Powers & Abilities Oda Cares About Powerscaling, Retcon Dorry, Broggy and Croc?

[Blazing Lion]

There are few situations where we can compare pre TS to post TS and get an idea of how Oda wants to portray certain individuals. And while bounty scaling is not perfect it does give a general idea specially when it is said to present a power level (over a billion bounty etc.). And this just shows that Oda had plans for characters that he introduced earlier and now wants to bring back because they were taking out of story much earlier.

So this is the comparison that popped up (probably done by others earlier too)
Pre TS
Croc - 81 Mil (Robin had 79 mil and Mr.1 had 75 mil - I dont know when his bounty was given or updated though)
Boa - 80 Mil
Dorry/Broggy - 100 Mil

Post TS (post Wano/Retcon)
Croc - 1,965 Mil
Boa - 1,659 Mil
Dorry/Broggy - 1,800 Mil

The jump in bounties is very high specially when compared to YCs (which has led to stupid power scaling debates). And compared to other Warlords like Doffy (whose defeat gave Law and Luffy 500 mil each) or Jinbe who got 1,100 mil the increase in Boa and Croc is much higher. Oda found a way of increasing the bounties for the Warlords as new bounties/unfrozen and for the giants because of inflation adjustment.

Now the question is that in pre TS/Alabasta Croc seemed much stronger than the giant duo even though they had a higher bounty. For readers at that point the 81 mil bounty of Croc was pretty high considering Luffy had 30 mil. Defeating Croc though gave Luffy a bounty of 100 mil. But now Croc has a bounty which is 10% higher than the giants.

Do you think the difference in power levels would be the same or Croc is even much stronger than the giants compared to the pre TS portrayal?

@nik87 @Shimotsuki Fenaker @mly90 @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Veku @Welkin @grey matter @Xione etc.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It was always obvious that he cares about powerscaling, it's just not his priority.
Also, Croc vs one of those Giants is an extreme diff either way, imo.

 

[WaidoWSC]

Well we should ask ourselves why Kaido had the highest bounty, despite sitting 20 years in an Isolated country,

While “gawd Tier Loki“ was roaming 8 years on the sea and has a significantly less bounty.

Maybe the explanation: The WG has it lower for the reason, for what he did to Harald. To hide his true power.

Also is weird that Loki has a connection to BM and Shanks and not Kaido himself, despite almost being the same lol

 

[Blazing Lion]

Well we should ask ourselves why Kaido had the highest bounty, despite sitting 20 years in an Isolated country,

While “gawd Tier Loki“ was roaming 8 years on the sea and has a significantly less bounty.

Maybe the explanation: The WG has it lower for the reason, for what he did to Harald. To hide his true power.

Also is weird that Loki has a connection to BM and Shanks and not Kaido himself, despite almost being the same lol

But the WG dont know that it was Loki that killed Harald.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

But the WG dont know that it was Loki that killed Harald.

Also, Kaido has:
Territory
A large crew
Lots of experience as a pirate, decades worth of it actually
Etc.

 

[WaidoWSC]

But the WG dont know that it was Loki that killed Harald.

That‘s correct. Thanks

 

[Blazing Lion]

It was always obvious that he cares about powerscaling, it's just not his priority.
Also, Croc vs one of those Giants is an extreme diff either way, imo.

I didnt get that feeling in pre TS tbh, the strength of giants was either hidden or not properly portrayed, I mean Croc seemed broken at that point.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Oda adjust powerscaling as the series progress

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I didnt get that feeling in pre TS tbh, the strength of giants was either hidden or not properly portrayed, I mean Croc seemed broken at that point.

I meant currently. But when it comes to their pre-ts selves, assuming the two use water or their blood they're probably slamming Croc. Mid diff at most imo

 

[BigAmmi]

Oda cares, sometimes, about powerscaling, we have examples in the manga, but his writing ability about these aspects (power, abilities, haki ecc) is dogshit

So yes, sometimes he cares, but he doesn't know how to manage them properly and the result is...

 

[Xione]

- Oda in SBS said, had Crocodile's bounty not been frozen and the WG knew about Baroque workers it wouldve been 200-300 mil range. He's now considered an entity on par with Mihawk, as the poster put him and Dracule side by side...just as Buggy is considered Dracule's superior or equal due to the poster. Its not a retcon, its simply a gimmick bounty. But of course Crocodile fans think he's excempt from the gimmick boost from association with Dracule. His best feats are still from Alabasta.

- Dorry and Broggy didnt get a bounty update since over 100 years. People leave out the fact they have been ruthlessly fighting each other for that long, thus there would also be a growth in strength for them, as they're in prime years now compared to when they started. Moments of fodder damaging top tiers who dont hax or insane skin durability is abundant pre-TS. Especially when they're fighting each other, already weakened and damaged.. lol

-> Boa Hancock was 18 when she was given that bounty and her first bounty at that. Luffy's first bounty was 30 mil, after his first major event. Zoro 60 mil, after multiple events. Sanji first bounty 77 mil, after multiple events. Boa received a bounty of 81 mil at 18 after her first major event, where the WG is stated to have feared her power.. Shes now 30+, its not a retcon its her growth in strength.

 

[Salah WG]

Nothing was Retconed,
When you say Power Scaling was Retconed, it either means placements of Characters changed or their Powers were changed, neither happened.

Only thing that changes is how much effort Oda gives or bothers to relay to his Readers how Powerful Someone truly is, and He only needs what's enough for that particular period, nothing more,

When Someone is vastly superior than most others, there comes a level where the exact difference becomes irrelevant, for example if Zoro attacks some Fodder with a simple basic Swing and cut them in half, or use his Strongest Asura Attack, wd it make any difference? Not at all, result is same and that fodder can't grasp the difference between the two attacks, nor wd you as a reader.

