Controversial General Political Discussion

[Apollo]

you mistake being anti isolation with neocon maximize military power ideology

This distinction is a fantasy in this situation, since it all leads to the same result. Trump wanted limited strikes and reached out for a ceasefire, but Iran rejected that. They already said any attack will lead to a full-blown conflict which we are seeing now.

https://www.ynetnews.com/opinions-analysis/article/hylyslbfzx

 

[Roo]

This distinction is a fantasy in this situation,

We literally fund Ukraine without toppling the putin regime? What exactly is fantastiscal about that?

since it all leads to the same result. Trump wanted limited strikes and reached out for a ceasefire, but Iran rejected that. They already said any attack will lead to a full-blown conflict which we are seeing now.

https://www.ynetnews.com/opinions-analysis/article/hylyslbfzx

Iran is losing sympathy with the gulf states and other arab allies. If anything this war is backfiring on them. Also I don't buy that Syria and Lybia are alot worse than Gaddafi's and Assad's civil war eras where weapons were being used against civilians. Reminder: Arab states lobbied the UN to stop Gaddafi

 

[Roo]

rife with civil wars ? No , border disputes perhaps.

Africa has a bunch of newer countries and it's a bed rock for civil wars(conflicts)

its a tongue in cheek comment based on your example with china ...... my word you are slow.

I mean I was right, and I didn't even mention the death toll China has when it comes to civil wars. If anything they are the war merchants lmao

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

This distinction is a fantasy in this situation, since it all leads to the same result. Trump wanted limited strikes and reached out for a ceasefire, but Iran rejected that. They already said any attack will lead to a full-blown conflict which we are seeing now.

https://www.ynetnews.com/opinions-analysis/article/hylyslbfzx

I didnt even know trump reached out for a ceasefire . maddest thing is other gulf states are getting hit almost as hard as the zionist. its wreckless.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

isnt the daily politics talk tiring you guys out sometimes?

it's not something we can avoid nowadays

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Africa has a bunch of newer countries and it's a bed rock for civil wars(conflicts)



I mean I was right, and I didn't even mention the death toll China has when it comes to civil wars. If anything they are the war merchants lmao

still inaccurate most have of those who experienced civil war after independence/formation just had one
lost enough people to not try it again.

a smaller subset sudan, congo etc have prolonged wars but that isnt the norm even in the continent.
You werent. china deploying peace keeping troops was seen as a distinct change in foreign policy
for close to 40 years they mostly focused on internal affairs. death toll is another argument though I would agree.

 

[Apollo]

We literally fund Ukraine without toppling the putin regime? What exactly is fantastiscal about that?

Yes, supporting Ukraine to maintain its existence. Its quite different from whats going on with Iran right now. Supporting people fight off a foreign invasion =/= being the foreign invasion.

Iran is losing sympathy with the gulf states and other arab allies. If anything this war is backfiring on them. Also I don't buy that Syria and Lybia are alot worse than Gaddafi's and Assad's civil war eras where weapons were being used against civilians. Reminder: Arab states lobbied the UN to stop Gaddafi

Iran never had any sympathy for Gulf Arabs or vice versa. The goal of striking them is to deter them from keeping the US forces right across the gulf, because they have US bases and the US is striking Iran right now. Iran doesn't care since it sees this as an existential war.

And what the Arab states supported doesn't matter really, they fought a proxy war in Libya after Gaddafi's fall and the country doesn't really exist rn. Its a failed state with open air slave markets and high poverty.

 

[Roo]

Yes, supporting Ukraine to maintain its existence. Its quite different from whats going on with Iran right now. Supporting people fight off a foreign invasion =/= being the foreign invasion.

But that is being anti isolationism. It's not always fight every single war

Iran never had any sympathy for Gulf Arabs or vice versa. The goal of striking them is to deter them from keeping the US forces right across the gulf, because they have US bases and the US is striking Iran right now. Iran doesn't care since it sees this as an existential war.

