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[PuckTheGreat]

It was Ifrit.

You can very clearly see the sparks flowing from the flame.

Oda didn't correct it in volume release, and the eyebrow being flipped is something he does pay attention to.

The only difference is Sanji's mood.

Again it wasn't named so your above claim is conjucture sadly, even if it admittedly does look like Ifrit.
Oda is bloody lazy, could be that he couldn't be arsed to change the above panel coz it wasn't named.
Again, the fact that in the very chapter before that one Sanji is using Ifrit with his eyebrow flipped completely debunks your claim.

Also eyebrow flip is supposed to be an indicator that Sanji is using his germa abiltiies and Ifrit Jambe is something that is born from combining his exoskeleton with armamnet to give his body the durability to withstand the heat of those flames. I get the appeal of "Sanji is now strong enough to use Ifrit without the exoskeleton" but that just makes thing messy without Oda explicitly stating so. Also make it difficult to know when Sanji is using the exoskeleton or not.

For your angle to work Sanji has to comment directly on it maybe with something like "I don't need the exoskeleton anymore"

 

[Doggo]

The only reason we are wasting time on this discussion is because you guys get baited by "sanji needs his strongest mode vs casual zoro attack" when Sanji doesn't operate that way.

Just assume it's all Ifrit Jambe from now on.
Unlike other characters, Sanji doesn't have some sort of "time limit" on his abilities.

 

[kekaro]

The only reason we are wasting time on this discussion is because you guys get baited by "sanji needs his strongest mode vs casual zoro attack" when Sanji doesn't operate that way.

Just assume it's all Ifrit Jambe from now on.
Unlike other characters, Sanji doesn't have some sort of "time limit" on his abilities.

Correct

 

[PuckTheGreat]

The only reason we are wasting time on this discussion is because you guys get baited by "sanji needs his strongest mode vs casual zoro attack" when Sanji doesn't operate that way.

Just assume it's all Ifrit Jambe from now on.
Unlike other characters, Sanji doesn't have some sort of "time limit" on his abilities.

Don't really care about that tbh.
For one Sanji spaming Ifrit can only be a good ting coz it means we are going to be getting something even stronger soon.
That said I do think Oda intended for Sanji to use Ifrit in the latest chapter given the context of Franky and Jimbe using their strongest attacks. So eyebrow will most likely get corrected in the official volume.

 

[kekaro]

Don't really care about that tbh.
For one Sanji spaming Ifrit can only be a good ting coz it means we are going to be getting something even stronger soon.
That said I do think Oda intended for Sanji to use Ifrit in the latest chapter given the context of Franky and Jimbe using their strongest attacks. So eyebrow will most likely get corrected in the official volume.

I feel like rumble is right tho.
Didnt sanjis eyebrows also flip against S-Shark, where he was clearly using DJ and so on or am i misremebering?
I feel like oda doesnt see it as a neccesaity anymore or forgot whatever for using IJ

 

[Hedfi]

It was Ifrit.

You can very clearly see the sparks flowing from the flame.

Oda didn't correct it in volume release, and the eyebrow being flipped is something he does pay attention to.

The only difference is Sanji's mood.

That's a great point. I always assumed the germa modifications could be toggled on and off with a flip of his eyebrow eventhough it was never confirmed as so in the manga as far as I can remember. But what if that's not the case? What if his germa genes are a permanent transformation with the sole exception of his eyebrow for some special reason still to be explained by Oda. The mood swings when his eyebrow switch sides could be a clue like you said.

 

[Rumble]

Again it wasn't named so your above claim is conjucture sadly, even if it admittedly does look like Ifrit.

Y’all choose to be annoying cunts.

 

[Rumble]

So eyebrow will most likely get corrected in the official volume.

It didn’t get corrected last time.

 

[Julius]

I feel like rumble is right tho.
Didnt sanjis eyebrows also flip against S-Shark, where he was clearly using DJ and so on or am i misremebering?
I feel like oda doesnt see it as a neccesaity anymore or forgot whatever for using IJ

Yeah i think thats the case

Eyebrow changing doesnt equal IJ being used, i think it equals Sanji being more edgy to the point it feels weird (like against S-Shark), but obviously its something that doesnt last long cuz we can see him behaving normally in the same scenario as well

Honestly i don't even know what Oda is doing anymore with this eyebrow stuff

 

[kekaro]

Yeah i think thats the case

Eyebrow changing doesnt equal IJ being used, i think it equals Sanji being more edgy to the point it feels weird (like against S-Shark), but obviously its something that doesnt last long cuz we can see him behaving normally in the same scenario as well

Honestly i don't even know what Oda is doing anymore with this eyebrow stuff

I think its a plotpoint, otherwise he wouldnt keep doing it, lets keep paying atention to him like oda said we should in the sbs

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I feel like rumble is right tho.
Didnt sanjis eyebrows also flip against S-Shark, where he was clearly using DJ and so on or am i misremebering?

