Controversial Should Whitebeard have been in the generation before Roger's, Garp's and the Rocks Pirates?

[Dettles]

Especially Pre Timeskip when Whitebeard was given the title of "World's Strongest Man". the other thing was constantly stated was that Whitebeard was Old and Ill.

Even visually Whitebeard looked older than Garp and Sengoku despite actually being Younger than them. obviously his illness was a factor in that. But Do you think Whitebeard would have felt better if he was from the generation before Roger's and Garp's? closer to Kong's age.

Have him more of a monolithic figure in the New World. and instead of being in the Rocks Pirates we could have done his own thing?

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

It would be nicer, no doubt. Whitebeard was always a different kind of pirate, apparently he never had a magnificent goal, so it would make sense if he was a "protector" taking care of his family (trying to prevent them from living a tough childhood as his own), eventually squaring off against the likes of Xebec, Garp and Roger (and maybe others from older generations). But I guess Oda had to build up Xebec as a massive legend, so he could't spare the poor old oyagi... he had to be tied with the Rocks Pirates and be used as a hypetool.

 

[Dragon777]

If he was old by a generation, he would have been Rocks (and king of Harald's) generation.

But yeah, ideally maybe between the two.

 

[Chiji_]

I figured he’s the strongest man because in his prime he equaled Roger and when he died there was no pirate left to equal him, he was a yonko yes but he was considered king of the sea and if he wanted One Piece nothing is stopping him.

 

[comrade]

Would have sufficed, had Whitebeard not been an errand boy but a pirate of equal reputation, carrying the era along with Roger, Xebec and Garp. This is what I would have expected given the aura Whitebeard had upon his introduction and actions pre TS.

 

[Rumble]

Oda writes his legendary pirates in pairs.

Roger and Whitebeard
Rocks and Harald
Big Mom and Kaidou
Shanks and Mihawk
Luffy and Loki

Possibly Joyboy and Davy Jones, for all we now.

Even less prolific pirates come in pairs like Rayleigh and Gaban, Shiki and Silver Axe, Law and Kid, and Zoro and Sanji.

Roger and WB don't have that big an age gap.

 

[Dragon777]

Roger and Garp were much more of a pair.
Wich is totally right anyway.

WB has always had a different route.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I kind of like him being the yin to Roger's yang in a way.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

I don't have any issue with WB being under rocks tbh but he should have been a separate pirate alongside rocks and roger.

 

[Dragon777]

I too don't have any isse with WB being under Rocks. The opposite in fact.

The problem was Roger and Garp being on their own already.

 

[Yoho]

I always thought it would be more interesting if Rocks was from an older generation and Roger looked up to him

 

[Dragon777]

I always thought it would be more interesting if Rocks was from an older generation and Roger looked up to him

Rocks Is from an older gen.

Though not that older (+10/15 years).

 

[Rumble]

I always thought it would be more interesting if Rocks was from an older generation and Roger looked up to him

Rocks Is from an older gen.

Though not that older (+10/15 years).

Rocks belonged to the same generation as Garp and Roger.

Garp was only ~1 year older than Roger.

Rocks was probably the oldest but not by much.

Harald was 120 years old at the time of GV, which is 40 in human years. Garp was 40. Roger was 39. Rocks was probably 40 or older.

 

[Dragon777]

Rocks belonged to the same generation as Garp and Roger.

Garp was only ~1 year older than Roger.

Rocks was probably the oldest but not by much.

Marijoa was 56 years ago.
If Roger was alive now, he would be 77, meaning at the time he was 21.

I don't want to sound rude, but anyone who looks at Rocks's face and thinks he was 20 or near 20, I honestly think is in dire need of a pair of glasses:

For reference, this was WB at 26, so actually older:

Rocks was at least 30 at Marijoa (56 years ago). And that's conservative.

 

[Rumble]

Marijoa was 56 years ago.
If Roger was alive now, he would be 77, meaning at the time he was 21.

I don't want to sound rude, but anyone who looks at Rocks's face and thinks he was 20 or near 20, I honestly think is in dire need of a pair of glasses:

For reference, this was WB at 26, so actually older:

Rocks was at least 30 at Marijoa (56 years ago). And that's conservative.

You're arguing on the basis of characters looking their age? Buddy, it's One Piece.

The narrator unambiguously groups Rocks, Roger and Garp as having blood still burning with "the passion of youth" 6 years before GV. There is no room for argument in that statement that they weren't very close in age.

This revelation comes in the same arc that explicitly calls attention to the manner in which giants age.

Roger, Garp and Harald were 39 to 40 in human years. Rocks is explicitly linked in age to 2/3.

Do you really need it spelled out Rocks was roughly that age? Denying it just reads as wishful thinking and stubborn attachment to headcanon/preference.

 

[Dragon777]

Do you really need it spelled out Rocks was roughly that age? Just reads as wishful thinking and stubborn attachment to headcanon/preference.

Sure, how silly of me to do something as looking as the fucking manga and asking others to do the same .

Rookie move here on WG.

Anyway, having posted the proofs of Rocks clearly not looking 20 at Marijoa, I have done what I could.
I could also post the proof of Rocks era being before Roger's, which was stated, but again.

That's why when Rocks was around storming Marijoa, Roger was doing... Nothing.

*Anyway, in OP the prime of most characters is around 45-50 YO, so nothing strage here again.

