Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love
Fuck all that, respectfully.
After Oda fumbled Sanji vs Kizaru in Egghead, i feel like everything has to be doubted, even if the implications are all over the place...
But this time it feels different.. now we know there is a left hand, Sanji is that guy, Sanji was lacking that kind of clout even if he had the feats and the narrative backing him up for so long. This is the equivalent of Shanks admitting Mihawk is stronger than him, you can't just ignore that shit.. Some of the chapters in Elbaph felt like they were written by Sanji fanboys, literal fanfics we would see here in the forum during the Wano days
So if Oda somehow fumbles with Sanji this arc, i might honestly drop it because it will be the ultimate confirmation Oda is not trying anymore and is not a good writer. I mean, if he can't back up the shit he writes anymore, why should we trust his potential to end this story in a good way?
Fortunately i only have good feelings about this arc, i think for the first time in a long time Oda will surpass my expectations, and possibly yours, considerably.
But this time it feels different.. now we know there is a left hand, Sanji is that guy, Sanji was lacking that kind of clout even if he had the feats and the narrative backing him up for so long. This is the equivalent of Shanks admitting Mihawk is stronger than him, you can't just ignore that shit.. Some of the chapters in Elbaph felt like they were written by Sanji fanboys, literal fanfics we would see here in the forum during the Wano days
So if Oda somehow fumbles with Sanji this arc, i might honestly drop it because it will be the ultimate confirmation Oda is not trying anymore and is not a good writer. I mean, if he can't back up the shit he writes anymore, why should we trust his potential to end this story in a good way?
Fortunately i only have good feelings about this arc, i think for the first time in a long time Oda will surpass my expectations, and possibly yours, considerably.
Mostly not awakening Conqueror's and using Conquerors coating. Obviously there are levels to fumble, it could fumble a lot or just a little bit.
My expectations are that Sanji gets properly hyped, gets proper recognition by allies and enemies, gets shit explained (his flames and flame resistance mentioned in SBS, his change of behaviour whenever his eyebrows flip, power of love and its possible ties to Haki), don't get offscreened or partakes in fake hype/cheap cliffhangers and perhaps steals the whole show for a brief moment.
(that last part could be just wishful thinking, it isn't a must honestly)
My expectations are that Sanji gets properly hyped, gets proper recognition by allies and enemies, gets shit explained (his flames and flame resistance mentioned in SBS, his change of behaviour whenever his eyebrows flip, power of love and its possible ties to Haki), don't get offscreened or partakes in fake hype/cheap cliffhangers and perhaps steals the whole show for a brief moment.
(that last part could be just wishful thinking, it isn't a must honestly)
I'd say part of that is unrealistic given Oda's usual pacing ngl
I don't think his flames or flame resistance will be fully explained until closer to the end of the story (possibly the final arc depending on the source of them)
Properly hyped is subjective as well so I couldn't really speak on that. Some people view proper hype for him this arc as defeating Dorry/Brogy and if he doesn't do that then they'd be underwhelmed. Not saying that's you but it's an example ygm
The conqueror's part I'd say is fairly realistic though
I don't think his flames or flame resistance will be fully explained until closer to the end of the story (possibly the final arc depending on the source of them)
Properly hyped is subjective as well so I couldn't really speak on that. Some people view proper hype for him this arc as defeating Dorry/Brogy and if he doesn't do that then they'd be underwhelmed. Not saying that's you but it's an example ygm
The conqueror's part I'd say is fairly realistic though
Don't really understand the Black Maria bit, didn't Sanji simply drop his guard coz he didn't want to hurt her? Or are you speaking from the standpoint of PoL is OP, so we have to give it a bit of a nerf to cap it? 
Also by CoC and PoL being connected and serving as fuel, do you mean both being the same ting/similar so we get a Haki amp of sorts for Sanji?
Think this is where Rumble is at as well (@Rumble correct me if I'm wrong if you can be arsed :p), with PoL being a sort of plus alpha layer on top of CoC. And honestly given PoL is hinted at as being a Buccaneer ability I think this is very plasible tbh.