Their goal is clearly backfiring as they are now joining the war vs Iran. But I'm sure this was always MBS move anyways. He's been itching to get rid of Iran for awhile

Its a failed state with open air slave markets and high poverty.

As opposed to a failed state in a middle of several civil conflicts and on the verge of a genocide? Don't fall for the recent Ghaddafi propaganda, Libya was a failed state years before NATO intervened

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

But that is being anti isolationism. It's not always fight every single war


Their goal is clearly backfiring as they are now joining the war vs Iran. But I'm sure this was always MBS move anyways. He's been itching to get rid of Iran for awhile

As opposed to a failed state in a middle of several civil conflicts and on the verge of a genocide? Don't fall for the recent Ghaddafi propaganda, Libya was a failed state years before NATO intervened

its not really just propaganda, there is a documented difference.
its instability escalated the migrant crisis in the last decade . its hard to envision consequences like that but its possible. will america be ready to take in asylees from iran following these month long attacks . its a valid question

 

[Apollo]

Their goal is clearly backfiring as they are now joining the war vs Iran. But I'm sure this was always MBS move anyways. He's been itching to get rid of Iran for awhile

Lets see what they will do first. I doubt they will significantly do anything, else Iran may just strike the oil refineries. MBS clearly bought into the idea that this will be a Venezuela like situation where USA will finish the job shortly.

As opposed to a failed state in a middle of several civil conflicts and on the verge of a genocide? Don't fall for the recent Ghaddafi propaganda, Libya was a failed state years before NATO intervened

Lol no. It was an autocracy, but it was by no means a failed state. It was the number 1 in human development index in Africa, education and healthcare were free. They completed the world's largest irrigation system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River

I say this as someone with relatives who were in Libya before 2011. Libya is still authoritarian now, but add that there is no security AND poor. Its not comparable.

 

[Roo]

its not really just propaganda, there is a documented difference.

Nah, there's an actual documented rise in pro Ghadafi's post lately

its instability escalated the migrant crisis in the last decade . its hard to envision consequences like that but its possible. will america be ready to take in asylees from iran following these month long attacks . its a valid question

That is true, but so did Syria's during Assad's regime, and also ISIS's rise. The refugee crisis was more than just libya lol.

Regime change always runs the gamble of displacing people, but again sometimes you take the risk when it's the morally correct thing to do.

Lets see what they will do first. I doubt they will significantly do anything, else Iran may just strike the oil refineries. MBS clearly bought into the idea that this will be a Venezuela like situation where USA will finish the job shortly.

Apparently Hezbolla got involved too. Maybe Julani goes for the kill?

Lol no. It was an autocracy, but it was by no means a failed state. It was the number 1 in human development index in Africa, education and healthcare were free. They completed the world's largest irrigation system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River
Brother, one achievement doesn't take away from the fact that the country was falling apart lmao. Why do you think Ghaddafi was toppled to begin with? The first Libya civil war was a thing.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Nah, there's an actual documented rise in pro Ghadafi's post lately

That is true, but so did Syria's during Assad's regime, and also ISIS's rise. The refugee crisis was more than just libya lol.

Regime change always runs the gamble of displacing people, but again sometimes you take the risk when it's the morally correct thing to do.


Apparently Hezbolla got involved too. Maybe Julani goes for the kill?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River
Brother, one achievement doesn't take away from the fact that the country was falling apart lmao. Why do you think Ghaddafi was toppled to begin with? The first Libya civil war was a thing.

pro gaddafi in the sense that they would rather he deal with the migrants within his borders than the unsustainable outpour that came after. Not pro ghadafi in the sense you are thinking of . They still maintain hes an asshole but he was useful in that sense

 

[Reborn]

Donnie wont back down . The media will start viewing Epstein proceeding again.

Only waiting for mid term for the Orange clown to be lame duck president .

If this war goes on and Iran regime change do happen then it might swing votes in favor of Trump.

Iran's hostility towards USA is well known fact. Would it be enough for Trump? Who knows

As I said earlier, during such crisis, many people switch to patriotic identity. Not to mention the recency bias.

