Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Rumble]

Sanji is as strong as Zoro and as smart as Nami. He's more valuable than both, and that's without getting into his skill set.

But that's missing the point.

Luffy doesn't recruit people he values for their ability. He recruits them because he thinks they're a good hang.

Dude didn't even try Sanji's food until after he recruited him. Luffy invited him because he saw him feed Gin.

 

[Royal Kick]

Not sure if Sanji is better than Luffy, maybe not even better than Zoro.
The whole point is that, while they all do different things, the Straw Hats are all arguably equally important to eachother. Even Usopp had a moment where he saved his captain and a Warlord from getting turned into toys. Without him the crew would have ended up like every other crew in the New World where they got crushed before they could even see the finish line. He also burnt the flag at Enies Lobby and was the one to encourage Luffy to get up and finish off Lucci.
You might say "But Sanji and Zoro are Luffy's wings!", that's more of a strength thing than just an importance thing. We see no real difference between how Sanji is treated in his own rescue arc and how Robin is treated in her's, for example.

Sanji is a more valuable asset than Zoro. He has comparable strength and on top that, he's an elite chef, he's much smarter, he has superior stealth abilities and he's even more versatile as a fighter. I don't see how Zoro can compete with him in terms of overall usefulness. It's a good thing for Zoro that Sanji ditched the RS because it only made matters worse.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Sanji is a more valuable asset than Zoro. He has comparable strength and on top that, he's an elite chef, he's much smarter, he has superior stealth abilities and he's even more versatile as a fighter. I don't see how Zoro can compete with him in terms of overall usefulness. It's a good thing for Zoro that Sanji ditched the RS because it only made matters worse.

What would've happened if he had to fight Monet instead of Zoro

 

[Doggo]

What would've happened if he had to fight Monet instead of Zoro

What if Sanji didnt have trouble hitting women?

what if what if what if.
Pointless questioning.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

What if Sanji didnt have trouble hitting women?

what if what if what if.
Pointless questioning.

 

[Doggo]

exactly.
so what's the issue?

 

[Doggo]

It's similar to, for instance, asking what would Sanji do against King or Mr1.

I mean....
He would just get the necessary PU to beat them.
It's not rocket science.
Oh, but Monet.
Somebody else would deal with her.
who cares.

 

[Royal Kick]

What would've happened if he had to fight Monet instead of Zoro

Doesn't contradict my point in the slightest. Being more valuable doesn't mean he can do everything Zoro can.

 

[Welkin]

Sanji is a more valuable asset than Zoro. He has comparable strength and on top that, he's an elite chef, he's much smarter, he has superior stealth abilities and he's even more versatile as a fighter. I don't see how Zoro can compete with him in terms of overall usefulness. It's a good thing for Zoro that Sanji ditched the RS because it only made matters worse.

He competes by not being completely useless against an entire gender lol

I think it’s very easy to argue that Sanji’s more useful/valuable than Zoro but the gap isn’t as wide due to Sanji’s weakness

He lets women walk all over him most of the time. That’s a glaring flaw that we’ve seen characters take advantage of multiple times

I love my boy Sanji but it feels very intentional that out of every Strawhat Oda gave him the most plot relevant weakness that also severely hampers him even in serious moments

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

exactly.
so what's the issue?

Doesn't contradict my point in the slightest. Being more valuable doesn't mean he can do everything Zoro can.

This isn't really me berating Sanji for being soft around women, but it shows that every Straw Hat has a weakness to go with their strengths.
And they're written this way just so Oda can make it more believable that everyone in the crew is more or less equally valuable. What Sanji says in that panel comes in to play most in Thriller Bark- Perona was basically fodder without the Negative Hollows, but those alone were enough to make it so even Luffy got neg diffed by her. Meanwhile, Usopp could beat her high diff.
That's just how it is. Every Straw Hat has moments where they do something only they can do, and that ends up helping the crew a LOT in the long run.
No matter who leaves the crew, any one of them leaving would be devastating and the crew couldn't survive without them.
..Except Jinbe. Nobody likes post-WCI Jinbe.

 

[Rumble]

If Sanij had to deal with Monet, the snow would be ineffective or last only a second because his perversion burns hotter.

All Zoro did babysit her and then put her in timeout.

Sanji could have done that instead of lead the G-5 Marines.

 

[Royal Kick]

He competes by not being completely useless against an entire gender lol

I think it’s very easy to argue that Sanji’s more useful/valuable than Zoro but the gap isn’t as wide due to Sanji’s weakness

He lets women walk all over him most of the time. That’s a glaring flaw that we’ve seen characters take advantage of multiple times

I love my boy Sanji but it feels very intentional that out of every Strawhat Oda gave him the most plot relevant weakness that also severely hampers him even in serious moments

That's an exaggeration, it doesn't come into play that often. Only against Kalifa and Black Maria, that's literally it. And there's always someone else who can deal with them, not just Zoro. That'd be more of a handicap if there were female foes that could only be defeated by the M3, but that never happens.

Being useless against an entire gender doesn't mean much in a world where that gender is too weak to be handled by top fighters anyway.

 

[Rumble]

He competes by not being completely useless against an entire gender lol

I think it’s very easy to argue that Sanji’s more useful/valuable than Zoro but the gap isn’t as wide due to Sanji’s weakness

He lets women walk all over him most of the time. That’s a glaring flaw that we’ve seen characters take advantage of multiple times

I love my boy Sanji but it feels very intentional that out of every Strawhat Oda gave him the most plot relevant weakness that also severely hampers him even in serious moments

Sanji's simp shit has also come in pretty clutch.

Spoiler: ch 712

Reiju
Zeff
Gin
Bon Clay
Duval
Kin'emon
Tashigi & G-5 Marines
Viola
Pudding
Germa 66

Sanji wins people over being himself.

He's the only Strawhat beside Luffy that does that on a consistent basis.

 

[Jackteo]

he's more than his combat might

The main issue with Sanji is that his post TS version has not been more than his combat might. No brillian plans, no iconic moments, no engaging solo missions. There is a lot of build up concerning PoL but that is just unfulfilled potential as of today. It's totally fair to compare him with Zoro and be disappointed due to Sanji's poorer performance

 

[Devilbat]

I say all SH are equally important to Luffy, and by an extent, to each other.

Luffy went to save Nami from Arlong. He made Usopp come back. He rescued Robin. He went after Sanji and was on BSOD until Sanji confirmed he wanted back. If Brook, Chopper, Zoro, Franky or Jinbe were suddenly in trouble, he'd do anything for them, too.

As for Sanji and him being useful - from a purely tactical point, well, he is. He cooks, he is smart, he is strong, and he can lead if needed. Is he more useful than other Stawhats? Depends on how you measure usefulness. I'd say they all have their roles, but Oda doesn't always let them fulfill those.

Daml I wish another Mr Prince moment was in the making. I miss smartass Sanji.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's similar to, for instance, asking what would Sanji do against King or Mr1.

I mean....
He would just get the necessary PU to beat them.
It's not rocket science.
Oh, but Monet.
Somebody else would deal with her.
who cares.

(also sorry to beat a dead horse but nobody else had haki to deal with monet besides zoro and luffy lol)

 

[Doggo]

(also sorry to beat a dead horse but nobody else had haki to deal with monet besides zoro and luffy lol)

We could simply not have been classic misogynist Oda and had Tashigi be useful for once.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

We could simply not have been classic misogynist Oda and had Tashigi be useful for once.

Oh yeah he's a hack when it comes to women lol.