Powers & Abilities Debunking Literally Every Argument Against Ryokugyu’s Black Blade UPDATE: Remembering The Fallen
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To be honest, trolling aside, I can understand the ones saying that he didn't forge it. One can agree or don't, but it's a viable option anyway.
The ones saying the thing looks exactly like a BB, but somehow Isn't are beyond me though.
I almost lost the count of the cope:
1) Oda's error in 1053
2) Oda's error again when the 1054 came out
3) when the volume came out and nothing was changed, the cope was "but it's not really black, It Brown, green, whatever"
4) like 4 different official colorings came out in the span of year, with the sword obviously being black --> "nah, still not black blade. Still wooden sword, grass cutter or whatever"
The ones saying the thing looks exactly like a BB, but somehow Isn't are beyond me though.
I almost lost the count of the cope:
1) Oda's error in 1053
2) Oda's error again when the 1054 came out
3) when the volume came out and nothing was changed, the cope was "but it's not really black, It Brown, green, whatever"
4) like 4 different official colorings came out in the span of year, with the sword obviously being black --> "nah, still not black blade. Still wooden sword, grass cutter or whatever"
You are are trying to tell me my own position based on a conversation we never had lol. Not sure why you believe this is more than a waste of time.
Did she? Lol pretty great if so
He is called the Ultimate Power. That was literally the title of chapter 320.
Luffy's punches did zero damage and he managed to completely stop Luffy's strongest attack. Which, I dunno, maybe you were reading before Gears or Haki? It sounds like y'all don't have any respect for the pre time skip characters.
But even then, knowing what we know about Haki, those feats could be assumed to be armament and observation. The series hasn't shown Aokiji to lack anything so far other than CoC.
It's funny you say "would have been clowned mercilessly" because here you are, trying to call shenanigans on someone who placed Aokiji high from the rip. There's also some woodsman related to this thread but idk
If it makes you feel better, he's not Garp's equal.
This part goes in circles because we only have Mihawk and Ryuma confirmed. There is no assumption possible that less than the very best can figure it out.
Luffy and Coby are both students of Garp, too.
Did she? Lol pretty great if so
He is called the Ultimate Power. That was literally the title of chapter 320.
Luffy's punches did zero damage and he managed to completely stop Luffy's strongest attack. Which, I dunno, maybe you were reading before Gears or Haki? It sounds like y'all don't have any respect for the pre time skip characters.
But even then, knowing what we know about Haki, those feats could be assumed to be armament and observation. The series hasn't shown Aokiji to lack anything so far other than CoC.
It's funny you say "would have been clowned mercilessly" because here you are, trying to call shenanigans on someone who placed Aokiji high from the rip. There's also some woodsman related to this thread but idk
If it makes you feel better, he's not Garp's equal.
With Ryokugyu and the black blade, there is no reason to assume he wouldn’t achieve one, because achieving a black blade does not require a master who also achieved one so far as we know. The black blade feat isn’t exclusive to just one person, even before Ryokugyu there were at least three black blades that Oda showed/hinted at (Shusui, Yoru, and the conceptual black blade drawn)
It’s like Mihawk said, anyone can achieve a black blade theoretically, so Ryokugyu achieving one is not unbelievable at all.
It’s like Mihawk said, anyone can achieve a black blade theoretically, so Ryokugyu achieving one is not unbelievable at all.
Luffy and Coby are both students of Garp, too.
Yeah, because no one has even said or thought Admirals weren't monsters phisically, as all top tiers.
That doesn't equate to any CQC style.
Not even that in fact:
I am not pulling any shenaninags on someone putting Aokiji high enough: I'm point out that anyone would have been clowned to no end if tried to push that Aokiji was a brawler and still never threw a punch in MF.
I rate Akainu highly, I have no problems with people saying Akainu = Roger or Xebec, but if they said Akainu's swordsmanship = Xebec's or Roger's , then yes, I would laugh at It.
That doesn't equate to any CQC style.
Not even that in fact:
I am not pulling any shenaninags on someone putting Aokiji high enough: I'm point out that anyone would have been clowned to no end if tried to push that Aokiji was a brawler and still never threw a punch in MF.
I rate Akainu highly, I have no problems with people saying Akainu = Roger or Xebec, but if they said Akainu's swordsmanship = Xebec's or Roger's , then yes, I would laugh at It.
Yeah, because no one has even said or thought Admirals weren't monsters phisically, as all top tiers.
That doesn't equate to any CQC style.
Not even that in fact:
I am not pulling any shenaninags on someone putting Aokiji high enough: I'm point out that anyone would have been clowned to no end if tried to push that Aokiji was a brawler and still never threw a punch in MF.
I rate Akainu highly, I have no problems with people saying Akainu = Roger or Xebec, but if they said Akainu's swordsmanship = Xebec's or Roger's , then yes, I would laugh at It.
That doesn't equate to any CQC style.
Not even that in fact:
I am not pulling any shenaninags on someone putting Aokiji high enough: I'm point out that anyone would have been clowned to no end if tried to push that Aokiji was a brawler and still never threw a punch in MF.