Domestically, this war isn't about keeping media away from Epstein files but to influence mid term elections and if Iran surrenders then it favors Trump.

 

[Reborn]

This distinction is a fantasy in this situation, since it all leads to the same result. Trump wanted limited strikes and reached out for a ceasefire, but Iran rejected that. They already said any attack will lead to a full-blown conflict which we are seeing now.

https://www.ynetnews.com/opinions-analysis/article/hylyslbfzx

This is what I was saying yesterday.

US doesn't give a shit about regime and oppression of Iranian people. It's all about it's own strategic interests. The primary reason behind military intervention was nuclear deal.

If trump really thought that Iran is Venezuela 2.0 and killing Khamenei would result into collapse of the regime and make them surrender then he's even dumber than I imagined.

 

[Halyup]

Lets see what they will do first. I doubt they will significantly do anything, else Iran may just strike the oil refineries. MBS clearly bought into the idea that this will be a Venezuela like situation where USA will finish the job shortly.


Lol no. It was an autocracy, but it was by no means a failed state. It was the number 1 in human development index in Africa, education and healthcare were free. They completed the world's largest irrigation system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River

I say this as someone with relatives who were in Libya before 2011. Libya is still authoritarian now, but add that there is no security AND poor. Its not comparable.

Saudi and gulf can't do anything but whine
Iran can end their oil Empire if they do so

 

[Halyup]

This is what I was saying yesterday.

US doesn't give a shit about regime and oppression of Iranian people. It's all about it's own strategic interests. The primary reason behind military intervention was nuclear deal.

If trump really thought that Iran is Venezuela 2.0 and killing Khamenei would result into collapse of the regime and make them surrender then he's even dumber than I imagined.

True
Regime change needs Boots on the ground
Doubt Trump is willing to send Americans in zagros mountains

 

[Midnight Delight]

It was the number 1 in human development index in Africa,

That's not really that impressive

Libya had an agricultural Revolution like 10000 years before most of Africa and benefitted from Roman Phoenician and Islamic advances in technology , meaning it had an edge from the beginning

Then you have a relatively small centralised population and Oil

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

If this war goes on and Iran regime change do happen then it might swing votes in favor of Trump.

Iran's hostility towards USA is well known fact. Would it be enough for Trump? Who knows

As I said earlier, during such crisis, many people switch to patriotic identity. Not to mention the recency bias.

Domestically, this war isn't about keeping media away from Epstein files but to influence mid term elections and if Iran surrenders then it favors Trump.

Regime change requires boots on ground which MAGA voters wont like it.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

If this war goes on and Iran regime change do happen then it might swing votes in favor of Trump.

Iran's hostility towards USA is well known fact. Would it be enough for Trump? Who knows

As I said earlier, during such crisis, many people switch to patriotic identity. Not to mention the recency bias.

Domestically, this war isn't about keeping media away from Epstein files but to influence mid term elections and if Iran surrenders then it favors Trump.

its the opposite
the longer it takes the worse it gets for the administration
more cost, more lives lost, longer time period with an unstable economy


He knows and his intention was obviously a swift resolution.

 

[Reborn]

True
Regime change needs Boots on the ground
Doubt Trump is willing to send Americans in zagros mountains

Regime change requires boots on ground which MAGA voters wont like it.

True but it most likely won't happen. Iran refuse to negotiate until US and Israel back down.

I guess they didn't anticipate Iran to attack US assets all over the region like this.

Infact, this attack will only strengthen Iran's resolve to have Nuclear weapon.

So, if there's no change in regime and Iran doesn't bend it's knee to have a deal, then this entire military campaign would turn out to be an utter embarassment for US.

its the opposite
the longer it takes the worse it gets for the administration
more cost, more lives lost, longer time period with an unstable economy


He knows and his intention was obviously a swift resolution.

Your President is dumb. Iran is no Venezuela.

Infact, this end up uniting Shia communities across the region against USA which I believe will have dangerous consequences in future.