

Sanji not arriving this chapter despite kids falling and women getting stabbed, and Nami very likely telling him to go save the kids, does seem odd. He definitely sensed all this happening. Maybe he saw the future and knew Loki would save them?
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Right now his position on the map would put him closest to Killingham who was at the library.

Thinking about it, Sanji's fears have been a focus in the manga, whether it is his fear of bugs (highlighted again beginning of this arc), the Okama (gag purposes), or most importantly his Germa self.

Killingham actually does fit as an opponent for Sanji. It's just a shame he's gotten so little focus compared to Sommers & Gunko.

 

[Raiden7]

Sanji not arriving this chapter despite kids falling and women getting stabbed, and Nami very likely telling him to go save the kids, does seem odd. He definitely sensed all this happening. Maybe he saw the future and knew Loki would save them?
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Right now his position on the map would put him closest to Killingham who was at the library.

Thinking about it, Sanji's fears have been a focus in the manga, whether it is his fear of bugs (highlighted again beginning of this arc), the Okama (gag purposes), or most importantly his Germa self.

Killingham actually does fit as an opponent for Sanji. It's just a shame he's gotten so little focus compared to Sommers & Gunko.

The usual bait and switch is on the table. I don't want to exclude it either.

 

[Rumble]

Some of y'all make me sick.

The ONLY acceptable reason for wanting Sanji to get DR'd is so he can overcome/defy Imu through love.

 

[Royal Kick]

Best case scenario: Evil Sanji with black hair appears, he overcomes DR with CoC and gets black flames, PoL explained, then he defeats Brogy and possibly Sommers.

Realistic scenario: He just gets ACoC in a bland way, with nothing really crazy happening and no conclusive 1v1.

Worst case scenario: He doesn't even get basic CoC, nor does he get to take down a big threat.

 

[Welkin]

Overcoming DR with CoC isn’t an option lol I don’t know why people keep saying this

If CoC could overcome DR then Rocks wouldn’t be susceptible to it and Harald would’ve been able to break his pact with Imu

I know we’re all big fans of Sanji here but let’s not be deluded. If they couldn’t do it then there’s no way current Sanji with freshly awakened conqueror’s haki could

The PoL would be the only possible explanation for him breaking out of DR that even makes a lick of sense

Not a fan of DR happening at all but that’s the only logical conclusion

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Overcoming DR with CoC isn’t an option lol I don’t know why people keep saying this

If CoC could overcome DR then Rocks wouldn’t be susceptible to it and Harald would’ve been able to break his pact with Imu

I know we’re all big fans of Sanji here but let’s not be deluded. If they couldn’t do it then there’s no way current Sanji with freshly awakened conqueror’s haki could

The PoL would be the only possible explanation for him breaking out of DR that even makes a lick of sense

Not a fan of DR happening at all but that’s the only logical conclusion

No way anyone should be expecting Sanji to show better CoC than xebec.

 

[MegaSpider]

Oda needs to explain what Power of Love is already. Same with Sanji's flames.

 

[Royal Kick]

Overcoming DR with CoC isn’t an option lol I don’t know why people keep saying this

If CoC could overcome DR then Rocks wouldn’t be susceptible to it and Harald would’ve been able to break his pact with Imu

I know we’re all big fans of Sanji here but let’s not be deluded. If they couldn’t do it then there’s no way current Sanji with freshly awakened conqueror’s haki could

The PoL would be the only possible explanation for him breaking out of DR that even makes a lick of sense

Not a fan of DR happening at all but that’s the only logical conclusion

I did say "best case scenario", not "realistic scenario". But to clarify what I meant, I don't think CoC alone could allow him to overcome DR, it's the combination of CoC and PoL that could do the trick. In that scenario, Sanji can already use PoL at will through his flames and he'd combine it with ACoC. That's what black flames would represent.

Harald's example is a false equivalence, he was bound by a contract and that wasn't DR. As for Rocks, it doesn't really matter that he couldn't break free of Imu's control because this has nothing to do with power levels, just like Sanji being the only one able to deflect Kizaru's laser doesn't mean he's stronger than any character who can't do it. It just means having the very unique ability to combine a buccaneer-only power with ACoC.

But, like I said, I don't consider that scenario realistic.