Zoro has Enma for example which is like an amplifier for his Haki and there were also hints about him having a lot of volume CoC wise with his conversation with Gaban, so maybe Oda is going to go the CoC plus Alpha route with the M3.
Also the Sommers getting killed by Imu route is not as spicy as the Amaterasu theory :p but realistic tbf.
Tbf I'm of the same mind and only open to it if it serves as some sorta catalyst for a potential devil transformation for Sanji.
But tbh, just humoring the possibilty for a moment, if PoL was the reason why Sanji was able to stop his heart from turning cold like his brothers even though his germa genes awakened coz we still haven't gotten an explanation of that. I think it's plausible that Sanji overcomes Imu's wickedness with PoL even if he gets domi-reversied and from the standpoint of overcoming domi-reversei, I reckon you could make an argument that PoL was introduced on Egghead for that very purpose and not neccessarily to serve as CoC alternative (which is a bit forced tbf lol but still). Only thing is I'm not convinced that Oda is going to give Sanji that much focus this arc but we'll see. Other than that I'm not really intrerested in the whole evil Sanji plot line nor Evil Sanji with Imu's buffs v Zoro coz we are finished if that ever happens.
Also by CoC and PoL being connected and serving as fuel, do you mean both being the same ting/similar so we get a Haki amp of sorts for Sanji?
Think this is where Rumble is at as well (@Rumble correct me if I'm wrong if you can be arsed :p), with PoL being a sort of plus alpha layer on top of CoC. And honestly given PoL is hinted at as being a Buccaneer ability I think this is very plasible tbh.
Zoro has Enma for example which is like an amplifier for his Haki and there were also hints about him having a lot of volume CoC wise with his conversation with Gaban, so maybe Oda is going to go the CoC plus Alpha route with the M3.
Also the Sommers getting killed by Imu route is not as spicy as the Amaterasu theory :p but realistic tbf.
Tbf I'm of the same mind and only open to it if it serves as some sorta catalyst for a potential devil transformation for Sanji.
But tbh, just humoring the possibilty for a moment, if PoL was the reason why Sanji was able to stop his heart from turning cold like his brothers even though his germa genes awakened coz we still haven't gotten an explanation of that. I think it's plausible that Sanji overcomes Imu's wickedness with PoL even if he gets domi-reversied and from the standpoint of overcoming domi-reversei, I reckon you could make an argument that PoL was introduced on Egghead for that very purpose and not neccessarily to serve as CoC alternative (which is a bit forced tbf lol but still). Only thing is I'm not convinced that Oda is going to give Sanji that much focus this arc but we'll see. Other than that I'm not really intrerested in the whole evil Sanji plot line nor Evil Sanji with Imu's buffs v Zoro coz we are finished if that ever happens.
More than anything else, I think Domni reverse is really confusing to me story wise. Either Oda didn´t think about it at all, or all of the GV 6 could have just been domni reversed by Imu at any moment....
It´s possible Oda just regretted that he never had Doffy make Luffy fight a SHP, so he wanted to do it with Imu, but I feel like it might be a bit much for this arc. Though Sanji getting DR´ed could be kind of fun.
It´s possible Oda just regretted that he never had Doffy make Luffy fight a SHP, so he wanted to do it with Imu, but I feel like it might be a bit much for this arc. Though Sanji getting DR´ed could be kind of fun.
Don't really understand the Black Maria bit, didn't Sanji simply drop his guard coz he didn't want to hurt her? Or are you speaking from the standpoint of PoL is OP, so we have to give it a bit of a nerf to cap it?