So Oda will reveal more of his Characters Power and get closer to their actual Level the more the Story in that particular moment is ready to grasp it, this is why Mihawk for example told Zoro to know the world first,

It's the world that is scaling and progressing, requiring characters to renew their Portrayal, but their actual worth never changed since day 1.

After Kaidou/Big Mom Saga, where Warlords and Admirals were mostly absent, and mostly Commanders received focus, what did Oda do? He started updating Portrayal of those two, it's not a retcon, it's simply renewal and reminder of who they are,

In less than 100 Chapters, Crocodile, Ace, Kuma, Hancock, Jinbe, Moria, Kuzan, Kizaru, Blackbeard, Enel, Dorry/Brogy, Garp/Rayleigh ... etc all received new Hype and Refresher to not forget where They stand, and there still more to come, and expect same for Magellan, Doffy, Akainu, Sengoku ... etc

People shd learn to differentiate between world building (which includes power levels) and storytelling (how the Story is told and how it's fed to us).

 

[Buusatan94]

Oda caring about power scaling? That's a good one.

 

[nik87]

I think the power relations remained the same between those characters.
Dorry and Brogy were always strong and Croc had the edge over them.

 

[DenifClock]

Well we should ask ourselves why Kaido had the highest bounty, despite sitting 20 years in an Isolated country,

While “gawd Tier Loki“ was roaming 8 years on the sea and has a significantly less bounty.

Maybe the explanation: The WG has it lower for the reason, for what he did to Harald. To hide his true power.

Also is weird that Loki has a connection to BM and Shanks and not Kaido himself, despite almost being the same lol

Kaido was not sitting 20 years on Wano. When Ace visited Onigashima, he couldn't find Kaido because he was on expeditions.
Therefore it's obvious that Kaido wasn't staying there all the time

 

[Roo]

He cares about powerscaling because his manga is a battle shonen

when people say he doesn’t care about powerscaling they mean to the extent the fandom does

 

[soupongo]

Dorry and Broggy were probably the strongest characters we saw at the time with the exception of the obvious ones like Shanks, Dragon Mihawk etc. They destroyed that ridiculous big sea creature, and had the longest duels we knew of at that point, were legendary pirates in their own right, they likely weren't intended to have been weaker then any pre TS villain. The idea of them losing to mr 3 is obviously ridiculous in retrospect, but it was through unfair tactics, not an actual fight.

What Oda did change his mind on though, was how long the manga was supposed to go for. It was originally 5 years, and after that it still wasn't planned to be 30 years.

Hard to say how Croco compares to the current giants tbh. He could simply have a higher bounty due to being tied to major incidents in the new world during the time skip, and the impel down breakout etc, while the Giants weren't bothering anyone before Egghead. I'd say they're probably around the same level though.

 

[sanjikun]

There are few situations where we can compare pre TS to post TS and get an idea of how Oda wants to portray certain individuals. And while bounty scaling is not perfect it does give a general idea specially when it is said to present a power level (over a billion bounty etc.). And this just shows that Oda had plans for characters that he introduced earlier and now wants to bring back because they were taking out of story much earlier.

So this is the comparison that popped up (probably done by others earlier too)
Pre TS
Croc - 81 Mil (Robin had 79 mil and Mr.1 had 75 mil - I dont know when his bounty was given or updated though)
Boa - 80 Mil
Dorry/Broggy - 100 Mil

Post TS (post Wano/Retcon)
Croc - 1,965 Mil
Boa - 1,659 Mil
Dorry/Broggy - 1,800 Mil

The jump in bounties is very high specially when compared to YCs (which has led to stupid power scaling debates). And compared to other Warlords like Doffy (whose defeat gave Law and Luffy 500 mil each) or Jinbe who got 1,100 mil the increase in Boa and Croc is much higher. Oda found a way of increasing the bounties for the Warlords as new bounties/unfrozen and for the giants because of inflation adjustment.

Now the question is that in pre TS/Alabasta Croc seemed much stronger than the giant duo even though they had a higher bounty. For readers at that point the 81 mil bounty of Croc was pretty high considering Luffy had 30 mil. Defeating Croc though gave Luffy a bounty of 100 mil. But now Croc has a bounty which is 10% higher than the giants.

Do you think the difference in power levels would be the same or Croc is even much stronger than the giants compared to the pre TS portrayal?

@nik87 @Shimotsuki Fenaker @mly90 @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Veku @Welkin @grey matter @Xione etc.

Issue is Croc was "frozen". The giants were sort of "frozen" too, but Croc would prob be a bit stronger individually.

But I think both of them together beat Croc comfortably.

 

[Levi]

Anybody he wants to boost he will a lot of weak pre time skip characters are about to return lvls higher than before enel is one of them

 

[barai]

For that reason portrayal is usually more important over feats. Feats will always favor characters that go all out/have full fights or appear later, so anyone Post timeskip and Straw Hat opponents always seem stronger and more impressive than those with limited combat showings, or who had showings Pre-timeskip.

Oda usually always has a portrayal in mind for each character. Someone like Crocodile was always meant to be strong and a big deal in the One Piece world. But based on Alabasta and losing to a pre gear Luffy, if we go strictly by feats Crocodile would just be another overconfident Logia that gets one shot by Pekoms. His Marineford showing is more in line of what his strength really is. It is a sense a "retcon" of sorts, but when later characters meant to be weaker show more impressive feats, Oda will always "fix" those when he brings someone back.

Of course there is always room for interpretation with portrayal and it can be tricky to gauge how strong Oda intends someone to be. Feats, SBS info, panel highlights and things like bounty can help.