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This war has a good chance of ending with America being kicked out of the middle east since the initial plan failed though.
Trump has two options now that regime change is not longer on the table :
-Making an actual deal with Iran, which would be conceding defeat.
-Full scale mobilization, a force of at least one million to invade and occupy Iran (a mountainous country 3 times the size of texas with a population of 90 million) with uge amount of casualties among american soldiers and trillion spent. But I'm not sure americans would be willing to accept this.
People are on mistaken on Iran, it's not a mere tinpot dictatorship where everything can be fixed through assassination or air campaign. Neither America nor Israel can win a pain tolerance contest with Shia, twelver Shia of all people. Self-flagellation, penance and martyr sainthood are things they embrace. You add an extremely strong nationalism component to it and you will even get liberal iranians from Tehran that were part of the protest figthing for the motherland if invaded.
Old planes and tanks can be destroyed that it wouldn't change much to what would happen on the ground, Iran is a master of low cost warfare and mass produce drones that massively changed the meta of the modern warfare. (One should take a look at the Ukrainian war).
Trump has two options now that regime change is not longer on the table :
-Making an actual deal with Iran, which would be conceding defeat.
-Full scale mobilization, a force of at least one million to invade and occupy Iran (a mountainous country 3 times the size of texas with a population of 90 million) with uge amount of casualties among american soldiers and trillion spent. But I'm not sure americans would be willing to accept this.
People are on mistaken on Iran, it's not a mere tinpot dictatorship where everything can be fixed through assassination or air campaign. Neither America nor Israel can win a pain tolerance contest with Shia, twelver Shia of all people. Self-flagellation, penance and martyr sainthood are things they embrace. You add an extremely strong nationalism component to it and you will even get liberal iranians from Tehran that were part of the protest figthing for the motherland if invaded.
Old planes and tanks can be destroyed that it wouldn't change much to what would happen on the ground, Iran is a master of low cost warfare and mass produce drones that massively changed the meta of the modern warfare. (One should take a look at the Ukrainian war).
Regime change was never USA goal.
People and media assumed USA is trying to overthrow regime to save Iranian people but they were being naive.
US sees Iran's nuclear programme as a massive threat.
I mean Iran is a country which frequently chanted "Death to America" in speeches and in rallies and they are doing so from past 40 years.
A nuclear Iran would be a nightmare for USA and with Trump in power, his goal has been clear - a nuclear deal which restricts Iran's capabilities.
And, it's not just US which fears it - Nato, Middle East and West Asian nations fear this as well.
The war was not about regime change but to pressure Iran to get the deal as US wants.
However, US made two strategic miscalculations.
1) Didn't anticipate impact of Shahed drones to this extent and Iran to unite with firm resolve after Khamenei's death.
2) Didn't expect Iran to leverage Hormuz and thus US didn't try to take over the route - this is evident from how lack of planning and resources in the first week of the war
Now, goal isn't just to get the deal.
It's also to cripple Iran's conventional military capabilities and the damages you are seeing in Iran can push Iran decades back if continues.
And, US is achieving this goal.
I mean if you look at past one week events - then Iran is being defensive and desperate to end the war by leveraging Hormuz and attack on Gulf oil infrastructure to pressure World and US to ceasefire without losing it's own face.
Iran has done nothing much to US in return. It's naive to think Iran even has upper hand here.
US is war economy. It fuckn thrives in such situations.
And, people are overlooking one key fact here - USA hasn't even got serious enough. Hasn't even started flexing itself.
Doubt so
Can Iran sustain for 2 months with food shortages and no money flowing? Doubt so
World won't drag it either as 2 months of disruption of Hormuz might push global economy into recession which most likely even US doesn't want to see.
People and media assumed USA is trying to overthrow regime to save Iranian people but they were being naive.
US sees Iran's nuclear programme as a massive threat.
I mean Iran is a country which frequently chanted "Death to America" in speeches and in rallies and they are doing so from past 40 years.
A nuclear Iran would be a nightmare for USA and with Trump in power, his goal has been clear - a nuclear deal which restricts Iran's capabilities.
And, it's not just US which fears it - Nato, Middle East and West Asian nations fear this as well.
The war was not about regime change but to pressure Iran to get the deal as US wants.
However, US made two strategic miscalculations.
1) Didn't anticipate impact of Shahed drones to this extent and Iran to unite with firm resolve after Khamenei's death.
2) Didn't expect Iran to leverage Hormuz and thus US didn't try to take over the route - this is evident from how lack of planning and resources in the first week of the war
Now, goal isn't just to get the deal.
It's also to cripple Iran's conventional military capabilities and the damages you are seeing in Iran can push Iran decades back if continues.
And, US is achieving this goal.
I mean if you look at past one week events - then Iran is being defensive and desperate to end the war by leveraging Hormuz and attack on Gulf oil infrastructure to pressure World and US to ceasefire without losing it's own face.
Iran has done nothing much to US in return. It's naive to think Iran even has upper hand here.
US is war economy. It fuckn thrives in such situations.
And, people are overlooking one key fact here - USA hasn't even got serious enough. Hasn't even started flexing itself.
Doubt so
Can Iran sustain for 2 months with food shortages and no money flowing? Doubt so
World won't drag it either as 2 months of disruption of Hormuz might push global economy into recession which most likely even US doesn't want to see.
I think you are talking about "missile cities"
Obviously, air strikes aren't enough but US doesn't want troops on ground to destroy these cities completely or do regime change.
Too costly.
By destroying launches, production units, storage units and increasing economic costs due to war and sanctions, US can cripple Iran.
Obviously, air strikes aren't enough but US doesn't want troops on ground to destroy these cities completely or do regime change.
Too costly.
By destroying launches, production units, storage units and increasing economic costs due to war and sanctions, US can cripple Iran.
I really hope they all get convicted
https://x.com/i/status/2032489595263197364
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/various/investigation-against-the-mayor-of-crans-montana-vs/91064075
https://x.com/i/status/2032489595263197364
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/various/investigation-against-the-mayor-of-crans-montana-vs/91064075