Should Dark Knight Sanji get a temporary threadban after Elbaph is over as punishment?

  • No. He deserves to be perma'ed out of here. Time to purge this place. HAO's next.

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Couldn't care less about Kiringham but he's better than Sommers at least coz that nightmare fruit has a lot of potential.
Anyways some tings stuck out to me over the last few chapters so wanna share.

① Lilith's comments:
- "Energy" is everywhere feel it!
- Fuel is "Passion"

"Passion" seems like a very Sanji type statement so it stuck out to me. Plus this whole energy talk reminded me of the "mother flame" and then Oda's comments about Sanji's abnormal resistance to flame hinting at him setting up something with regards to that so maybe Oda's potentially setting up something here ^^

② Sanji once again using the word "Sin" and passing judgement onto Kiringham
- For the "sin" of ridiculing my crewmate, I'm going to open up a hole in that stupid mask of yours

So Oda is once again leaning into thise theme of "sin" and "judgement" with Sanji.

③ Devil Shiloutte in Chapter 1175 right after Sanji saved Robin
Right after Sanji saved Robin and spoke about the massive roar and shilouette there was a shilouette that looked like a devil.
I know this could be argued as simply being a Domi Revsersi giant and could very well be but iirc the domi-reversi giants are not in the direction of the children, it was the mmas so it felt off to me so maybe that is another foreshadowing.
I also had thoughts about Sanji having some kind of connection with mother flame because Diable Jambe is still not explained.
I don't know why but I have this feeling that Sanji may be the one tanking one of the strongest OP attack thanks to his body. First I was thinking about Dori and Brogi hakoku while in domi reversi form. But now I imagine some sort of attack from a machine used in combination to mother flame as fuel.
 
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Ifrit jambe and diable jambe are just too similar. Without text it's easy to mix them up. They also seem to be used in the same way on the same things. Like using ifrit on fodder like that cat.

Oda needs to give Sanji a new power up that actually looks like a real upgrade. The whole black flame thing at least can't be mixed up.
At best, IJ could have been the new improved version of DJ developed during the TS. Sanji's G4. Wano Sanji deserved much more.

I don't know why but I never wanted Sanji to use Rankyaku more than in Elbaf. Perhaps it was seeing Zoro's Clear Lance for the second time. That thing and the cutting fire technique really hurt
 
Boring
He is just not a entertaining character
Sure that can change but usually oda doesn't offscreen characters he likes so.

Sommers is the only interesting opponent on Elbaf to me so far
Seems like you made up your mind to dislike him no matter what, breh.

He’s barely been on panel, but we know he’s a supremacist with a cool design, busted DF and interesting weapon.

Sanji never gets to fight these types. How is he boring to you already when there’s so little to judge him negatively on?
 
@RayanOO how about a new poll? Maybe whether Sanji gets CoC, or if he gets some sort of PU on Elbaph (PoL? VP upgrades?), or even a poll about what the next poll should be about :optimistic:
He should already have a new Jambe under his sleeve considering his last two IJ uses we're in base. So when he uses his Exoskeleton + armament haki he Will be able to withstand way hotter flames. Hopefully purple flames as a lead up to him using black flames when he masters conquerors coating.
 
Considering Qilingham is a dragon/horse he should be able to fly. Seeing Sanji fight a strong flying opponent his size who is also strong will be great. Also something I want to happen is Qilingham confirming if Sanji used Advanced armament haki in his attack and maybe he is also able to use it. He is the top brass of the WG after all.
If I didn't see wrong, Killingham was already flying mid-air in this chapter.
 
He has been using IJ in base lately though. Look at the latest chapter or when Sanjis and Zoro cut that net when they we're riding the cat.
I addressed that in my next post, I think Oda just forgot to flip the eyebrow. No reason to think he suddenly doesn't need the exo anymore, it would have been treated as a bigger deal and more explicit it that was the case.

As long as Sanji can only use basic CoA and Oda doesn't clearly state he can use IJ without the exo, we should assume he always has the exo on when he uses IJ.
 
Ngl I prefer Sanji fighting a mythical Zoan, we need to see moves like Concasse more often
Considering Qilingham is a dragon/horse he should be able to fly. Seeing Sanji fight a strong flying opponent his size will be great. Also something I want to happen is Qilingham confirming if Sanji used Advanced armament haki in his attack and maybe he is also able to use it. He is the top brass of the WG after all.
He's literally the coolest opponent design wise since Jabra.

Sustained aerial combat being on the table could be a great primer for the seemingly inevitable confrontation between Sanji and Kizaru and - in my mind - Mars.

In Chinese mythology, from which Qilin originate, they are also associated with fire.

Lastly, there's the element of manifesting fears. What Sanji has expressed most fear over is a) losing his emotions, and b) harming women.

Is it just me or does that latter part remind y'all of this?


Rather than Sanji getting DR'd, I could see Killingham manifest a Stealth Black. Perhaps at some point Sanji destroys his mask and we see a Sanji with black hair.
 
I don't think the eyebrow flip is indicative of what Germa upgrades are active.

I think all the Germa upgrades are permanent, but the eyebrow flip indicates a different change.
I think that the eyebrow flip not being indicative of his genes activating is weird writing. Because every time his Exoskeleton has had a Big feat his eyebrows have pointed to the right like his siblings. Like at the end of the Queen fight, against S Shark and every time he used IJ in Egghead and when he uses IJ against the cat.
 