The way it's worded in the officials it seems like regardless of whether it stems from the PoL or whatever he either straight up couldn't use armament or his armament was weaker because he didn't want to risk hurting her
I think PoL will serve as something like a haki amp for Sanji and it could be argued that he's always had it. It aligns perfectly with Sanji's haki being uniquely attuned to anything involving women. For example, the lady radar that he's had for hundreds of chapters at this point
PoL would exist as an explanation for his conqueror's being so potent out of the gate and could also explain him coating his attacks with it so quickly
Yeah those are pretty much my thoughts on it as well. I don't think the PoL will be a complete stand alone thing for Sanji. It might be for other characters (like Kuma maybe) but not for Sanji specifically
Obviously I'd prefer that Sanji gets to do it himself but knowing Oda it's highly unlikely that he'd let a Strawhat of all people finish the job completely
I just think the idea of that being like an entire plot line is so incredibly corny. And I know a lot of Sanji fans want DR Sanji for completely different reasons don't get me wrong
Some people want it because they've been yearning for a serious Sanji vs Zoro matchup since their rivalry began. Not realizing that it wouldn't be a legitimate fight because Sanji would essentially be a slave and Zoro wouldn't really want to kill him in the first place
Others just like the idea of getting a dark and evil Sanji that hits women and uses his hands. Never really saw the appeal for something like that it just sounds far too edgy for my tastes. It makes me think of characters like Sasuke and that's never been my favorite character archetype
Others want it for the drama but this is neither the time nor the place for it imo. Not to mention it feels pretty pointless considering everything we already got in Wano. The conversation they had served to strengthen their dynamic and steel Sanji's will going into the final battle. Don't know why we need Zoro vs Sanji with both of them turning into crying messes for the plot line to be considered "complete"
Sanji using the PoL to overcome Domi Reversi would be cool but also completely pointless because it's not like it's some unforeseen counter that our allies can now exploit. Sanji along with like 2-3 other characters maybe could utilize it so there's no reason for that to occur. It would be a cool scene but what would be the point besides "oh cool it doesn't work on 1 guy"
This should be the only case scenario if this author wasnt a fraud:-
In a chilling display of authority, Imu uses the "Domi Reversi" ability on Sanji, triggering an instantaneous metamorphosis. Sanji’s hair shifts to a void-like black and his eyes lose their spark as he becomes Stealth Black—not through a suit, but as a cold, biological evolution. Imu watches with dark curiosity, pondering if Sanji can finally handle "That Power" now that he is unburdened by a heart. Sanji enters a mindless rampage, moving with such localized velocity that he creates a vacuum, collapsing the surrounding area. Zoro is forced to intercept him to fulfill his duty, but he quickly realizes this is not the rival he knows. Because the "Domi Reversi" has allowed Stealth Black to fully take over, the mental barriers restraining Sanji’s latent Haki shatter; Sanji begins leaking thick, black streaks of Advanced Conqueror’s Haki (ACoC). Zoro finds himself unable to overpower Sanji, as the combination of Germa's physical hax and the raw, unrestrained King’s Haki creates an ironclad defense that cuts through Zoro's own techniques.
When Usopp attempts a desperate distraction, Sanji’s predatory focus shifts toward Nami and the others. Imu seizes the moment, commanding the hollowed-out cook to erase the Straw Hats. Just as Sanji is about to strike Nami, we see a flashback to a conversation with Scopper Gaban. Gaban explains that Sanji is a house divided: two distinct personalities, Stealth Black and Black Leg, exist within him. He reveals that while the Stealth Black persona is a born conqueror, the Black Leg persona is not—and that to truly wield the Color of the Supreme King as himself, Sanji must unite these two warring halves. Gaban speaks of the "Will of Romance"—the primordial force the Ancient Kingdom used to physically alter the world through emotion. This is the same power that birthed Devil Fruits and hybrid species. He notes that most humans explode if they consume two fruits because they lack the internal harmony to host two conflicting souls; only the "Power of Love" allows a being to bridge that chaos and unite their fragmented selves.
Inside the confines of his mind, Sanji faces the manifestation of Stealth Black. The ego-less soldier mocks Sanji’s "Black Leg" persona as a weakness, gloating that only the cold, heartless version of Sanji is capable of wielding the King's Haki. Instead of retreating, Sanji uses the Power of Love to dominate the persona, refusing to let the conqueror be separate from the man. He forces the Germa shadow to kneel, melding their strengths into one singular, sovereign will. In the physical world, black tendrils of lightning burst forth as Sanji’s leg stops inches from Nami’s face. His voice returns, steady and fierce: "Even if I die, I will never kick a woman."