 

[Rumble]

Sure, how silly of me to do something as looking as the fucking manga and asking others to do the same

Rookie move here on WG.

Anyway, having posted the proofs of Rocks clearly not looking 20 at Marijoa, I have done what I could.

The irony of this statement when you want to sidestep the fact the NARRATOR in 1156 leaves no argument for your entirely arbitrary arguments.

I could also post the proof of Rocks era being before Roger's, which was stated, but again.

That proves nothing beside the fact Rocks was more notorious, which we already know and have the context for.

Rocks was notorious for what he did to the WG and its interest. We don't know what Roger was up to, but we know he was interested in dominating others or victimising innocent people.

That's why when Rocks was around storming Marijoa, Roger was doing... Nothing.

Not only is the baseless, it also proves nothing. We do know the narrator ALSO implies they fought plenty of times at sea.

Spoiler: ch 1158

*Anyway, in OP the prime of most characters is around 45-50 YO, so nothing strage here again.

Oda allowing legendary figures to have their primes in their 50s doesn't mean he also considers them youthful in their 40s. That's an absurd leap of logic on your part.

Rocks could have been 45, but he was likely as anywhere from 39 to 44, depending on which of his most notably rivalries Oda wanted to mirror:
Roger/Garp - 1yr difference
Roger/Whitebeard - 3yr difference
Shanks/Mihawk - 4yr difference

Given the centrality of the Roger/Garp rivalry and the fact Harald was ~120 at the time, i.e. the same age as Garp by human standards, it's entirely possible Rocks was 39~40 to Harald's 40~41.

 

[Dragon777]

The irony of this statement when you want to sidestep the fact the NARRATOR in 1156 leaves no argument for your entirely arbitrary arguments.

Again, evading simply looking at pictures, the most direct proof we can have lol.

That proves nothing beside the fact Rocks was more notorious, which we already know and have the context for.

Rocks was notorious for what he did to the WG and its interest. We don't know what Roger was up to, but we know he was interested in dominating others or victimising innocent people.

Yeah, because guess what: Roger (and Garp) GREW UP and in the menatime stated doing things, while that was Rocks' era only, who being older had started before them :

"The era of Rocks".

But I know Wg is the reign of cope, so not even this clear proof would dissuade, probably.

Not only is the baseless, it also proves nothing. We do know the narrator ALSO implies they fought plenty of times at sea.

Sure, let's give Roge things he hasn't done (and the narrator confirmed he hasn't) just because doing so you can still cope .

Also, sure he fought Xebec: Xebec was the big bad of his era and Roger started to fight him lol. "Rocks era", again.

Oda allowing legendary figures to have their primes in their 50s doesn't mean he also considers them youthful in their 40s. That's an absurd leap of logic on your part.

Again wondering if people actually read the manga.

In the worst generation, the new gen according to the entire world, we had a 47-year-old and a 40-year-old.

Not to mention plenty of other examples.

 

[Rumble]

Again, evading simply looking at pictures lol.

This is blatant projection on your part.

eah, because guess what: Roger (and Garp) GREW UP and in the menatime stated doing things, while that was Rocks' era only, who being older had started before them:

Completely illiterate take based on nothing but headcanon.

Sure, let's give Roge things he hasn't done (and the narrator confirmed he hasn't) just because doing so you can still cope

Roger and Rocks literally butted heads on sight. The narrator tells you all bets were off at sea.


Are you retarded for sport or something?

Also, sure he fought Xebec: Xebec was the big bad of his era and Roger started to fight him lol. "Rocks era", again.

Not only does this not mean anything in regard to age, Rocks was the big bad because of his criminality and overt threat to the WG.

Again wondering if people actually read the manga.

In the worst generation, the new gen according to the entire world, we had a 47-year-old and a 40-year-old.

Not to mention plenty of other examples.

You have zero credibility.

Worst Generation has to do with pirate CAREERS, not the age they start them at, you complete fucking moron.

Blackbeard was an unknown. Bege was in organised crime. Urouge has his priesthood.

There's no way this is performative, you just are that stupid.

 

[Dragon777]

This is blatant projection on your part.

Not really, just answering to your blatant cope.

Again, use your eyes at least, brain not required: anyone who looks at Rocks's face and thinks he was 20 or near 20, is in dire need of a pair of glasses:

For reference, this was WB at 26, so actually older:

Rocks was at least 30 at Marijoa (56 years ago). And that's conservative.

Completely illiterate take based on nothing but headcanon.

Lol, now even when the manga states "Rocks era", it isn't canon.

Roger and Rocks literally butted heads on sight. The narrator tells you all bets were off at sea.


Are you retarded for sport or something?

I am starting to asking myself the same thing: are you retarded lol?

They fought; nothing about Roger being the same age of Xebec was even said . Not to mention, it was said the opposite in fact.

Worst Generation has to do with pirate CAREERS, not the age they start them at, you complete fucking moron.

Blackbeard was an unknown. Bege was in organised crime. Urouge has his priesthood.

There's no way this is performative, you are just are that stupid.

Seriously LOL?

While clearly not reading this manga, you also never even... felt that the worst gen was actually growing LOL? They grow as Roger grew from GV to his prime, as Xebec did, as Garp did, etc.

Really, getting owned does nasty things to people. Instead of taking your L, you kept on with EVEN MORE retarded cope, shockingly.