I think that the eyebrow flip not being indicative of his genes activating is weird writing. Because every time his Exoskeleton has had a Big feat his eyebrows have pointed to the right like his siblings. Like at the end of the Queen fight, against S Shark and every time he used IJ in Egghead and when he uses IJ against the cat.
Do you not think it would be weirder for his exoskeleton to be switched on and off?

Sanji's new speed, which also appears to be permanent, is likely owed to his Germa-enhanced strength and muscles allowing his body to move that fast.

I think the eyebrow has more to do with a mental switch that anything else, because the physical changes, which changes Sanji's genetics, are permanent, not toggleable.

I've speculated this before, but I'm certain now we're going to get a scene that cuts to Judge explaining more of the Germa science while Sanji is in a fight. Perhaps while speculating on what Sora did, or as indirect comment on what Power of Love has done to defy his expectations.
 
I addressed that in my next post, I think Oda just forgot to flip the eyebrow. No reason to think he suddenly doesn't need the exo anymore, it would have been treated as a bigger deal and more explicit it that was the case.

As long as Sanji can only use basic CoA and Oda doesn't clearly state he can use IJ without the exo, we should assume he always has the exo on when he uses IJ.
I think that wasnt mistake. With Mistakes like Katakuri being meant to eat the dragón fruit, Oda goes back in the volume releases and fixes it, but to My knowledge when Sanjis broke the cage, his eyebrows pointed to the left like normal Even in the volume release. That shows growth in his armament haki to the point it can Match his exo + haki, it is a good way of showing Sanji getting stronger.
 
Couldn't care less about Kiringham but he's better than Sommers at least coz that nightmare fruit has a lot of potential.
Anyways some tings stuck out to me over the last few chapters so wanna share.

① Lilith's comments:
- "Energy" is everywhere feel it!
- Fuel is "Passion"

"Passion" seems like a very Sanji type statement so it stuck out to me. Plus this whole energy talk reminded me of the "mother flame" and then Oda's comments about Sanji's abnormal resistance to flame hinting at him setting up something with regards to that so maybe Oda's potentially setting up something here ^^

② Sanji once again using the word "Sin" and passing judgement onto Kiringham
- For the "sin" of ridiculing my crewmate, I'm going to open up a hole in that stupid mask of yours

So Oda is once again leaning into thise theme of "sin" and "judgement" with Sanji.

③ Devil Shiloutte in Chapter 1175 right after Sanji saved Robin
Right after Sanji saved Robin and spoke about the massive roar and shilouette there was a shilouette that looked like a devil.
I know this could be argued as simply being a Domi Revsersi giant and could very well be but iirc the domi-reversi giants are not in the direction of the children, it was the mmas so it felt off to me so maybe that is another foreshadowing.
On the point of this recurrent theme of sin & judgement with Sanji in the context of his devil references. Been looking it up and I came across ‘samael’ who sometimes overlaps with Satan in Christian lore & there are some very interesting parallels there with Sanji like:
- referred the left hand of god who acts as a judge, arbiter, prosecutor & executioner
- in the acopolypse of moses, Samael is described as being forged from chains of black and red fire
*this could potentially tie into Sanji's abnormal resistance from flame since birth
- Samael seems to have strong islamic roots that bridge into islamic tradition connecting him to Ifrit
*On this point there seems to be a figure similar to Samael in arabic lore known as "Samum", an arabic fire demon, and it is said that iblis and other demons like Ifrit was created from him (or his fire more specifically). Samum lore is pretty intriguing.

Found this bit particualrly interesting:

Samum is deeply fascinating and honestly one of the most underrated pieces of mythology for this theory. Here's the full breakdown:


What Samum actually is:


Samum derives from the Arabic root s-m-m meaning "to poison" — it is a fire related to demons in ancient Arabic lore and later Islamic beliefs. As a kind of fire, it is also the origin of some kinds of evil spirits, identified with both the fires of hell and the fire of the sun. HandWiki


So right away — poisonous fire. Not regular fire. Not even hellfire exactly. A fire that poisons everything it touches. That's a very specific and distinctive quality.


Its nature is deliberately ambiguous and that's the point:


Islamic scholars debated its exact nature extensively — in one interpretation it is "hot wind which kills", in another "the flame of the fire of the hot wind", in another it is smokeless fire located between the heavens and the veil, and in yet another it is simply the fire of the sun itself. One authority concluded it is "the heart of a flame" — the purest concentrated core of fire rather than fire's outer expression.
 
Do you not think it would be weirder for his exoskeleton to be switched on and off?

Sanji's new speed, which also appears to be permanent, is likely owed to his Germa-enhanced strength and muscles allowing his body to move that fast.

I think the eyebrow has more to do with a mental switch that anything else, because the physical changes, which changes Sanji's genetics, are permanent, not toggleable.

I've speculated this before, but I'm certain now we're going to get a scene that cuts to Judge explaining more of the Germa science while Sanji is in a fight. Perhaps while speculating on what Sora did, or as indirect comment on what Power of Love has done to defy his expectations.
Use Occams Razor dude. Why show Sanjis eyebrows change back to normal after the Queen fight if not to show Sanjis going back to normal? His brothers have always have them pointing to the right but Sanji is different. And His personality hasnt really changed with his eyebrows. He was talking about the Power of love to S Shark and Kizaru with his eyebrows pointing to the right like his brothers. So it MUST show his exo activating.
 
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