Imu is visibly shaken, a fractured memory of Nefertari Lily flashing through their mind. "NOT ANOTHER ONE!" Imu screams, recognizing the same rebellious, unified spark. Sanji doesn't hesitate; he turns his fury toward Sommers, who is lunging at Robin. With his two halves finally acting as one, Sanji unleashes a surge of his own perfected ACoC, vaporizing Sommers' vines and revealing a new, terrifying flame mode: CHARON JAMBE: MOUTON STRIKE, one-shotting the enemy in a display of absolute peak power.
In a chilling display of authority, Imu uses the "Domi Reversi" ability on Sanji, triggering an instantaneous metamorphosis. Sanji’s hair shifts to a void-like black and his eyes lose their spark as he becomes Stealth Black—not through a suit, but as a cold, biological evolution. Imu watches with dark curiosity, pondering if Sanji can finally handle "That Power" now that he is unburdened by a heart. Sanji enters a mindless rampage, moving with such localized velocity that he creates a vacuum, collapsing the surrounding area. Zoro is forced to intercept him to fulfill his duty, but he quickly realizes this is not the rival he knows. Because the "Domi Reversi" has allowed Stealth Black to fully take over, the mental barriers restraining Sanji’s latent Haki shatter; Sanji begins leaking thick, black streaks of Advanced Conqueror’s Haki (ACoC). Zoro finds himself unable to overpower Sanji, as the combination of Germa's physical hax and the raw, unrestrained King’s Haki creates an ironclad defense that cuts through Zoro's own techniques.
When Usopp attempts a desperate distraction, Sanji’s predatory focus shifts toward Nami and the others. Imu seizes the moment, commanding the hollowed-out cook to erase the Straw Hats. Just as Sanji is about to strike Nami, we see a flashback to a conversation with Scopper Gaban. Gaban explains that Sanji is a house divided: two distinct personalities, Stealth Black and Black Leg, exist within him. He reveals that while the Stealth Black persona is a born conqueror, the Black Leg persona is not—and that to truly wield the Color of the Supreme King as himself, Sanji must unite these two warring halves. Gaban speaks of the "Will of Romance"—the primordial force the Ancient Kingdom used to physically alter the world through emotion. This is the same power that birthed Devil Fruits and hybrid species. He notes that most humans explode if they consume two fruits because they lack the internal harmony to host two conflicting souls; only the "Power of Love" allows a being to bridge that chaos and unite their fragmented selves.
Inside the confines of his mind, Sanji faces the manifestation of Stealth Black. The ego-less soldier mocks Sanji’s "Black Leg" persona as a weakness, gloating that only the cold, heartless version of Sanji is capable of wielding the King's Haki. Instead of retreating, Sanji uses the Power of Love to dominate the persona, refusing to let the conqueror be separate from the man. He forces the Germa shadow to kneel, melding their strengths into one singular, sovereign will. In the physical world, black tendrils of lightning burst forth as Sanji’s leg stops inches from Nami’s face. His voice returns, steady and fierce: "Even if I die, I will never kick a woman."
Imu is visibly shaken, a fractured memory of Nefertari Lily flashing through their mind. "NOT ANOTHER ONE!" Imu screams, recognizing the same rebellious, unified spark. Sanji doesn't hesitate; he turns his fury toward Sommers, who is lunging at Robin. With his two halves finally acting as one, Sanji unleashes a surge of his own perfected ACoC, vaporizing Sommers' vines and revealing a new, terrifying flame mode: CHARON JAMBE: MOUTON STRIKE, one-shotting the enemy in a display of absolute peak power.
Because Doffy was introduced making Bellamy and his crewmates fight eachother, did so again at Marineford, and made Dressrosa soldiers kill their own people. This created speculation that the main gimmick of Doffy would be making Luffy fight Strawhats, and notably, This is similar to how Imu treats the Davys, Rocks and Giants on Elbaf.
Luffy isn´t a real person...lol? I´m aware that Oda made a choice where the strawhats would not be controlled by Doflamingo, which is why I mentioned he created a more hax character with similar puppet master abilities, that doesn´t seem to be something the victim can resist.