I rate Akainu highly, I have no problems with people saying Akainu = Roger or Xebec, but if they said Akainu's swordsmanship = Xebec's or Roger's , then yes, I would laugh at It.
Pheasant, Dog, and Monkey were designed as clear equals. Yes their fruits are high tier and yes they may also make logia weapons, but by Marineford it was impossible to argue that they can't fight melee with some of the best.
I saw someone mention Jozu hit him like... that mf lost his arm like a page later lol. Man to man, without his fruit against old Garp, he's probably an extreme diff or whatever you'd call it. That should be more than reasonable to assume before they fought.
Like I get that the dig used to be how little he's on panel, but now that we have a current bounty to explain that he's above Shanks there's literally no skill level that can fw him. They need a new argument.
Anyway, these clowns are arguing with the voices in their heads.
Oda’s rule with swordsmen is that he always depicts their swordsmanship in the fights they have:
• Hacchi showed his swordsmanship
• Ryuma showed his swordsmanship
• Fujitora showed his swordsmanship
• Roger showed his swordsmanship
• Oden showed his swordsmanship
• Rayleigh showed his swordsmanship
• King showed his swordsmanship
Etc.
Any swordsman has always shown his swordsmanship in the clashes or fights he participates in, which Oda uses to hype them.
Now you have Admiral GB with a Kokuto, and he has already been in fights against:
• King and Queen
• Fujitora
• Morley
• Momo and his friends
Yet not a single instance of swordsmanship skills. These mfs believe in something that doesn’t exist, even though they know for a fact that Oda always prioritizes narrative above everything else. This is shown by the fact that he makes retcons to solidify his narrative, not once or twice.
Now let’s answer these questions:
• If GB forged a black blade, what would even be its purpose in the grand scheme of the story?
When I read most of the admirals fans’s answers, I noticed they don’t even believe he is a Zoro opponent. So how the hell do you think someone who isn’t even meant to fight Zoro would have forged a black blade?
In other words, there isn’t even a narrative reason to support GB forging one or to make it relevant to the plot.
I can compare Black Blades to VOAT, to be specific.
Not just any random character would be given VOAT if they aren’t related to Luffy or meant to help him in the future. Can you imagine Lucci or Kaku having VOAT? How would them having it help Luffy in any way?
It doesn’t make sense overall, because there is no narrative that would support it.
This is the same case with GB forging a black blade. There’s no narrative that supports it except the cope, imagination, and the assumption that Oda would hand out a free power-up that isn’t connected to the main plot.
Even Aokiji being shown as a brawler had a narrative explanation. He accompanied Garp for a long time, as shown many times, and it was further solidified through Koby, who is also Garp’s disciple. Oda was clearly comparing the old disciple with the new one, showing that Koby will surpass both through his hard training in the future.
• “GB didn’t forge the black blade, he just has one.”
The same issue applies here: there is still no narrative reason for that either.
Oda’s rule with swordsmen is that he always depicts their swordsmanship in the fights they have:
• Hacchi showed his swordsmanship
• Ryuma showed his swordsmanship
• Fujitora showed his swordsmanship
• Roger showed his swordsmanship
• Oden showed his swordsmanship
• Rayleigh showed his swordsmanship
• King showed his swordsmanship
Etc.
Any swordsman has always shown his swordsmanship in the clashes or fights he participates in, which Oda uses to hype them.
Now you have Admiral GB with a Kokuto, and he has already been in fights against:
• King and Queen
• Fujitora
• Morley
• Momo and his friends
Yet not a single instance of swordsmanship skills. These mfs believe in something that doesn’t exist, even though they know for a fact that Oda always prioritizes narrative above everything else. This is shown by the fact that he makes retcons to solidify his narrative, not once or twice.
Now let’s answer these questions:
• If GB forged a black blade, what would even be its purpose in the grand scheme of the story?
When I read most of the admirals fans’s answers, I noticed they don’t even believe he is a Zoro opponent. So how the hell do you think someone who isn’t even meant to fight Zoro would have forged a black blade?
In other words, there isn’t even a narrative reason to support GB forging one or to make it relevant to the plot.
I can compare Black Blades to VOAT, to be specific.
Not just any random character would be given VOAT if they aren’t related to Luffy or meant to help him in the future. Can you imagine Lucci or Kaku having VOAT? How would them having it help Luffy in any way?
It doesn’t make sense overall, because there is no narrative that would support it.
This is the same case with GB forging a black blade. There’s no narrative that supports it except the cope, imagination, and the assumption that Oda would hand out a free power-up that isn’t connected to the main plot.
Even Aokiji being shown as a brawler had a narrative explanation. He accompanied Garp for a long time, as shown many times, and it was further solidified through Koby, who is also Garp’s disciple. Oda was clearly comparing the old disciple with the new one, showing that Koby will surpass both through his hard training in the future.
• “GB didn’t forge the black blade, he just has one.”
The same issue applies here: there is still no narrative reason for that either.