Don't think he named whether it was Diable or Ifrit against S-Shark iirc but again if he's exoskeleton is active, then he's probably using Ifrit.

I feel like oda doesnt see it as a neccesaity anymore or forgot whatever for using IJ

If Oda doesn't see it as a necessity anymore he'd tell us.
If the argument being made is that Sanji's eyebrows are not flipped in all of the panels of Sanji using Ifrit on Elbaf then fair enuff. Then we can have the argument that Oda is intentionally having him use it without his eyebrows flipped but like I already stated in my reply to Rumble, in the chapter before the very panel he's using as a basis for his argument, Sanji's eyebrows were flipped when he was using Ifrit and it wasn't corrected in the official volumes. So the notion that Oda doesn't see it as a necessity anymore is false.

Also my next question is why are were so obssesed with Sanji using Ifrit without the exoskeleton?
I get that the implication is that his haki got stronger but what exactly does that achieve and how is that better than Sanji using his exoskelton?

Okay Sanji can use Ifrit without his exoskelton, his he going to now forgo the exoskeleton and not use it anymore or is the argument that Sanji can now generate hotter flames if he stacks the exoskeleton on it?

This argument undermines Sanji's exoskeleton and also the development he got on Wano and also makes his whole awakening with seemingly no downsides redundant.

 

[kekaro]

Don't think he named whether it was Diable or Ifrit against S-Shark iirc but again if he's exoskeleton is active, then he's probably using Ifrit.


If Oda doesn't see it as a necessity anymore he'd tell us.
If the argument being made is that Sanji's eyebrows are not flipped in all of the panels of Sanji using Ifrit on Elbaf then fair enuff. Then we can have the argument that Oda is intentionally having him use it without his eyebrows flipped but like I already stated in my reply to Rumble, in the chapter before the very panel he's using as a basis for his argument, Sanji's eyebrows were flipped when he was using Ifrit and it wasn't corrected in the official volumes. So the notion that Oda doesn't see it as a necessity anymore is false.

Also my next question is why are were so obssesed with Sanji using Ifrit without the exoskeleton?
I get that the implication is that his haki got stronger but what exactly does that achieve and how is that better than Sanji using his exoskelton?

Okay Sanji can use Ifrit without his exoskelton, his he going to now forgo the exoskeleton and not use it anymore or is the argument that Sanji can now generate hotter flames if he stacks the exoskeleton on it?

This argument undermines Sanji's exoskeleton and also the development he got on Wano and also makes his whole awakening with seemingly no downsides redundant.

Imo if Oda is going he route of Sanji using Ifrit without his exoskeleton, he will tell us.

I looked up and he uses actually no jambe at all, not visually and not in the attack name either, despite calling one, didnt get corrected in the volume release ither from what i looked up on the quick on the phone but maybe i missed it

 

[kekaro]

Don't think he named whether it was Diable or Ifrit against S-Shark iirc but again if he's exoskeleton is active, then he's probably using Ifrit.


If Oda doesn't see it as a necessity anymore he'd tell us.
If the argument being made is that Sanji's eyebrows are not flipped in all of the panels of Sanji using Ifrit on Elbaf then fair enuff. Then we can have the argument that Oda is intentionally having him use it without his eyebrows flipped but like I already stated in my reply to Rumble, in the chapter before the very panel he's using as a basis for his argument, Sanji's eyebrows were flipped when he was using Ifrit and it wasn't corrected in the official volumes. So the notion that Oda doesn't see it as a necessity anymore is false.

Also my next question is why are were so obssesed with Sanji using Ifrit without the exoskeleton?
I get that the implication is that his haki got stronger but what exactly does that achieve and how is that better than Sanji using his exoskelton?

Okay Sanji can use Ifrit without his exoskelton, his he going to now forgo the exoskeleton and not use it anymore or is the argument that Sanji can now generate hotter flames if he stacks the exoskeleton on it?

This argument undermines Sanji's exoskeleton and also the development he got on Wano and also makes his whole awakening with seemingly no downsides redundant.

As for the rest i dont really care about the Power scaling aspect, i just think the germa/eyebrowthing is just seperated and is gonna be use for other plotpoint and not neccesairly using IJ so i think it would be good to get "confirmatioN" on that

 

[Rumble]

The only reason we are wasting time on this discussion is because you guys get baited by "sanji needs his strongest mode vs casual zoro attack" when Sanji doesn't operate that way.

I was right the last time.

Some of y'all make it obvious your views and opinions are heavily informed by noise.

Y'all are frauds that can't stand on your own reading of the facts.