Luffy isn´t a real person...lol? I´m aware that Oda made a choice where the strawhats would not be controlled by Doflamingo, which is why I mentioned he created a more hax character with similar puppet master abilities, that doesn´t seem to be something the victim can resist.
No I mean it literally lol
The way it's worded in the officials it seems like regardless of whether it stems from the PoL or whatever he either straight up couldn't use armament or his armament was weaker because he didn't want to risk hurting her
I think PoL will serve as something like a haki amp for Sanji and it could be argued that he's always had it. It aligns perfectly with Sanji's haki being uniquely attuned to anything involving women. For example, the lady radar that he's had for hundreds of chapters at this point
PoL would exist as an explanation for his conqueror's being so potent out of the gate and could also explain him coating his attacks with it so quickly
Yeah those are pretty much my thoughts on it as well. I don't think the PoL will be a complete stand alone thing for Sanji. It might be for other characters (like Kuma maybe) but not for Sanji specifically
Obviously I'd prefer that Sanji gets to do it himself but knowing Oda it's highly unlikely that he'd let a Strawhat of all people finish the job completely
The way it's worded in the officials it seems like regardless of whether it stems from the PoL or whatever he either straight up couldn't use armament or his armament was weaker because he didn't want to risk hurting her
I think PoL will serve as something like a haki amp for Sanji and it could be argued that he's always had it. It aligns perfectly with Sanji's haki being uniquely attuned to anything involving women. For example, the lady radar that he's had for hundreds of chapters at this point
PoL would exist as an explanation for his conqueror's being so potent out of the gate and could also explain him coating his attacks with it so quickly
Yeah those are pretty much my thoughts on it as well. I don't think the PoL will be a complete stand alone thing for Sanji. It might be for other characters (like Kuma maybe) but not for Sanji specifically
Obviously I'd prefer that Sanji gets to do it himself but knowing Oda it's highly unlikely that he'd let a Strawhat of all people finish the job completely
- Sanji is a modified human with Lunarian-like abilities, so it wouldn't be out of place if he were to awaken an ability exclusive to the Buccaneers. Moreover, PoL was highighted with both Sanji and Kuma on Eggghead and only those 2 so there is an argument for it imo
- Oda's gone a pretty unique route with Sanji's strength development post-ts (i.e. as opposed to outirght haki development, Oda's gone the gene modification route with Sanji, significantly improving his base with haki particulalry armament being more supplementary than primary for example) so chances are that as opposed taking a step back and putting haki in the forefront, it continues to be somewhat supplementary.
- Sanji's character development - I touched on this on a prior post with regards to PoL potentianlly being an alternate version of CoC (i..e an application of willpower that is similar but yet disticnt) but will reiterate Sanji is more of a "protector" (selfless) type like let's say a Kuma than he is a "conqueror" (somewhat selfish) like Big Mom for example and yes I know you can make the case that not every conqueror is like that. WB, Shanks are some examples of that but Sanji's backstory and the messaging from that really stands out to me in his case. Sanji is the antithesis of Judge who is war monger who believes that it is okay to trample on the weak. So I wonder if that is in the back of Oda's mind with regards to how he might choose to develop Sanji
- Kuma who is one of the most powerful Shichibukai, probably the strongest after Mihawk isn't a confirmed CoC user but can seemingly utilize PoL.
With regards to PoL overcoming domi-reversi, I don't think it'd be pointless, there's been a lot of emphasis on love and referecences to it post-ts (Rumble has pointed that out several times in this thread) and it's really stood out over the last few arcs, so if Oda wants to establish "love" as a very formidable ability in line with the themes of the arc then from a narrative stand point it makes sense imo. Moreover, if Sanji getting domi-reversied is going to somehow be a catalyst for his strength development by let's say allowing him to voluntarily tap into a demon transformation of sorts then it'd make sense from a developmen-stand point for Sanji. Also ironically speaking the argument you are making against PoL being an exclusive ability can be applied to CoC as the same applies to it as well (i.e. currently only characters than can use CoC coating can hurt immortals)