 

[Devilbat]

Your realistic scenario is pretty pessimistic

If any of your worst case scenarios happen don't think some of us are going to survive it

*Not gonna lie I'm surprised all 3 of you think there's a possibility for just clashes and not fights coz personally I think there is a zero chance of that happening so didn't even cross my mind lol

Well, by now I'm really used to Sanji getting a short end of a stick compared to Zoro. Both in Egghead and in WCI Sanji didn't get a dedicated satisfying 1vs1 battle. Although, Zoro imo didn't shine much in Egghead either, if anything, Sanji's short clashes looked cooler than off-paneled Lucci fight. But WCI was Sanji's arc! Year of Sanji! And he didn't even get FS which thematically fits him really very well.


In a way, I just don't let myself to ride a hype wave, I would love Sanji to fight HK and unlock CoC this arc, but knowing Oda's tendencies to downplay Sanji compared to Zoro, Luffy and key allies on the island, I set my expectations very low. Sanji's primary role in SHP isn't being a fighter, it's just that he's crazy strong and is considered Luffy's left hand basically.

Thanks for the question btw, I was relieved to see that there are some many people like myself against DR Sanji!

Sanji not arriving this chapter despite kids falling and women getting stabbed, and Nami very likely telling him to go save the kids, does seem odd. He definitely sensed all this happening. Maybe he saw the future and knew Loki would save them?
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Right now his position on the map would put him closest to Killingham who was at the library.

Thinking about it, Sanji's fears have been a focus in the manga, whether it is his fear of bugs (highlighted again beginning of this arc), the Okama (gag purposes), or most importantly his Germa self.

Killingham actually does fit as an opponent for Sanji. It's just a shame he's gotten so little focus compared to Sommers & Gunko.

Yeah, I agree, the more I think of it, the more Killingham seems like a more suitable match for Sanji. If Sanji had witnessed how horrible Sommers is towards women, he'd be all fired up to demolish him. But Sanji is not there, so even though thematically Sommers is very anti-Sanji, right now their fight doesn't make much sense. I'd rather have Loki stomp the creep and be done with him, Sommers is so despicable that I don't want to see him much anymore (again, good job Oda for making me feel again).

 

[Raiden7]

Some of y'all make me sick.

The ONLY acceptable reason for wanting Sanji to get DR'd is so he can overcome/defy Imu through love.

Domi Reversi Sanji could be a way to unlock Black Hair Sanji which, personally, I view as a Sanji new power up through a "transformation".

How cool would be a reverse super sayan transformation that will bring out a more vicious, violent and angry version of Sanji?

Of course he should have still control on this "transformation" while sometime maybe he will lose it, giving more flavour to his character and power up.

 

[MegaSpider]

I think the crew will have their hands full with Domi reverse Dorry/Brogy & either Dr Loki or just Imu. Plus 2 HK and Nightmare army. We don't have enough allies to fight Sanji too.
Plus there might be that rule u can only get DR on the island you are born.

 

[Royal Kick]

Domi Reversi Sanji could be a way to unlock Black Hair Sanji which, personally, I view as a Sanji new power up through a "transformation".

How cool would be a reverse super sayan transformation that will bring out a more vicious, violent and angry version of Sanji?

Of course he should have still control on this "transformation" while sometime maybe he will lose it, giving more flavour to his character and power up.

You think it could be a recurring thing? Interesting. I thought of it as a one time thing, but if it becomes a PU he could activate and deactivate at will, I'm not really comfortable with the idea of him losing himself regularly and having to struggle with his evil side. I feel like it'd be spitting on Sora's legacy and partially validating his father's views.

Like, I'd be fine with him becoming a little colder and bloodthirsty in black hair mode, but I'd want him to stay in control and fully retain his emotions.

 

[Jackteo]

- Best case scenario (what you're hoping for)

Imu forces a HK contract upon Sanji, Gunko is too weak as a vessel. Holy Knight Sanji possessed by Imu vs everyone else. Sanji kicks Imu out of his mind but manages to keep the HK powers. Sanji new bounty: the highest in the crew, Only Dead.

At some point in the future Sanji uses the Abyss to travel to Marijoa, perhaps to save Vivi or Luffy himself.

- Realistic expectation (what you actually think will happen)

Sanji vs Sommers.
Sommers tortures/hits Nami and Sanji unlocks CoC.
Sanji kills Sommers.

- Worst case scenario (what would disappoint you)

Any scenario that ends without Sanji unlocking ACoC. Luffy and Loki killing Sommers and/or Kilingham would be quite disappointing too.