My argument is pretty simple, the world as a whole does not know how strong Harald and Loki are, they don't know the facts entirely. This is different from Rayleigh being on the most famous crew and dominating newspapers, meanwhile Harald was cucking himself to the WG and being a waterboy for weaker characters like Sommers and the like, which is the main thing people likely noticed about him,not necessarily his power. Loki beating him did not make global headlines likely, and his piracy career never lasted long enough to be the biggest name on the seas. I think there power is a different story though, imo it seems like Harald was truly on par with the likes of Rocks,who was the strongest pirate at the time of GV.
Gaban seems uninformed on the fruit tbh.
he asks Ja rul if he knew about it, and the fact that he mentions Harald leaving the castle "in that state" seems to imply his worry was about the man who he faced, not a hypothetical where he gets the fruit or something.
Now if Harald showed something above Roger and Primebeard... well it depends on how close you think they were to Gaban, and how important the HK boost is. Imo, as some people have pointed out, it doesn't necessarily make sense for the boost for the Gods Knights to be much worse then DR, and it wasn't emphasized
I would say Oda bringing in a legitimate top tier in Gaban, having him worry for the state of the entire world(beyond even his own fate or his friends, but beyond even Elbaf) implies HK Harald was stronger then any character Gaban had seen in action previously(iirc, Gaban personally never really saw Imu or DR Rocks, so that seems to add up). I mean, it's portrayed as an already very powerful character getting a boost from the final villain through his evil magic powers, I don't really think Roger or WB have any business stopping him in a 1v1. Did you not see how shocked Imu was at what Loki achieved? As far as we saw in the flashback, Imu hasn't reacted like that to any pirate on GV.
It's pretty simple, the OP world is a big place, and he did not go out of his way to clash with the likes of Kaido or Whitebeard. Loki was interested in revenge against Imu for trying to destroy Elbaf, so he likely didn't go out of his way to do many side quests. Though we can't know for sure until we see his time as a pirate, but let's not forget that we see Rocks at the start of his career was capable of killing an admiral. What was he doing before that, and did anyone know how strong he was? Probably not, the OP world is all about word of mouth.
As for Big Mom, yeah she didn't literally say that Loki would in particular, allow her to kill the emperor's, she said the Giants of Elbaf. But imo, it's clear that Loki was the most important part of the plan, let's not forget that he himself is allegedly too much for all of the giants of Elbaf to control anyway.
No dispute on this part, PL is linked to plot.
He's linked to Luffy for sure but imo it's also notable that he's linked to:
Rocks D Xebec, as someone who became the version of Harald that Rocks wanted to partner up with, becoming an anti government pirate and eating the legendary Elbaf fruit that Rocks saw as one of the 2 devil fruits needed to beat Imu
Imu: Loki is likely one of the only characters who can harm them, and Loki got in the way of Imu's plan to take over Elbaf, and Imu pointed out, it was the actions of Loki, that proved his government is incompatible with the giants of Elbaf, fundamentally. Pretty big setup imo.
Gaban seems uninformed on the fruit tbh.
he asks Ja rul if he knew about it, and the fact that he mentions Harald leaving the castle "in that state" seems to imply his worry was about the man who he faced, not a hypothetical where he gets the fruit or something.
Now if Harald showed something above Roger and Primebeard... well it depends on how close you think they were to Gaban, and how important the HK boost is. Imo, as some people have pointed out, it doesn't necessarily make sense for the boost for the Gods Knights to be much worse then DR, and it wasn't emphasized
I would say Oda bringing in a legitimate top tier in Gaban, having him worry for the state of the entire world(beyond even his own fate or his friends, but beyond even Elbaf) implies HK Harald was stronger then any character Gaban had seen in action previously(iirc, Gaban personally never really saw Imu or DR Rocks, so that seems to add up). I mean, it's portrayed as an already very powerful character getting a boost from the final villain through his evil magic powers, I don't really think Roger or WB have any business stopping him in a 1v1. Did you not see how shocked Imu was at what Loki achieved? As far as we saw in the flashback, Imu hasn't reacted like that to any pirate on GV.
It's pretty simple, the OP world is a big place, and he did not go out of his way to clash with the likes of Kaido or Whitebeard. Loki was interested in revenge against Imu for trying to destroy Elbaf, so he likely didn't go out of his way to do many side quests. Though we can't know for sure until we see his time as a pirate, but let's not forget that we see Rocks at the start of his career was capable of killing an admiral. What was he doing before that, and did anyone know how strong he was? Probably not, the OP world is all about word of mouth.
As for Big Mom, yeah she didn't literally say that Loki would in particular, allow her to kill the emperor's, she said the Giants of Elbaf. But imo, it's clear that Loki was the most important part of the plan, let's not forget that he himself is allegedly too much for all of the giants of Elbaf to control anyway.
No dispute on this part, PL is linked to plot.
He's linked to Luffy for sure but imo it's also notable that he's linked to:
Rocks D Xebec, as someone who became the version of Harald that Rocks wanted to partner up with, becoming an anti government pirate and eating the legendary Elbaf fruit that Rocks saw as one of the 2 devil fruits needed to beat Imu
Imu: Loki is likely one of the only characters who can harm them, and Loki got in the way of Imu's plan to take over Elbaf, and Imu pointed out, it was the actions of Loki, that proved his government is incompatible with the giants of Elbaf, fundamentally. Pretty big setup imo.