It's why so many of you dickheads in this thread still buy into narratives that suggest daylight between Zoro and Sanji and downplays the latter's opponents.

You bitches lack confidence in your capacity. Disgusting.

A lot of y'all are insecure as fuck because you spent years accepting the framing of disingenuous cunts, so now you freak out over the littlest shit.

Literally two chapters before this unnamed IJ attack - like that fucking matters - Sanji used IJ alongside Luffy using G4 and Zoro using a beefed up version of Tatsumaki.

Instead of putting two and two together on what level of technique Zoro must have used with his unnamed attack, you freak out.

Y'all can't help but endlessly pick at your insecurities like scabs and it's fucking annoying.

 

[Rumble]

I looked up and he uses actually no jambe at all, not visually and not in the attack name either, despite calling one, didnt get corrected in the volume release ither from what i looked up on the quick on the phone but maybe i missed it

Compare and contrast.

I think the flip is indicative of heightened emotions, for good or bad.

We saw Sanji angrily manhandling S-Shark on his own while his crewmates were going 2v1.

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The flip only happened when Sanji protected Nami and latter Bonney. Both times he seemed rather calm.

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When he attacked Nusjuro, his eyebrow was back to normal.

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He tanked his horse bite without the eyebrow flipped also. In fact, it didn't seem to do any damage at all.

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[PuckTheGreat]

I looked up and he uses actually no jambe at all, not visually and not in the attack name either, despite calling one, didnt get corrected in the volume release ither from what i looked up on the quick on the phone but maybe i missed it

Yh that's why I said it wasn't named ^^
Computes with what I initially thought.
Technique name implies low heat being used though. Hence why I think there are no visible flames.

 

[Rumble]

Look at the flip in this particular page.

Sanji blasts the fuck out of S-Shark.

Attends to Nami.

Then turns demonic to express his rage.

Again, the main difference between Sanji using Ifrit in 1127 and 1129 is his mood.

 

[kekaro]

Compare and contrast.

Yh that's why I said it wasn't named ^^
Computes with what I initially thought.
Technique name implies low heat being used though. Hence why I think there are no visible flames.

I guess we will see. So far the only thing i recognize that is clear is that its seems a indicator for his germa genes to activate, cause oda, as opposed to the IJ, what oda did so far consistently do is activating it doing very impressive defensive feats (No selling Kizarus laser beam and S-Sharks Fishman karate attack, Tanking pissjuros attack isn ot impressive blud cant even fish off giants)
Both of you made good points tho

The only thing like i said im speculating is its probally a plot point or oda didnt would bother post-wano to draw it cause he is lazy

 

[PuckTheGreat]

@Rumble
Why are we ignoring the logical argument in front of us for something so speculative like mood?
So the argument is that when Sanji is angry his eyebrows are not flipped but when he's calm his eyebrows are flipped?
What even is the point of that? and was Sanji not angry when he beat the shite out of Queen for hurting a woman or when he saved Nami from the Cat/Lion alongside the M3 at the begining of the arc?

 

[Rumble]

I guess we will see. So far the only thing i recognize that is clear is that its seems a indicator for his germa genes to activate

@Rumble
Why are we ignoring the logical argument in front of us for something so speculative like mood?
So the argument is that when Sanji is angry his eyebrows are not flipped but when he's calm his eyebrows are flipped?
What even is the point of that? and was Sanji not angry when he beat the shite out of Queen for hurting a woman or when he saved Nami from the Cat/Lion alongside the M3 at the begining of the arc?

What is logical about Sanji's genetic modifications having a one and off switch?

There is no logic to it.

More importantly, there is no evidence for it.

I posted the panels multiple times. Sanji demonstrated the same kind of speed and resilience without the flip.

You're the ones going off conjecture and feeling, not evidence.

Perhaps y'all just want to believe Sanji can dog walk a Seraphim without "turning on" those enhancements while his captain and counterpart are faring considerable worse in 2v1s.

It's a nice thought, but that's all it likely is.

Sanji has been in a heightened emotional state every time the flips happen. That doesn't mean anger and only anger.

He hasn't been in a heightened emotional state every time he demonstrated the speed or exoskeleton.

I think the flip is indicative of heightened emotions, for good or bad.

We saw Sanji angrily manhandling S-Shark on his own while his crewmates were going 2v1.

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The flip only happened when Sanji protected Nami and latter Bonney. Both times he seemed rather calm.

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When he attacked Nusjuro, his eyebrow was back to normal.

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He tanked his horse bite without the eyebrow flipped also. In fact, it didn't seem to do any damage at all.

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I don't know where you get off accusing me of ignoring shit when I'm the only one in this thread looking at the entirety of context, not cherry-picking what suits me.